This week, we host a cultural exchange. Kevin and Casey show off their Canadian paraphernalia to Prime Minister Justin Trudeau, and he shows off what he’s doing to position Canada as a leader in A.I. Then, the OpenAI whistle-blower Daniel Kokotajlo speaks in one of his first public interviews about why he risked almost $2 million in equity to warn of what he calls the reckless culture inside that company.

 

Guests:

• Justin Trudeau, Prime Minister of Canada
• Daniel Kokotajlo, a former researcher in OpenAI’s governance division

 

Additional Reading:

• Securing Canada’s A.I. Advantage
• OpenAI Insiders Warn of a ‘Reckless’ Race for Dominance
• What Aren’t The OpenAI Whistle-Blowers Saying?
• The Opaque Investment Empire Making OpenAI’s Sam Altman Rich

 

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