Fi Glover and Jane Garvey are back at it again with the Fortunately podcast. Their guest this week is columnist Nesrine Malik. Nesrine talks to Fi and Jane about current narratives on political and social issues, how they come about and how they can change. In addition there's surf schools, salads and thoughts on the coming season of mists and mellow fruitfulness.

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