What does the arrival of a COVID vaccine really mean for No.10’s virus strategy? Who’s the real opposition? Cool, calm and perhaps-too-collected Keir Starmer, or the wild men and women of the CRG – the disaster artists formerly known as the ERG? Plus special guest Giles Whittell of Tortoise Media joins us to explain Britain’s national security future and tell us why we should be optimistic about Russians, if not Russia. 

Shout out to @DMReporter for an unbeatable episode title.

• “As soon as we get the vaccine it’s like, Would you like some pernicious lying tribalism to go with your optimism?” – Ian Dunt
• “Britain badly needs a reality check… so I’d actually like to see a cataclysm on 31 December.” – Giles Whittell 
• “Even a deal as bad as this would be good for Remainers, because it gives us what we need to build back.” – Ian Dunt
• “Biden aptly described Brexit as the dog that caught the car, and then the car reversed over the dog.” – Giles Whittell 

Presented by Dorian Lynskey with Ros Taylor and Ian Dunt. Produced by Andrew Harrison. Assistant producers: Jacob Archbold and Jelena Sofronijevic. Audio production by Alex Rees. OH GOD, WHAT NOW? is a Podmasters production.

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