Distance To Empty
Distance To Empty will take its audience deep into the world of ultra-endurance running, with a particular focus on races exceeding 200 miles. Through in-depth interviews with athletes, race organizers and sports scientists, the episodes shed light on the unique challenges and strategies involved in tackling these extreme distances. Tune in and learn what it takes to reach your distance to empty.
Mon, April 14, 2025
Harry Subertas is Flagstaff Bound at the 2025 Cocodona 250
Want to support us? Use code DISTANCE at Janji.com and be sure to select 'podcast' > 'Distance to Empty' on the post purchase "How did you hear about Janji" page. Thank you! Welcome to our Flagstaff Bound series! We'll be hosting this series along with Aravaipa Running in the lead up to the 2025 Cocodona 250. In this episode of Distance to Empty, host Kevin Goldberg and co-host Peter Noyes sit down with Harry Subertas, the reigning champion of the Cocodona 250. They discuss Harry's incredible performance last year, the challenges he faced, and his strategies for the upcoming race. Harry shares insights on the importance of community support, course knowledge, and personal motivation in ultra running. The conversation also touches on the evolution of the Cocodona race and Harry's favorite gear for the event.
Fri, April 11, 2025
Courtney Dauwalter is Flagstaff Bound at the 2025 Cocodona 250
Want to support us? Use code DISTANCE at Janji.com and be sure to select 'podcast' > 'Distance to Empty' on the post purchase "How did you hear about Janji" page. Thank you! Welcome to our Flagstaff Bound series! We'll be hosting this series along with Aravaipa Running in the lead up to the 2025 Cocodona 250. In this episode of Distance to Empty, host Kevin Goldberg and co-host Peter Noyes welcome ultra running legend Courtney Dauwalter to discuss her upcoming participation in the Cocodona 250 race. They explore Courtney's experiences with 200-mile races, the competitive landscape of ultra running, and her unique mindset towards the challenges of long-distance running. The conversation delves into training strategies, the significance of the pain cave, and the anticipation of the race course, culminating in a light-hearted discussion about race day expectations and crew dynamics.
Wed, April 09, 2025
Allison Powell is Flagstaff Bound at the 2025 Cocodona 250
Want to support us? Use code DISTANCE at Janji.com and be sure to select 'podcast' > 'Distance to Empty' on the post purchase "How did you hear about Janji" page. Thank you! Welcome to our Flagstaff Bound series! We'll be hosting this series along with Aravaipa Running in the lead up to the 2025 Cocodona 250. In this episode of Flagstaff Bound, host Kevin Goldberg and co-host Peter Noyes welcome ultra runner Alison Powell, who shares her unique approach to the Cocodona 250 race. Alison discusses her creative race plan, which is themed around popular movies and shows, and how this strategy helps her stay engaged and motivated during the grueling 200-mile race. She also shares insights on her logistical preparations, including a new sleep strategy, and her involvement in empowering women in ultra running. The conversation highlights the importance of community, creativity, and personal enjoyment in endurance sports.
Mon, April 07, 2025
Rachel Entrekin is Flagstaff Bound at the 2025 Cocodona 250
Want to support us? Use code DISTANCE at Janji.com and be sure to select 'podcast' > 'Distance to Empty' on the post purchase "How did you hear about Janji" page. Thank you! Welcome to our Flagstaff Bound series! We'll be hosting this series along with Aravaipa Running in the lead up to the 2025 Cocodona 250. In this episode of Flagstaff Bound, host Kevin Goldberg and co-host Peter Noyes interview defending Cocodona 250 champion Rachel Entrekin as she prepares for her second go. Rachel discusses her training adjustments, lessons learned from last year's race, and her strategies for pacing and nutrition. She emphasizes the importance of crew support and shares her excitement for the upcoming race, while also reflecting on personal goals beyond just placement.
Wed, April 02, 2025
Ryan Sandes is Flagstaff Bound at the 2025 Cocodona 250
Want to support us? Use code DISTANCE at Janji.com and be sure to select 'podcast' > 'Distance to Empty' on the post purchase "How did you hear about Janji" page. Thank you! Welcome to our Flagstaff Bound series! We'll be hosting this series along with Aravaipa Running in the lead up to the 2025 Cocodona 250. In this episode of Flagstaff Bound, host Kevin Goldberg and co-host Peter Noyes interview ultra running legend Ryan Sands as he prepares for his debut at the Cocodona 250. They discuss Ryan's extensive experience in ultra marathons, his training regimen, mental strategies for endurance racing, and the importance of preparation and community in such challenging events. Ryan shares insights on managing sleep, breaking down races into manageable segments, and the excitement of new adventures in his long-running career.
Wed, April 02, 2025
How to Finish the Arizona Monster 300 (w/ Two Dudes Who Haven't Run It)
Want to support us? Use code DISTANCE at Janji.com and be sure to select 'podcast' > 'Distance to Empty' on the post purchase "How did you hear about Janji" page. Thank you! In this episode of the Distance to Empty podcast, host Kevin Goldberg and guest cohost Chad Bruce delve into the inaugural Arizona Monster 300, a 304-mile ultra race through the Sonoran Desert. They provide a detailed course preview, discussing each section's challenges, including elevation changes, aid station locations, and sleep strategies. The conversation emphasizes the importance of preparation, hydration, and pacing, especially given the unique conditions of this race. With insights from their training experiences, they offer valuable tips for both runners and crew members to navigate this epic adventure successfully.
Mon, March 31, 2025
Callie Vinson is Flagstaff Bound at the 2025 Cocodona 250
Want to support us? Use code DISTANCE at Janji.com and be sure to select 'podcast' > 'Distance to Empty' on the post purchase "How did you hear about Janji" page. Thank you! Welcome to our Flagstaff Bound series! We'll be hosting this series along with Aravaipa Running in the lead up to the 2025 Cocodona 250. In this episode of the Distance to Empty podcast, host Kevin Goldberg and co-host Peter Noyes welcome back Callie Vinson, an experienced ultra marathon runner preparing for the Cocodona 250. They discuss Callie's motivations for returning to the race, her mindset and strategies for tackling the challenges of ultra running, and the importance of nutrition and hydration. Callie shares her transition into coaching and how it has enriched her experience in the sport. The conversation also touches on personal growth through racing, gear preparation, and the anticipation of challenges during the race.
Wed, March 26, 2025
Dan Green is Flagstaff Bound at the 2025 Cocodona 250
Want to support us? Use code DISTANCE at Janji.com and be sure to select 'podcast' > 'Distance to Empty' on the post purchase "How did you hear about Janji" page. Thank you! Welcome to our Flagstaff Bound series! We'll be hosting this series along with Aravaipa Running in the lead up to the 2025 Cocodona 250. In this episode of Flagstaff Bound, host Kevin Goldberg and co-host Peter Noyes interview Cocodona 250 hopeful Dan Green. They discuss Dan's journey into ultrarunning, his transition from shorter races to the 200-mile distance, and the unique challenges that come with such a long race. Dan shares his excitement and nervousness about the Cocodona 250, his strategies for sleep and mental resilience, and the physical preparation he has undertaken. The conversation also touches on why Dan chose Cocodona, his anticipation for specific sections of the race, and his thoughts on success beyond just placement.
Mon, March 24, 2025
Kyla Maher is Flagstaff Bound at the 2025 Cocodona 250
Want to support us? Use code DISTANCE at Janji.com and be sure to select 'podcast' > 'Distance to Empty' on the post purchase "How did you hear about Janji" page. Thank you! Welcome to our Flagstaff Bound series! We'll be hosting this series along with Aravaipa Running in the lead up to the 2025 Cocodona 250. In this episode of Flagstaff Bound, host Kevin Goldberg and co-host Peter Noyes chat with Kyla Maha, an athlete manager at Janji and a first-time participant in the Cocodona 250 race (or any 200+ mile race!). In this episode we discuss Kyla's journey into ultra running, her preparations for the race, the importance of crew support, and insights into the course. Kyla shares her mindset shifts, personal goals, and the challenges she anticipates during the race, all while maintaining a light-hearted and humorous tone.
Mon, March 17, 2025
The Iditarod Trail Invitational w/ Mitch Dulleck
Want to support us? Use code DISTANCE at Janji.com and be sure to select 'podcast' > 'Distance to Empty' on the post purchase "How did you hear about Janji" page. Thank you! In this episode of Distance to Empty, host Kevin Goldberg interviews Mitch Dulleck about his experience in the Iditarod Trail Invitational 150. Mitch shares his journey to the race, including his preparation, gear choices, and nutrition strategies for enduring the harsh winter conditions. He discusses the challenges of pacing, sleep strategies, and the unique experience of racing through the night. Mitch reflects on his finish, the adventure of getting home, and his future goals in ultra running, particularly aiming for the ITI 350.
Tue, March 11, 2025
Andy Jones-Wilkins is Running Cocodona 250
In this episode of Distance to Empty, host Kevin Goldberg welcomes ultra runner AJW to discuss his upcoming participation in the Cocodona 250, his journey into 200-mile races, and the unique challenges they present. AJW shares his motivations for stepping up to this distance, including a tribute to his late friend Rob Martin. The conversation delves into training strategies, the importance of sleep management, and the evolving landscape of ultra running, particularly the rise of 200-mile races. AJW also offers insights into the future of the sport and the significance of Cocodona as a premier event in the ultra running community. In this conversation, AJW discusses the rapid rise of the Cocodona 250 race, its impact on the ultra running community, and the increasing popularity of 200-mile races. He shares his personal journey with hip replacements and how it has affected his training and racing. The discussion also touches on coaching strategies for athletes preparing for long-distance races, reflections on AJW's ultra running career, and advice for first-time 200-mile runners.
Mon, March 03, 2025
Fueling for 200 Milers w/ Registered Dietician Stefan Schuster
In this episode of Distance to Empty, Kevin Goldberg and Stefan discuss the intricacies of ultra running, particularly focusing on the 200-mile distance and the nutritional strategies that accompany such endurance events. Stefan shares his journey from a career in sales to becoming a registered dietitian, emphasizing the importance of nutrition in ultra running. The conversation delves into the differences in fueling strategies between 100 and 200-mile races, the significance of training the gut, pre-race nutrition, and the management of electrolytes during races. Stefan provides practical advice for runners to optimize their performance through effective nutrition and hydration strategies. Stefan discuss the intricacies of hydration and nutrition strategies for ultra running, particularly in extreme conditions. They explore the balance of electrolytes, the impact of weather on fueling strategies, and the importance of adapting to changing circumstances during long races. The discussion also touches on overcoming nutritional pitfalls, the allure of liquid calories, and personal experiences of highs and lows in ultra running. Stefan emphasizes the need for simplicity in nutrition, especially during challenging races, and the importance of enjoying the journey.
Tue, February 25, 2025
Anastasia Wilde & Jason Peters - 200 Race Photography
In this conversation, Anastasia Wilde, and Jason Peters discuss their experiences in the world of long-distance race photography, particularly focusing on 200-mile races. They share their personal journeys into the industry, the challenges they face during races, and the planning involved in capturing the best moments. The discussion also touches on memorable experiences, both epic failures and emotional moments, as well as the use of drone technology in race coverage. The conversation highlights the camaraderie and unique challenges faced by photographers in the endurance sports realm. In this conversation, the hosts and guests discuss the intricacies of photographing ultra races, including the challenges of sleep deprivation, the logistics of race day, and the excitement of shooting new events. They also touch on the impact of technology on their work, the importance of community support for photographers, and their personal experiences in the field. The conversation wraps up with a rapid-fire segment where the guests share their favorite moments and gear.
Mon, February 17, 2025
"The Chase" a Cocodona 250 Film w/ Dylan Harris
Want to support us? Use code DISTANCE at Janji.com and be sure to select 'podcast' > 'Distance to Empty' on the post purchase "How did you hear about Janji" page. Thank you! In this episode, Dylan shares his journey into filmmaking, detailing how he transitioned from sports to trail running and eventually to capturing the essence of ultra running through documentaries. He discusses the challenges and excitement of filming the Cocodona 250 race for The Chase , focusing on the elite runners and the broader narratives that unfold during such events. Dylan emphasizes the importance of storytelling in ultra running, the unexpected twists that arise during races, and how competition influences the narrative he aims to capture. In this conversation, Dylan discusses his journey from creating commercial content to focusing on authentic storytelling in ultra running films. He reflects on the evolution of the Cocodona 250 race, the unique experiences planned for the film's premiere tour, and the importance of curiosity in long-distance running. Dylan also shares insights on the film's distribution plans and his personal motivations behind filmmaking in the ultra running community.
Mon, February 10, 2025
Candice Burt - From the Triple Crown of 200s to the Arizona Monster 300 & Beyond
Want to support us? Use code DISTANCE at Janji.com and be sure to select 'podcast' > 'Distance to Empty' on the post purchase "How did you hear about Janji" page. Thank you! In this conversation, Candice Burt discusses her journey in creating and organizing 200-mile ultra races, including the Tahoe 200, Bigfoot 200, and Moab 240. She reflects on the evolution of these races, the challenges faced in organizing them, and the growing popularity of ultra running. The discussion also covers the upcoming Arizona Monster 300, its unique course, and the anticipated challenges runners may face. In this engaging conversation, Candice Burt shares her insights on ultra running, the importance of training and sleep, and her upcoming events, including a Colorado 200. She reflects on her personal experiences, the challenges of long-distance races, and the emotional depths encountered during her adventures. The discussion highlights the evolution of ultra running and the significance of community and media in supporting the sport.
Mon, February 03, 2025
Trail Running & Wildlife Encounters w/ Jeff Larson of Tooth & Claw Podcast
Want to support us? Use code DISTANCE at Janji.com and be sure to select 'podcast' > 'Distance to Empty' on the post purchase "How did you hear about Janji" page. Thank you! In this episode of Distance to Empty we interview Jeff Larson, cohost of the Tooth and Claw Podcast about the intersection of wildlife encounters and ultra running. They discuss safety tips for trail runners, the risks of animal encounters, and the importance of being prepared with the right gear. Jeff shares insights from his research on animal behavior, particularly regarding bears and snakes, and offers advice on how to handle unexpected wildlife encounters. The conversation also touches on the challenges of sleeping on the trail and the unique scenarios that ultra runners may face in the wilderness. In this engaging conversation, the hosts share personal wildlife encounters, discuss safety tips for running in nature, and explore the behavior of various animals. They recount thrilling stories of close encounters with moose, mountain lions, and bears, emphasizing the importance of understanding animal behavior and being prepared for unexpected situations. The discussion also touches on unique scenarios involving animals in different environments, highlighting the thrill of outdoor adventures and the lessons learned from these experiences.
Mon, January 27, 2025
The Mammoth 200 w/ RD Hilary Yang
Want to support us? Use code DISTANCE at Janji.com and be sure to select 'podcast' > 'Distance to Empty' on the post purchase "How did you hear about Janji" page. Thank you! In this conversation, Hilary Yang shares her journey into the world of 200-mile races, detailing her experiences as a photographer and media director for Destination Trail. She discusses the inspiration behind the Mammoth race, the challenges of planning a new race, and the unique features of the course. Hilary emphasizes the importance of community, support for runners, and the role of media in capturing the race experience. In this conversation, Hilary Yang discusses the upcoming 200-mile race, emphasizing the balance between competition and community. She highlights the importance of creating a memorable experience for all participants, from the first to the last runner. Hilary encourages those considering their first 200-mile race, sharing insights on the unique journey and personal growth that comes with endurance racing. The discussion also touches on the significance of support, the beauty of exploration, and the lessons learned from both highs and lows in racing.
Mon, January 20, 2025
Harry Subertas - Cocodona 250 & The Triple Crown of 200s
Want to support us? Use code DISTANCE at Janji.com and be sure to select 'podcast' > 'Distance to Empty' on the post purchase "How did you hear about Janji" page. Thank you! In this conversation, Harry Subertas shares his journey into the world of 200-mile races, detailing his experiences, challenges, and triumphs. He reflects on his first race in Colorado, the impact of cumulative fatigue, and his historic performance at Cocodona. Harry discusses the challenges he faced during the Tahoe race, including health issues, and how he navigated them with the support of friends and pacers. He also touches on the newfound attention and sponsorship opportunities that have arisen from his successes, as well as his strategies for managing sleep and breathing issues during endurance races. In this conversation, Harry Subertas shares his experiences from various ultra races, including Tahoe, Bigfoot, and Moab. He discusses the challenges faced during these races, including physical injuries and mental fatigue, while also highlighting the joy of community and support from friends. The conversation culminates in Harry's emotional proposal to his partner at the finish line of Moab, reflecting on the significance of shared experiences in the running community. He also looks ahead to future races and adventures, expressing a desire to continue pushing his limits while enjoying the journey.
Mon, January 13, 2025
Harvey Lewis - 200 Miles and Beyond
In this conversation, Harvey shares his extensive experience in ultramarathons, particularly focusing on the challenges and adventures of running 200-mile races. He reflects on his first 200-mile race at the Gobi Trail Ultra, the spontaneous decision to run the Badwater Double, and the beauty of the Bigfoot 200. Harvey discusses the differences between traditional ultramarathons and backyard ultras, emphasizing the mental and physical strategies required for each. The conversation highlights the camaraderie among runners and the personal growth that comes from pushing one's limits in extreme conditions. In this conversation, Harvey shares his experiences and insights on ultra running, focusing on the challenges of sleep deprivation, training and recovery strategies, the growing popularity of 200-mile races, and the emotional highs and lows encountered during these extreme endurance events. The discussion highlights the complexity of race logistics, the personal nature of sleep management, and the evolving landscape of ultra running competitions.
Mon, December 30, 2024
Across Florida 200 w/ Liz Myers + Year End Recap
In our last episode of 2024, Liz Myers shares her inspiring journey into ultra running, detailing her transition from strength training and off-roading to completing her first 200-mile race. She discusses the challenges of training, the emotional rollercoaster during the race, and the unique experiences of running across Florida. Liz emphasizes the importance of self-competition, the support of her crew, and the lessons learned from dealing with blisters and nutrition during long races. In this conversation, Liz Myers shares her experiences and insights from participating in ultra races, particularly her first 200-mile race. She discusses the challenges of sleep deprivation, the mental hurdles faced during long distances, and the unexpected realities of ultra running. Liz also delves into her journey into coaching and podcasting, emphasizing the importance of community and relationships in the sport. The conversation culminates in a heartwarming story of her proposal at the finish line, highlighting the personal motivations that drive ultra runners. Stay tuned during the post show for a year end recap with Kevin, Peter and Gabe Peterson.
Mon, December 16, 2024
Race Media Coverage & Live-streaming for 200s w/ Chris Worden
In this conversation, Chris Worden shares his journey from a casual runner to becoming a staple in ultra running media coverage. He discusses the evolution of race coverage, particularly for events like Cocodona 250, and the challenges of live streaming such extensive races. Chris emphasizes the importance of storytelling in ultra running, highlighting the diverse experiences of athletes, from elites to back-of-the-pack runners. He also addresses the ethical considerations of race coverage, the impact of technology like Starlink on broadcasting, and the differences in covering long races compared to shorter events. In this conversation, Chris Worden and Peter Noyes discuss the intricacies of race coverage in trail running, the growth of the sport, and the personal experiences that shape their perspectives. They explore the dynamics of covering races like Cocodona and Western States, the emotional moments that resonate with both commentators and viewers, and the future of trail running coverage. The discussion highlights the challenges and joys of bringing these events to a wider audience while emphasizing the importance of supporting all athletes, not just the elites.
Tue, December 03, 2024
Thru-hiking to 200s w/ Kevin Russ
In this conversation, Kevin Russ shares his journey from being a landscape nature photographer to becoming an avid thru-hiker and ultra runner. He discusses the transition from long-distance hiking to ultra running, the mental resilience required for both activities, and the importance of sleep strategies in ultra running. Kevin also delves into how his passion for photography intertwines with his outdoor adventures, and he shares his excitement and concerns about participating in the Cocodona 250 race. In this conversation, Kevin Goldberg shares insights on preparing for ultra-endurance events, particularly focusing on nutrition, the mental challenges of solitude, and the introspective nature of long-distance running. He discusses the logistics of planning for both thru-hiking and ultra running, offering advice for newcomers to the sport. The conversation also touches on essential gear for hiking and running, as well as the importance of mental distractions during long stretches on the trail. Kevin reflects on his personal highs and lows from his experiences, emphasizing the growth and learning that come from these adventures.
Mon, November 18, 2024
Simon Guérard & the Tor Des Geants
In this episode, Simon Guérard shares his experiences and insights from participating in the challenging Tor des Geants, one of the most difficult endurance races in the world. He discusses his journey into ultra running, the importance of mental toughness, pacing strategies, and the unique challenges posed by the race's weather and terrain. Simon also delves into preparation techniques, the significance of sleep and nutrition during long races, and his future aspirations in the world of ultra running.
Thu, November 07, 2024
Natasha Swartley AKA "Thor" the Trail Race Medic
In this episode of Distance to Empty, Natasha Swartley shares her journey from military service to becoming a trail race medic. She discusses her experiences in ultra running, the challenges faced by athletes, and the importance of proper medical care in endurance races. Natasha highlights common medical issues such as nutrition and GI problems, blisters, and the psychological aspects of racing. She emphasizes the need for specialized medical support in ultra events and shares memorable moments where her interventions helped runners overcome obstacles and finish strong. In this conversation, Natasha Swartley shares her insights on the medical aspects of ultra running, focusing on injury management, the importance of hydration, and the mental challenges faced by runners. She emphasizes the need for preventative measures and mental resilience, while also drawing inspiration from the determination of ultra runners, particularly those who finish at the back of the pack. Natasha's personal journey and upcoming participation in her first 200-mile race highlight the transformative power of ultra running.
Mon, October 21, 2024
Sarah Ostaszewski - Moab 240 Champion
In this episode of Distance to Empty, Sarah shares her recent victory at the Moab 240 race, reflecting on her journey through ultra running, the challenges of training, and the importance of crew support. She compares her experiences at Moab and Cocodona, discussing the unique aspects of each race and how they shaped her approach to endurance racing. Sarah emphasizes the mental challenges faced during long races and the strategies she employed to overcome them, highlighting the significance of experience and preparation in achieving success. In this conversation, Sarah shares her experiences and insights from the Moab 240 race, discussing the challenges of the course, her nutrition strategies, sleep management, and the importance of mental resilience. She reflects on her future goals in ultra running and emphasizes the significance of recovery after such demanding events. Sarah also highlights the role of her crew and the support system in achieving her racing goals.
Mon, October 14, 2024
Delusions, Dead Bodies, & 200s w/ Kevin Hadfield
Welcome to our SPOOOKY episode! In this episode, Kevin Hadfield shares his journey into ultra running, discussing his experiences with the Tour de Geants and Cocodona races and reflects on the challenges of long-distance running, including the phenomenon of hallucinations during races. Additionally, he connects his career in medical legal death investigation to his experiences in ultra running, exploring the psychological aspects of endurance sports. In this conversation, Kevin Hadfield shares his experiences as a coroner and endurance racer, discussing the emotional and psychological challenges he faces in both fields. He reflects on the objectivity required in death investigations, the surreal hallucinations experienced during long races, and the physical toll of altitude sickness. Kevin also delves into the mental struggles of endurance racing, including disassociation and the limits of human endurance, while contemplating future goals and the lessons learned from his experiences. Here is the link to donate to John Kelly's, Hurricane Helene, GoFundMe: https://www.gofundme.com/f/bypass-bureaucracy-for-mountain-areas-affected-by-helene?fbclid=PAZXh0bgNhZW0CMTEAAaYrjar9Zm2MO0uZw9v0341pgw4jDG15hUHq7p2a5EpR0SR4Bn33QfouYRo_aem_5R7gjI2yJB3x3Tjzl_5cSA
Tue, October 08, 2024
2024 Moab 240 Course Preview
In this episode, Kevin and Peter provide an in-depth preview of the Moab 240 ultra marathon, sharing their personal experiences and insights from the race. They discuss the course layout, key updates for the upcoming race, and detailed descriptions of each section, including challenges and strategies for success. The conversation also touches on the importance of pacing, nutrition, and mental preparation for such a grueling event. Listeners can expect valuable tips and anecdotes that will help them navigate the Moab 240 course effectively.
Mon, September 30, 2024
Arlen Glick & The Cocodona 250
In this conversation, Arlen Glick shares his journey into ultra running, focusing on his experience at the Cocodona 250. He discusses the transition from shorter races to the 200-mile distance, the training adjustments he made, and the mental strategies he employed during the race. Arlen reflects on the challenges he faced, particularly during the second day, and emphasizes the importance of sleep and nutrition in endurance racing. He also shares insights on competition, his pacer's role, and his future plans in the sport.
Mon, September 23, 2024
The Cowboy 200 w/ Cole Crosby
In this episode, Cole Crosby shares his experience of winning the Cowboy 200, a uniquely challenging 200-mile race in Nebraska. He discusses the unique aspects of the race, his training regimen, and the mental fortitude required to push through the pain and exhaustion. Cole emphasizes the importance of hydration, crew support, and personal management during ultra races. He also compares the Cowboy 200 to other races like Cocodona, highlighting the differences in terrain and race dynamics. Throughout the conversation, Cole reflects on his journey in ultra running and offers advice for those looking to tackle their first 200-miler.
Mon, September 09, 2024
Preparing Your Body for 200 Milers w/ Dr. Jesse Riley
Dr. Jesse Reilly shares his background in working with runners and endurance athletes and his approach to pain management. He emphasizes the importance of an evidence-based approach and individualized care. He discusses the role of the brain in interpreting pain and the need to find a balance between pushing through discomfort and avoiding injury. Dr. Reilly also addresses the use of the RICE protocol and the importance of movement in recovery. He explores the mindset and mental strategies that can help athletes navigate pain during races. The conversation concludes with a discussion on the evolution of sports performance over the past century. In this conversation, Dr. Jesse Riley discusses the role of strength training in ultra-endurance events and the importance of individualized treatment plans. He emphasizes the need for consistency and realistic expectations in training and highlights the value of addressing mental health and overall well-being. Dr. Riley also offers insights into virtual treatment options and the benefits of a cash-based model. The conversation concludes with a discussion on favorite training foods and gear, as well as the ongoing pursuit of personal goals.
Thu, September 05, 2024
2024 Divide 200 Course Preview w/ Regina Massingill
In this episode of the Distance to Empty podcast, Kevin and Peter interview Regina, a veteran of the Divide 200 ultra marathon. They discuss the different sections of the race and Regina shares her experiences and challenges. The race starts with an easy section, followed by a difficult and technical section with route finding challenges. Regina talks about the importance of having a crew and the aid stations along the way. She also mentions the night sections and the beautiful views of the course. The episode ends with a discussion about the upcoming sections and the addition of extra distance to the race. Regina discusses her experience running the Divide 200 race, focusing on the different aid stations and sections of the course. She talks about the adjustments made to the route and the challenges she faced, including sleep deprivation and hallucinations. Regina emphasizes the importance of proper planning and studying the course. She also shares her favorite moments and offers advice for future runners. Overall, Regina's journey in the Divide 200 was filled with highs and lows, but she found a sense of accomplishment in completing the race.
Mon, August 26, 2024
Andy Glaze on 200+ Mile Races
Andy discusses his experience with 200-mile races, including Cocodona, Moab 240, and others. He talks about the challenges of running solo and unsupported, the importance of sleep strategy, and the differences in approach between 100-mile and 200-mile races. He reflects on his past Cocodona races and how he has learned from each one. Andy also shares his plans for future races, including Tour de Jean, Leadville, and Monster. He offers advice for athletes looking to do multiple 200-mile races in a year, emphasizing the need for a strong base, proper fueling and hydration, and active recovery. In this conversation, Andy emphasizes the need to break up long runs into smaller sessions to reduce the strain on the body and recommends focusing on nutrition and hydration strategies during races. Andy also talks about the unpredictability of 200-mile races and the importance of practicing and adapting to different conditions. He shares his experiences with hallucinations during races and encounters with wildlife. Andy concludes by discussing his motivation for continuing to participate in ultra running and how it helps him maintain his mental health.
Mon, August 12, 2024
DNF & Finding Redemption w/ Bryant Shook
Bryant Shook shares his journey into ultra marathons and his experience with the 200+ mile distance. In 2023, he attempted the Cocodona 250 but had to drop out at mile 100 due to various issues. This led to a period of depression and a strong determination to come back and finish the race. In 2024, he made a comeback and successfully completed the Cocodona 250. The key factors that contributed to his success were improved nutrition, a mindset shift, and the support of a crew and pacers. Bryant reflects on the emotions and challenges he faced throughout his ultra running journey. Bryant Shook shares his experiences in ultra-running, including his lows and highs, the role of crewing and pacing, and his future goals. He emphasizes the importance of perseverance and self-discovery in the sport. Bryant also discusses his coaching journey and his new podcast, 'Unworthy of Oblivion,' which focuses on outdoor sports and adventure. He concludes by expressing his gratitude for the support he has received from the ultra-running community.
Mon, August 05, 2024
2024 Bigfoot 200 Course Preview
In this episode, Kevin and Peter provide an in-depth course preview of the Bigfoot 200 ultra marathon. They discuss each section of the race, including the elevation gain and loss, the difficulty of the trails, and the availability of water sources. They also mention the aid stations and the opportunity for crew and pacers. The conversation highlights the challenging and beautiful nature of the course, with sections that are steep, overgrown, and remote. Overall, it provides valuable insights for runners preparing for the Bigfoot 200. The conversation provides a methodical review of the Bigfoot 200 course, highlighting the key sections and challenges. The main themes include the recommended sections to have a pacer, the abundance of blueberries and huckleberries along the course, the presence of bears and other wildlife, the river crossings, the climb to Elk Peak, the difficulty of the Clickitat to Twin Sisters section, the net downhill of the Owens Creek to the finish, and the overall difficulty and uniqueness of the race. The conversation also includes a snack review and a game of Let's Get Deep.
Mon, July 29, 2024
Badwater 135 & The Mighty Gallatin 300
In this episode, the hosts are joined by Francis Picard for a bonus intro guest. Francis recently completed the Badwater 135 race. They discuss Francis' experience at the race, including the challenging start, managing nutrition in the heat, and dealing with bees along the course. They also talk about the high and low points of the race and whether they would do it again. In the second part of the episode, they interview Connor, the first and only finisher of the Mighty Gallatin, a rugged 300+ mile stage race in Montana. Connor discusses his experience participating in the Mighty Gallatin, a stage run in Montana covering 281 miles over seven days. He shares the challenges of the course, including difficult navigation, rugged terrain, extreme elevations, and unpredictable weather. Connor also talks about the communal aspect of the event, where all the runners and volunteers shared a campground each night, creating a unique bond. He emphasizes the importance of preparation, refueling, and taking care of his feet each day. Connor's thru-hiking background and experience in ultra running helped him navigate the course and move efficiently. Connor shares his experience of finishing the Mighty Gallatin, a 200+ mile race in Montana. He describes the excitement and camaraderie among the participants and the emotional moment of crossing the finish line together. Connor also reflects on the mental challenges of the race and the importance of staying positive and shifting mindset during low moments. He discusses his future plans, including racing in France and pursuing fastest known times (FKTs). Connor highlights the beauty of the Montana wilderness and the need to make events like the Mighty Gallatin more accessible to others. He also shares his encounters with wildlife, including a close encounter with a black bear.
Tue, July 16, 2024
Megan Eckert - 200+ Miles in Back Yard Ultras and Looped Courses!
Megan Eckert, an ultra runner, shares her journey in the sport and her recent success at Six Days in the Dome. She started with a half marathon and fell in love with the distance, eventually transitioning to trail marathons and ultras. Megan found success in looped courses and backyard style races, enjoying the timed events and the community. She ran 526 miles at Six Days in the Dome, proving her ability to handle the distance. Megan emphasizes the importance of strength training and listening to her body for recovery. She approaches races with a gamification mindset and finds motivation in the support of her crew and the camaraderie of the running community. Megan Eckert discusses her experience in multi-day ultra races, including the challenges of changing her diet during a race and the importance of trusting her crew. She also talks about her approach to heat training and her interest in participating in 200-mile trail races. Megan shares her coaching experience and how she hopes to inspire her students to pursue running. She reflects on her lowest low in a race and her highest high, as well as her favorite food and gear for multi-day events. Megan concludes by stating that she is still searching for her distance to empty.
Mon, July 08, 2024
Tahoe 200 & Racing with Type 1 Diabetes w/ Charlie Catalano
Charlie Catalano, an ultra runner with type 1 diabetes, shares his journey into the sport and his experience running the Tahoe 200. He discusses the challenges of managing his diabetes while training and racing, including monitoring his blood glucose levels and adjusting his insulin intake. Charlie emphasizes the importance of thriving (not just surviving!) with a chronic illness and finding support within the diabetic athlete community. He also highlights how he strategically used race cutoffs to his advantage, maximizing his care, sleep, and fueling during the race. Charlie shares his experience of participating in the Tahoe 200 race, a 200-mile ultra-endurance event. He discusses the importance of self-care and rest during the race, as well as the strategy of allowing oneself more time to rest in order to maximize performance. Charlie emphasizes the beauty of first-time experiences and the sense of accomplishment that comes with completing a challenging race. He also reflects on the impact of ultra-running on his perspective on life, highlighting the belief that one can do hard things and the importance of commitment and perseverance. Charlie shares his future race plans and expresses gratitude for the support and inspiration he has received from the ultra-running community.
Mon, July 01, 2024
Tahoe 200 w/ Melanie White
Melanie White shares her experience running the Tahoe 200 mile race, discussing the challenges she faced, including vomiting, breathing issues, and quad problems. She highlights the beauty of the course and the camaraderie among runners and volunteers. Melanie emphasizes the importance of sleep during the race and her ability to nap quickly. She also mentions the hot dog incident at the aid station and the pivotal moment when she was able to eat a Crunchwrap Supreme. Kevin Goldberg, her husband and pacer, provides additional insights and support throughout the conversation. In this conversation, Melanie reflects on her experience running the Tahoe 200 race. She discusses the challenges she faced, including quad issues and tough sections of the course. Melanie also shares her mindset during the race and her determination to finish despite the difficulties. She talks about the weather conditions, her favorite moments, and the support she received from her crew. Additionally, Melanie highlights the importance of having a strong 'why' and supporting organizations like Free to Run. The conversation concludes with a gear review and a fun segment of Let's Get Deep.
Mon, June 24, 2024
Party Pacing 200s w/ Jessica Wicks!
Jessica Wicks shares her journey from a non-runner to a 200-mile ultra runner, discussing her background, mental and physical challenges, and the unique experiences of being a back-of-the-pack runner. She also highlights the community, spiritual transformation, and the joy of meeting forever friends on the course. In this conversation, Jessica Wicks discusses her experiences with ultra-running, including insights into the unique challenges and rewards of participating in 200-mile races. She shares her thoughts on the spiritual and personal growth aspects of these races, as well as her upcoming race plans and training strategies.
Mon, June 17, 2024
Rachel Entrekin - 2024 Cocodona 250 Winner
Rachel Entrekin shares her journey into ultrarunning and her experience at the Cocodona 250 race. She talks about how she got into running and gradually progressed to longer distances. Rachel discusses her goals for the race, including enjoying the experience, finishing, and sleeping in a bed by Thursday evening. She also talks about the challenges she faced during the race, including nutrition issues and getting sick. Rachel highlights the importance of having a supportive crew and trusting their decisions. She also mentions the competitiveness of the women's field and hopes to see more women excel at this distance. Rachel reflects on her experience at Cocodona 250, highlighting the challenging climb up Mount Elden and the importance of knowing the course. She discusses the differences between timed track events and mountainous ultras, expressing a preference for the social aspect of timed events. Rachel also mentions her interest in attempting longer multi-day FKTs and the financial challenges of participating in destination trail events. She advises newcomers to rely on a supportive crew and emphasizes the significance of rest during the race. Rachel's highest high was the surprise visit from her run club friends, and her favorite gear was the sun shirt she wore throughout the race.
Mon, June 10, 2024
2024 Tahoe 200 Course Preview w/ Chad Bruce
In this episode, the hosts and guest discuss the Tahoe 200 mile endurance run, providing a detailed course preview and sharing personal experiences from the race. They cover various sections of the course, including the start at Heavenly to Armstrong Pass, Armstrong to Housewife Hill, Heavenly to Spooner, Spooner Summit to Village Green, Brockway Summit to Tahoe City, and more. The conversation also delves into the challenges, highlights, and unique aspects of each section, as well as the overall experience of the race. Chad shares his experiences and memories from the Tahoe 200 race, discussing aid stations, weather conditions, trail sections, and the challenges of sleep deprivation. He also talks about his upcoming races and the significance of the Arizona Monster 300 and the Triple Crown of 200s.
Mon, June 03, 2024
Longevity in 200 Mile Ultras w/ Michael Koppy
Michael Koppy shares his journey into ultra running, from his high school running experiences to his transition into ultra triathlons and eventually 200-mile races. He discusses his approach to training, the transformative experience of running 200s, and his FKT achievements on long trails. The conversation also touches on age-related achievements and the future of his running goals. Michael Koppy, an experienced ultra runner, shares insights on defying age limitations, maintaining physical health, and efficient race strategies. He emphasizes the importance of movement, strength training, and efficient aid station protocols. His upcoming races and future goals reflect his relentless pursuit of new challenges and distances.
Mon, May 27, 2024
200+ Mile Musings post Cocodona 250 w/ Jake Jackson
Shop Ketl Mountain Apparel here Jake Jackson discusses his experience running the Cocodona 250 race, including his training approach, sleep strategy, and challenges faced during the race. He talks about the mental and physical preparation required for a multi-day race and the importance of having a supportive crew. Jake also shares his memorable moments and surprises along the course, as well as the gear and nutrition adjustments he made for the race. Jake Jackson discusses his experience at the Cocodona 250 race and his decision to sign up for the race again in 2025. He reflects on the challenges he faced during the race and the lessons he learned. Jake talks about the importance of nutrition, sleep, and training for steep climbs. He also shares his thoughts on foot care and the water crossings during the race. Jake discusses his future goals, including making the US 24-hour national team, and offers advice for first-time 200-mile racers.
Mon, May 20, 2024
Brody Chisholm - The Youngest Cocodona 250 Finisher
Brody Chisholm recently completed the 2024 Cocodona 250, finishing in 12th place. He learned about the race last year when he hiked the Arizona Trail and followed along with Cocodona. His family also participated in the Elden Crest 38 last year. Initially, his mom was going to be his crew chief, but his older brother and mom decided to run as well. They divided their family and friends into three crews. Brody had his dad as his crew chief and his little brother and cousin as his main pacers. He had a secret goal of beating the course record of 69 hours, but he ended up finishing in 75 hours. Despite that, he was happy with his performance and the support from his family. Brody Chisholm, a 17-year-old ultra-runner, shares his experience and insights from completing the Cocodona 250-mile race. He discusses the initial skepticism and split reactions from his crew members about his ambitious goal. Brody's motivation to push the limits of human endurance stems from his competitive nature and desire to be the best. He compares the competition in track and cross-country races, which last minutes, to the endurance races that last for days. Brody reflects on the mental and physical challenges he faced during the race and the importance of sleep and nutrition. He also shares his future plans and advice for young athletes interested in long-distance running. Brody Chisholm finished the 2024 CocoDona 250 in 12th place He had a secret goal of beating the course record of 69 hours His family participated in the race as well, with his mom and older brother running They divided their family and friends into three crews Brody had his dad as his crew chief and his little brother and cousin as his main pacers He used strategic planning to determine when and where to have pacers Through hiking experience helped him with mental toughness and overcoming lows He believes there will eventually be a super hybrid athlete who excels in both running and hiking Brody's performance impressed others in the race and received support and admiration Ambitious goals can elicit mixed reactions, but having a balance of skepticism and belief can indicate a good goal. Motivation to push the limits of human endurance can come from a combination of personal drive and upbringing. The competition in endurance races differs from track and cross-country races, but there are similarities in the mental and physical challenges. Sleep and nutrition play crucial roles in the success of ultra-runners. Young athletes interested in long-distance running should start with shorter races and gradually work their way up, while maintaining a focus on personal goals and enjoying the process.
Mon, May 06, 2024
Fueling for 200+ Mile Ultras w/ The Nutrition Mechanic Dina Griffin
Dina Griffin, a sports dietician, discusses nutrition considerations for ultra-endurance athletes, specifically focusing on 200-mile races. She highlights the importance of fueling and hydration in these events, noting that the longer duration and varying terrain present more room for error. Griffin emphasizes the need for individualized nutrition plans based on an athlete's experience level, sweat rates, and weather conditions. She also discusses the challenges of eating during races, including the potential for nausea and loss of appetite. Griffin recommends a combination of liquid and solid calorie sources, varying flavors and textures to combat flavor fatigue, and using high-carb mixes for sustained energy. She also addresses the role of caffeine and sleep deprivation in ultra-endurance events. In this conversation, Dina Griffin discusses nutrition strategies for ultra-endurance races. She emphasizes the importance of fueling properly before, during, and after the race, and provides practical advice on hydration, calorie intake, and nutrient supplementation. Dina also explains the role of a nutritionist and the difference between a registered dietitian and a nutritionist. She highlights the services offered by her business, Nutrition Mechanic, which focuses on one-on-one support for athletes in preparing for events and optimizing their daily nutrition. The conversation concludes with a discussion on the potential future innovations in nutrition for ultra-endurance athletes. Takeaways Fueling and hydration are crucial for ultra-endurance athletes in 200-mile races due to the longer duration and varying terrain. Individualized nutrition plans should consider an athlete's experience level, sweat rates, and weather conditions. Nausea and loss of appetite can be common challenges during races, and athletes should experiment with different food sources and flavors to combat flavor fatigue. Combining liquid and solid calorie sources can provide sustained energy, and high-carb mixes are a convenient option. Caffeine can be used strategically for energy boosts, but individual tolerance and sleep deprivation should be considered. Eating a meal-sized amount of food and consuming fluids and electrolytes before and after sleep breaks can help athletes feel more energized and prevent calorie deficits. Proper nutrition is crucial for ultra-endurance races, and athletes should focus on fueling properly before, during, and after the race. Hydration is key, and athletes should be mindful of electrolyte levels and avoid overdrinking plain water. A nutritionist can provide personalized guidance and support for athletes, helping them optimize their nutrition for training and race day. Sweat tests can be helpful in determining an athlete's hydration needs, but it is recommended to seek out a testing center for more accurate results. <li
Mon, April 29, 2024
2024 Cocodona 250 Course Preview w/ Kevin & Peter
Ketl Mountain Apparel In this conversation, Kevin Goldberg and Peter Noyes discuss the 2024 Cocodona 250 race and provide tips and insights for each section of the course. They cover topics such as the start location, water carrying, terrain, navigation, aid stations, and the overall difficulty of the race. The conversation is methodical and provides a comprehensive overview of the race. The conversation covers the sections of the Cocodona 250 race from Mingus Mountain to Mount Elden, including Jerome, Dead Horse Ranch State Park, Sedona, Schnebly Hill, Walnut Canyon, and Mount Elden. The speakers provide insights and tips for each section, highlighting the terrain, aid stations, challenges, and notable features. They discuss the beauty of the trails, the importance of mental preparation, the need for proper gear and hydration, and the opportunity to rest and refuel at aid stations. They also share personal experiences and memories from the race. Key Takeaways: The race starts at a new location, avoiding the need to cross the Agua Fria River early on. Water carrying is important, and it is recommended to have the ability to carry four liters of water. Sections of the course vary in terrain, from runnable trails to steep climbs and rocky surfaces. Navigation is crucial in some sections, and following the GPX tracks is recommended. Aid stations provide essential support, and it is important to manage time effectively. The Mingus Mountain section is challenging, with concentrated uphill climbs and long downhill stretches. The Mingus Mountain to Jerome section is considered one of the hardest parts of the race. The race requires mental and physical preparation, as well as self-care and pacing strategies. Be mentally prepared for the challenging sections of the race and ensure you have enough water and fuel. Enjoy the beautiful trails and scenic views along the course. Take advantage of the aid stations to rest, refuel, and receive support from the race organizers and volunteers. Pay attention to the weather conditions and be prepared for temperature changes. Use trekking poles for steep descents and be cautious of potential hazards on the trail. Plan your strategy for the race, including pacing, rest stops, and crew support. Take care of yourself by dressing properly, fueling and hydrating adequately, and listening to your body's needs. Appreciate the transition from desert terrain to pine forests and the unique features of each section. Enjoy the camaraderie and support of fellow runners and the race community. Celebrate your accomplishments and savor the final stretch to the finish line.
Mon, April 22, 2024
Cocodona 250 w/ Joe "Stringbean" McConaghey
Use code Distance2Empty at Ketl Mountain Apparel for 15% off Joe shares his journey from college runner to ultra endurance athlete, including his experience running the Pacific Crest Trail and his transition to multi-day endurance events. He discusses his approach to training, including the use of doubles and variety in his workouts. Joe also talks about his upcoming race at Cocodona 250 and the competition he expects to face. The conversation touches on the challenges and excitement of ultra running, as well as the importance of being adaptable and open to new experiences. In this conversation, Joe and Kevin discuss their experiences at the Cocodona 250 race and the impact of COVID on their performance. They also talk about the All In Trail Collective, a coaching scholarship program for younger athletes. Joe shares his thoughts on the rise in popularity of 200-mile races and the future of the sport. The conversation ends with the Quick Five questions, where Joe shares his highest high and lowest low at Cocodona, his favorite food for a 200-mile race, his favorite piece of gear, and his perspective on finding his distance to empty.
Mon, April 15, 2024
Believing in yourself and finding the fun in running w/ Callie Vinson
Ketl Mountain Apparal Callie shares her journey into ultrarunning, from discovering the sport to signing up for her first 50-miler and eventually tackling 240-mile races. She discusses the importance of representation and inclusivity in the running community and how she has become an advocate for body diversity. Callie offers advice for beginners, emphasizing the importance of believing in oneself and finding the fun in running. She also talks about the lessons she learned from her previous races and her preparations for the upcoming Cocodona 250. Callie discusses her upcoming race, Cocodona 250, and her excitement for the new sections of the course. She also talks about the importance of being comfortable with discomfort in ultra-running and the unpredictable nature of multi-day races. Callie shares her strategies for managing electrolyte balance during races and her mindset leading up to the event. She reflects on her experience setting the Maricopa Trail FKT and the sense of community that came with it. Callie mentions her interest in future races like Badwater and the Speed Project. Takeaways Believe in yourself and find the fun in running. Representation and inclusivity are important in the running community. Experiment with fueling strategies to find what works for you. Sleep and gear choices can greatly impact race performance. Grit and the ability to be uncomfortable are essential in ultrarunning. Practice and recon of the course can improve race preparation. Embrace discomfort and be prepared for the challenges of multi-day races Manage electrolyte balance by knowing your sweat rate and adjusting hydration and sodium intake accordingly Setting an FKT can be a community effort and a way to bring people together Consider future races like Badwater and the Speed Project for new challenges
Mon, April 08, 2024
The Speed Project w/ Evan Birch
Ketl Mountain Apparal Free to Run Fundraiser Ultrarunner, Evan Birch, shares his journey in the sport and his experience in the Speed Project race. He discusses how running became more than just a physical challenge for him and how it helped him cope with his struggles with mental health. Evan also talks about his involvement with Bigger Than the Trail, an organization that provides mental health support to the endurance community. He then dives into the details of the Speed Project, an unsanctioned race from LA to Vegas, and how he prepared for it physically and logistically. He highlights the unique aspects of the race, including the choose-your-own-adventure route and the importance of having the right crew. Evan Birch shares his experience running the Speed Project, a 344-mile unsanctioned race from Los Angeles to Las Vegas. He discusses the logistics of the race, including how he and his crew navigated the route and managed rest breaks. Birch also talks about the challenges he faced during the race, such as dealing with injuries and staying motivated. He shares his nutrition strategy, which included electrolytes and real food, and emphasizes the importance of being adaptable and eating for fuel rather than preference. Birch also reflects on the mental aspect of the race and the need to focus on the progress made rather than the distance left to go. He provides insights into the unique culture of the Speed Project and offers advice for those interested in participating in the race. Birch concludes by discussing his future plans, including upcoming races and a documentary about his Speed Project experience. Takeaways Running can be a powerful tool for coping with mental health struggles and finding joy and self-worth. Bigger Than the Trail provides mental health support to the endurance community, offering virtual care for those who may not have access to it. The Speed Project is an unsanctioned race from LA to Vegas, with a choose-your-own-adventure route and no official start or finish line. Preparing for the Speed Project involves both physical training and logistical planning, including choosing the right route and assembling a supportive crew. The race experience is unique, with the crew moving with the runner and the opportunity to problem-solve and make choices along the way. The Speed Project is a 344-mile unsanctioned race from Los Angeles to Las Vegas that requires careful planning and navigation. Managing rest breaks and nutrition is crucial during the race, and being a
Mon, April 01, 2024
Cocodona 250 & Women in Ultrarunning w/ Rachel Bambrick
Melanie's Tahoe 200 Free to Run fundraiser! Rachel Bambrick, an ultra runner and occupational therapist, shares her journey into the world of ultra running and her experience in the Cocodona 250 race. She discusses the challenges and memorable moments she encountered during the race, highlighting the importance of finding moments of joy and lightness. Rachel also emphasizes the role of community in ultra running and the support she received from fellow runners. She defines mental toughness as finding strength through softness and problem-solving, and shares how she incorporates these techniques into her training. Lastly, Rachel introduces the Women in Ultra Running group, which aims to welcome more women into the sport of ultra running. Rachel Bambrick discusses the low representation of women in ultra running and the need to create a more inclusive and welcoming space for women in the sport. She shares her own experiences and observations, highlighting the impact of gender stereotypes and marketing strategies on women's participation. Rachel also talks about her initiative, Women in Ultra Running, which aims to provide a safe space for women to learn, connect, and participate in the sport. She suggests steps that the ultrarunning community can take to encourage more women to participate, such as diversifying race marketing and reserving lottery entries for underrepresented groups. Rachel also discusses her upcoming race, the Divide 200, and her journey as a coach using TrainingPeaks. Takeaways Find moments of joy and lightness during ultra races to counterbalance the inevitable low moments. Community plays a crucial role in ultra running, providing support, knowledge sharing, and camaraderie. Mental toughness can be defined as finding strength through softness and problem-solving. Incorporate techniques of mental toughness into training to better handle challenges during races. The Women in Ultra Running group aims to welcome more women into the sport of ultra running. The representation of women in ultra running is still low, despite their potential for success in the sport. Gender stereotypes and marketing strategies can discourage women from participating in ultra races. Creating a safe and inclusive space for women in ultra running can help increase their participation. Steps to encourage more women to participate include diversifying race marketing and reserving lottery entries for underrepresented groups.
Mon, March 25, 2024
Phil Lowry - The Triple Triple Crown
In this conversation, Phil discusses his journey into ultra running and the evolution of the sport. He shares how he got interested in ultra running and the influence of social media on the community. Phil also talks about the challenges and changes in 200-mile races and the importance of sleep in ultra running. He then dives into the Triple Crown challenge and reveals his favorite race, Bigfoot. In this conversation, Phil shares his takeaways from the Triple Crown and 200-mile races, emphasizing the importance of resilience and adaptability. He discusses the highlights and lowlights of his races, including memorable moments with his wife. Phil also talks about his training strategy and tactics, as well as his role as the GPS Director for Destination Trail. He reflects on the impact of his wife's cancer diagnosis on their perspective and dedication to the sport. Finally, Phil shares his dream race or route and his favorite piece of gear. Takeaways Resilience and adaptability are key in ultra-running, especially in challenging races like the Triple Crown and 200-milers. Experience and learning from past races are valuable in improving performance and avoiding common mistakes. Family support and shared experiences during races can create meaningful and memorable moments. Training strategies may vary, but focusing on strength, hiking, and rehabilitation can be effective for long-distance races.
Sat, March 23, 2024
Bonus Episode w/ Helgi Olafson & Ecopath Endurance
https://ecopathendurance.com/ Helgi Olafson, a super yacht chef and ultra-runner, shares his experiences and challenges in completing 200-mile races while living with ankylosing spondylitis (AS). He has completed 14 200-mile races and has never DNF'd. Helgi's journey includes biking between races and overcoming physical and logistical challenges. He emphasizes the importance of mental preparation and never giving up, sharing personal stories of pushing through pain and fatigue. Helgi also discusses his career as a super yacht chef and how he manages his training schedule while working on yachts. In this conversation, Helgi Olafson discusses his creation of Ecopath Endurance, a community-based endurance event series. He explains the concept of Capture the Flags, a timed format that offers a team environment and gamified experience. Mental preparation and a never-give-up attitude are crucial in completing 200-mile races. Living with ankylosing spondylitis (AS) requires staying active and finding ways to manage pain and fatigue. Challenges and setbacks can be opportunities for growth and self-discovery. Balancing a demanding career, such as being a super yacht chef, with training for endurance events requires careful planning and flexibility. Ecopath Endurance offers a team environment and community-based adventures for runners. Capture the Flags is a timed format that combines individual and team efforts in a gamified experience. The Mighty Gallatin 280 is a challenging stage adventure in the Montana Rockies.
Mon, March 18, 2024
The Oregon 200 w/ RDs Renee & Todd of Go Beyond Racing
Use code Distance2Empty to register for Oregon 200 and get $100 off before the end of March 2024: https://ultrasignup.com/register.aspx?did=108545 Todd and Renee, the race directors of Go Beyond Racing, discuss the inception and unique experience of the Oregon 200 race. They share their background in trail running and race directing, as well as the transition from timing races to organizing their own events. The conversation covers the process of creating the Oregon 200 course, the highlights of the race, and the challenges of dealing with fires and course changes. Todd and Renee also discuss their vision for the future of the race and offer advice for first-time Oregon 200 runners. In this conversation, Todd and Renee from Go Beyond Racing discuss various topics related to race directing and their experiences in the ultra running community. They share insights on the best gear for a 200 mile crew member, their highest highs and lowest lows in races, their ideal race location, and the ongoing journey of finding their distance to empty as race directors.Takeaways The Oregon 200 race offers a unique and intimate experience for runners, with a focus on creating a supportive and welcoming environment. The course highlights include running through beautiful forests, along rivers, and past stunning waterfalls. The race directors prioritize making the race crew accessible and providing a positive experience for volunteers. Hiking skills are essential for success in a 200-mile race, and runners should be adaptable and kind to themselves throughout the race. Volunteering at a race before participating can provide valuable insights and help runners understand the challenges and needs of the event. Having the right gear, such as a fold-up chair, blankets, headlamps, and a way to charge devices, is essential for crew members supporting a 200 mile race. The highest highs in races often come from unexpected moments and the opportunity to share experiences with others. The challenges and uncertainties of the COVID-19 pandemic had a significant impact on race directing, but the resilience and adaptability of race directors allowed them to navigate through difficult times. The ideal race location for Todd and Renee would be a long, scenic trail with beautiful surroundings and a festive atmosphere at the finish line.
Mon, March 11, 2024
Triple Crown of 200s w/ Jameson Collins
In this conversation, Jameson Collins shares his journey from running a 50K to completing the Triple Crown of 200-mile races. He discusses his transition from hating running to finding a passion for trail running and ultras. Jameson recounts his experiences at each race, including the challenges and highlights. He also shares his training and recovery strategies between races and the mindset shift that occurred throughout the Triple Crown. In this episode, Jameson shares his favorite races, including Tahoe 200, Bigfoot 200, and Moab 240. He discusses his future goals in the sport, which include winning 200-milers and running an FKT on the Oregon Coast Trail. Jameson also talks about his company, Houda Trail, and its vision to provide custom gear for ultra runners. The episode concludes with the Quick Five Questions segment, where Jameson shares his highest high and lowest low during the Triple Crown, his favorite food from Destination Trail aid stations, his favorite piece of gear, and his ongoing search for his distance to empty. Takeaways Transitioning from shorter races to longer ultras requires a gradual build-up in training and experience. The Triple Crown of 200-mile races is a challenging and transformative experience that pushes runners to their limits. Recovery and rest are crucial between races to allow the body to heal and prepare for the next event. Having a supportive community and a strong mindset are key factors in successfully completing the Triple Crown.
Mon, March 04, 2024
Cocodona Convos w/ Guest Host Joe Corcione
Summary In this episode Peter and Kevin are joined by guest host Joe Corcione of the Everyday Ultra Podcast! Peter and Kevin share their experiences and insights on running Cocodona 250. They discuss common misconceptions about the race, the unique features of Cocodona, training strategies, key sections to train for, mistakes to avoid, and tips for efficient aid station strategies and sleep management. They also provide advice on surviving the challenging Crown King section and highlight the importance of being adaptable and prepared with the right gear. Overall, their insights offer valuable guidance for anyone preparing to run Cocodona 250.
Mon, February 26, 2024
Ashley Paulson - First 200 at Cocodona 250
In this episode, Ashley Paulson, an experienced endurance athlete, shares her journey from triathlon to ultra running and her upcoming race, Cocodona 250. She discusses her background in fitness and endurance sports, including her transition from Ironman to ultra running. Ashley also talks about her experiences at Badwater and her goals for Cocodona 250. She shares her training methods, including using the treadmill, and discusses her anxieties and excitements for the race. Ashley also talks about her crew and race strategy, as well as her approach to nutrition and hydration. Finally, she shares her thoughts on the mental game and her competitive goals for the race. In this conversation, Ashley Paulson discusses her recovery from foot surgery and her quick return to running. She shares her gratitude for the successful healing process and the benefits of various therapies. The conversation then shifts to the upcoming Cocodona race, where Ashley and the hosts discuss the possibility of exploring the course before race day. The conversation concludes with a series of quick five questions, covering topics such as high and low moments in races, favorite race food, and essential gear. Takeaways The journey to finding your distance to empty is ongoing, as there is always more to discover and achieve.
Mon, February 19, 2024
Brian Gallant - Race Director of Divide 200
Brian Gallant, the race director of Sinister Sports, discusses the background and organization of the Divide 200, Canada's first and only 200-mile race. He explains the motivation behind organizing the race and the process of bringing it to life. Brian also highlights the unique features of the course and the importance of runner safety and emergency response. He shares his vision for the future of the Divide 200 and the possibility of new races in different regions of Canada. Brian Gallant discusses the Divide 200 race and offers advice for aspiring participants. He emphasizes the importance of mental preparation and shares his highest high and lowest low in a race. He also talks about his favorite food and gear for a 200-mile race and reflects on finding his distance to empty. Takeaways Sinister Sports organizes the Divide 200, Canada's first and only 200-mile race. The race is held in the Southern Alberta Rockies and showcases the stunning landscape of the region. Runner safety is a top priority, and the race has a comprehensive emergency response plan in place. The future of the Divide 200 includes maintaining a small field of participants and potentially expanding to other regions of Canada. Encourage participation and competition to make races more vibrant. Focus on the mental aspect of endurance races and learn to tolerate suffering. The highest high in a race can come from realizing your potential and being part of a community. The lowest low in a race is witnessing others' suffering and dropping out. Favorite food in a 200-mile race: hash browns and burgers. Recommended gear for a 200-mile race: filtering flask or filtering straw. Finding your distance to empty is an ongoing journey. To learn more about the Divide 200 race, visit divide200.ca.
Mon, February 12, 2024
Alyssa Clark - The Word's Toughest Races
In this gripping episode of Distance to Empty , hosts Kevin Goldberg and Peter Noyes are joined by Alyssa Clark, an accomplished ultra-runner and coach for UpHill Athlete. Alyssa delves into her journey from being inspired by Ultramarathon Man to a seasoned competitor who's faced the brutal challenges of the world's toughest ultras, including the Moab 240, which she won in 2022. Alyssa shares the highs and lows of her racing career, from the joy throughout her entire Hurt 100 race in 2023 to the despair on the mountainside during the Tour de Geants. With honesty and vulnerability, she discusses the mental and physical battles endured in races like Dragon's Back and Tour de Geants, emphasizing the transformative power of pushing past perceived limits. The conversation shifts to Alyssa's coaching philosophy with Uphill Athlete, where she underscores the importance of tailored training, strength conditioning, and the unique challenges of preparing for 200-mile events. Alyssa's approach to coaching and racing highlights the nuanced balance between rigorous preparation and the mental resilience required to tackle such demanding distances. Listeners will find inspiration in Alyssa's relentless pursuit of her limits and her commitment to evolving both as an athlete and coach. This episode is not just about the distances covered but about the journey of self-discovery, perseverance, and the unyielding quest to find one's distance to empty.
Mon, February 05, 2024
Crewing 200 Milers w/ Chaos Crewing Co
Chaos Crewing provides race support for ultra marathons and other endurance challenges. They assemble crews, strengthen team dynamics, and celebrate the stories of all those involved in the running community. The mantra of Chaos Crewing is that chaos breeds perfection, as the challenges faced in ultra marathons lead to growth and learning. The team at Chaos Crewing includes individuals with diverse roles, such as engagement and communication, graphic design, and administrative functions. They offer a range of services, including dedicated support crew, aid station hosting, logistics planning, and performance monitoring. The team is also working on developing digital products and tools to support athletes and crew members. The Chaos Crew Network is a free online network for people to find and offer race support in any form, and the team aims to expand this network to connect athletes and crew members worldwide. Chaos Crewing Network is introduced as a platform for connecting crews and athletes in the trail and ultra community. The challenges of putting on events and the importance of communication in crewing are discussed. Crazy stories from crewing experiences are shared, highlighting the unpredictable nature of the sport. The importance of taking care of athletes after the race and providing support and advice for new crews are emphasized. The goals of Chaos Crewing Network and the benefits of crewing for the sport are outlined. Takeaways Chaos Crewing provides race support for ultra marathons and other endurance challenges. The mantra of Chaos Crewing is that chaos breeds perfection, as the challenges faced in ultra marathons lead to growth and learning. The team at Chaos Crewing includes individuals with diverse roles, such as engagement and communication, graphic design, and administrative functions. The Chaos Crew Network is a free online network for people to find and offer race support in any form, and the team aims to expand this network to connect athletes and crew members worldwide.
Mon, January 29, 2024
Nickademus de la Rosa - Sports Psychology in 200 Milers
In this conversation, Nickademus shares his journey into ultra running, his interest in sports psychology, and the importance of mental training in the sport. He discusses the challenges he faced in running 100 miles and how his experiences led him to pursue a career in sports psychology. Nickademus also talks about his coaching business, Lightfoot Coaching, and its guiding philosophy. He compares European and American ultra races and reflects on the changes in his training and mindset over the years. In this conversation, Nickademus Hollon discusses his experiences and insights as an ultrarunner. He shares the pressure he felt to succeed and be recognized, and how it affected his performance. He also reflects on the similarities between his best performances and the lessons he learned from them. Nickademus emphasizes the importance of holding expectations lightly, staying present, and reacting to the current situation. He offers advice for those transitioning from 100-mile to 200-mile races, emphasizing the importance of prioritizing health over fitness. The conversation concludes with a fun game of Let's Get Deep and a comparison between Barkley and Tor de Geants races. Takeaways Mental training and sports psychology play a crucial role in ultra running, helping athletes overcome challenges and achieve their goals. Coaches should focus on the holistic development of athletes, caring about their well-being and personal growth, not just their race results. Self-awareness and understanding the different parts of oneself can help athletes make better choices and perform optimally. High-risk races, such as 200-milers, have gained popularity in recent years, attracting athletes seeking unique challenges and experiences. The mindset and approach to training and racing can evolve over time, influenced by personal experiences, interests, and goals.
Mon, January 22, 2024
Steve Aderholt - Race Director of Cocodona 250
In this conversation, Steve Aderholt, the race director for the Cocodona 250, discusses his journey into ultra running and how he became involved with organizing the race. He shares insights into the logistical challenges of race directing and ensuring runner safety. Steve also talks about the unique aspects of the Cocodona course and highlights memorable moments from previous races. He discusses his involvement with other races, such as Western States, and shares his perspective on the 200-mile distance. Steve concludes by providing information on upcoming registration dates for Cocodona and how to get in touch with him. Takeaways Ultra running offers a unique and rugged experience that appeals to many athletes. Race directing involves extensive logistical planning and coordination, as well as ensuring runner safety. The Cocodona 250 is a challenging and scenic race that showcases the beauty of Arizona. Course changes and adaptations are necessary in response to unforeseen circumstances. The future of Cocodona includes adding new distances and growing community involvement.
Mon, January 15, 2024
Jeff Browning - Moab 240 & Cocodona 250
In this conversation, Jeff Browning discusses his introduction to ultra running and his transition to 200-mile races. He shares his coaching philosophy and how it has evolved over the years. Jeff also talks about the challenges and strategies involved in training for and racing 200-mile events. He reflects on his experiences in Moab and Sedona Canyons 125 and how they have informed his approach to Cocodona 250. Jeff emphasizes the importance of nutrition, hydration, and sleep strategies in 200-mile races, as well as the recovery process after such events. In this conversation, Jeff Browning discusses various aspects of ultra running, including race strategy, the rise of 200-mile races, perspective shifts after running 200-milers, future challenges, the puzzle of ultra running, highs and lows in races, favorite gear, and the search for limits. Takeaways 200-mile races have gained popularity in recent years due to the adventure and challenge they offer. Training for a 200-mile race requires a strategic approach, including building up mileage, strength training, and practicing nutrition and hydration strategies. Coaching and learning from 200-mile races have helped Jeff refine his coaching philosophy and develop strategies for his athletes. Recovery from a 200-mile race can take longer than recovery from a 100-mile race, and nutrition and sleep play crucial roles in the recovery process. When running a race, it's important to focus on your own race and not get caught up in someone else's pace. 200-mile races are becoming more popular and challenging, and there is a growing body of knowledge and coaching expertise around them. Running 200-mile races can change your perspective on shorter distances and make them seem less intimidating. Ultra running is a puzzle that requires constant learning and improvement, and there is always room for growth and fine-tuning. Favorite gear for a 200-mile race includes comfortable and durable shoes. Ultra runners are constantly searching for their limits and pushing themselves to new challenges.
Mon, January 08, 2024
Andrea Moore - FIVE 200 milers in 2024
Andrea Moore shares her journey in ultra running, from her journey to endurance sports to her goals for the future. She discusses the challenges and rewards of running 200 mile races and the importance of community and support. Andrea also talks about the balance between content creation and racing, and how she plans to continue inspiring and supporting other women in the sport. She shares her experiences at Cocodona 250. Finally, Andrea discusses her future goals and challenges, including running FIVE 200 + mile races in 2024 including the Cocodona 250, Tahoe 200, Bigfoot 200, Divide 200 and Moab 240 Takeaways Transitioning from shorter distances to ultra running requires determination and a willingness to push beyond perceived limits. Community and support are crucial in the world of ultra running, and finding a coach and like-minded individuals can make a significant difference. Setting ambitious goals and embracing the adventure and exploration of ultra running can lead to personal growth and transformation.
Mon, January 01, 2024
Izzy Janovick - Moab 240 and Beyond
In this conversation, IzzyB shares her journey into ultra running, starting with team sports and extreme sports before transitioning to trail running. She discusses her experience volunteering at the Moab 240 and how it inspired her to participate in the race the following year. IzzyB also talks about her gear and nutrition choices for ultra running, including her love for Pop-Tarts. As a marketing professional in the endurance space, she shares her insights on representing brands in the same sport she competes in. She emphasizes the importance of running groups and community support in her running journey. IzzyB concludes by discussing her future races and goals, including the possibility of participating in a 300-mile race. In this conversation, IzzyB discusses various aspects of ultrarunning, including pacing and endurance, emotional moments during races, challenges for female runners, the importance of volunteers, life-changing experiences in ultrarunning, the emotional roller coaster of 200-mile races, and the desire to continue pushing boundaries.Takeaways Volunteering at races can provide valuable insights and appreciation for the effort and logistics involved in organizing ultra races. Choosing the right gear and nutrition is crucial for success in ultra running, and it may require experimentation and adjustments. Running groups and community support play a significant role in the enjoyment and motivation of ultra runners. Representing brands in the endurance space can be a rewarding experience, combining a passion for running with marketing expertise. Setting goals and participating in races can provide a sense of accomplishment and personal growth in the ultra running journey. Pacing and endurance are key challenges in ultrarunning, and experiencing the course firsthand can provide valuable insights. Ultrarunning can be an emotional journey, with moments of both joy and struggle. Female runners face unique challenges, such as the need to squat for bathroom breaks, especially towards the end of a race. Volunteers play a crucial role in ultrarunning events, providing support and ensuring the safety of participants. Ultrarunning can have a profound impact on participants, offering transformative and life-changing experiences. 200-mile races are particularly demanding, both physically and emotionally, taking runners on a roller coaster ride. Ultrarunners are constantly pushing their boundaries and seeking new challenges. IzzyB is an active and enthusiastic participant in the ultrarunning community.
Tue, December 26, 2023
Wes Plate
Tune in for episode one! We chat with Wes Plate about all things ultra running and 200 + mile races! Wes is a 200 mile specialist and has completed just about every 200 in the US including Cocodona 250, Tahoe 200, Bigfoot 200 and Moab 240. Wes is also a storyteller, known for his engaging YouTube videos that capture the raw, intense experience of these multi-day ultra races. Join us as we explore the highs, the lows, and everything in between in the world of ultra running with Wes! You can find Wes Plate on YouTube and Instagram
Trailer · Fri, December 22, 2023
Distance To Empty - Teaser Trailer!
Welcome to Distance to Empty! This is our teaser/intro episode. We're very excited to share upcoming interviews with you!
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