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Who are we? Why do we act, think and feel the way we do? How can we become our best, most authentic selves? Welcome to Typology, a podcast that explores the mystery of the human personality and how we can use the Enneagram typing system as a tool to become our best, most authentic selves. Hosted by author, speaker and counselor, Ian Morgan Cron, Typology features interviews with thought leaders from every sphere of life, including renowned Enneagram authors and teachers, psychologists, theologians, artists, business leaders, neuroscientists, philosophers, and more. In other words, we’ll be talking with people who ar...

S8 E43 · Thu, April 24, 2025
The Audacity to Be You: Embracing Your True Self, feat. Dr. Brad Reedy
In this powerful episode of Typology, I’m honored to sit down with Enneagram 8, Dr. Brad Reedy, co-founder and chief clinical officer of Finding You Therapy Programs, Together, we explore the profound impact of therapy and self-acceptance on the transformative journey of self-discovery and healing. Brad opens up about his journey as a therapist and how his work has profoundly impacted families, including my own. We dive into his flagship program, Finding You, which offers an immersive experience designed to help participants explore their family of origin and understand how their past shapes their present. One of the most powerful themes we discuss is the importance of vulnerability. Brad shares a poignant insight from his therapist: “The suicidal impulse is correct, but the mistake is thinking you have to kill the whole self. You just need to learn which part of yourself needs to die.” This profound perspective can help us all recognize that our greatest weaknesses can become our greatest assets. We also touch on the Enneagram and how understanding our core motivations can lead to deeper self-awareness and healthier relationships. Brad’s candid reflections on his own struggles with vulnerability and the journey of self-acceptance are both inspiring and relatable. Whether you’re familiar with the Enneagram or just starting your journey of self-discovery, this episode is a must-listen. Join us as we explore the audacity to be ourselves and learn to love our “horrible, rotten selves.” Tune in now to hear this rich conversation and discover how you can apply these insights to your own life.
S8 E42 · Fri, April 18, 2025
The Soul Beneath the Symptoms, feat. Michael J. Cusick
This week on Typology , I sat down with my dear friend, therapist and spiritual director, Michael Cusick for a raw, wise, and deeply compassionate conversation about the connection between attachments and our path to healing. Michael—founder of Restoring the Soul and a true guide for the journey inward—helps us unpack the idea that our symptoms (anxiety, compulsions, burnout, you name it) aren’t signs we’re broken…but sacred signals that our soul is calling for care. We talk about: How trauma, shame, and burnout stand in the way of our relationship with God Why “trying harder” doesn’t lead to transformation What spiritual bypassing actually looks like—and how to avoid it The Four S’s of attachment -- seeing, soothing, safety, and security – and the crucial role they play in spiritual healing This is one of those episodes you’ll want to listen to more than once and maybe share with a friend who’s in the thick of it. ==================================================== CONNECT WITH IAN : Website: https://ianmorgancron.com Podcast: https://typologypodcast.com Online Learning: https://typologyinstitute.com Find Your Type: https://typologyinstitute.com/assessment The Fix: https://ianmorgancron.com/thefix FOLLOW IAN: Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/ianmorgancron Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/ianmorgancron LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ianmorgancron/ YouTube: https://youtube.com/c/imcron <p
S8 E41 · Thu, April 10, 2025
An Enneagram Six's Journey to Open-Heartedness, feat. Jeff Chu
How do you cultivate open-heartedness? Tune in as the insightful Jeff Chu, author of the new memoir, Good Soil: The Education of an Accidental Farmhand and a self-identified Enneagram Six, shares what he learned on his journey from a successful career in journalism to the unexpected life of a farmhand at Princeton's Farminary. We explore the fascinating intersection of farming and personal growth, discussing how engaging with the land has taught Jeff invaluable lessons about trust, fear, and the beauty of second chances. As he reflects on his experiences, he reveals how farming has helped him embrace uncertainty and cultivate an open heart, even amidst anxiety. Here are a few highlights you won't want to miss: The surprising connection between farming and spiritual growth. How Jeff's experiences as an Enneagram Six have shaped his understanding of trust and community. The importance of letting go and recognizing the safety nets that support us in life. A candid discussion about the fears we all face and how to transform them into something fruitful. Whether you're a fellow Six or simply curious about the Enneagram, this episode is packed with wisdom and humor that will resonate with you. Join us as we uncover the beauty of open-heartedness and the lessons that come from tending to both soil and spirit.
S8 E40 · Thu, April 03, 2025
Smart, Not Loud: Strategies for Getting Noticed at Work with Jessica Chen
Today on Typology, we dig into the Enneagram with our special guest, Jessica Chen, an Enneagram 3 and author of the insightful book Smart, Not Loud: How to Get Noticed at Work for All the Right Reasons . Join us as we explore the unique challenges faced by quieter personality types in the workplace, particularly those identified as Enneagram 4s, 5s, 6s, and 9s. Jessica shares her personal journey of navigating a "quiet culture" and how it shaped her professional life. We discuss the importance of self-awareness, effective communication, and the strategies that can help quieter individuals find their voice and thrive in their careers. Key topics include: The significance of understanding different Enneagram types How to build your career brand and get noticed for the right reasons Practical tips for engaging in conflict and celebrating accomplishments The ARC method: Ask, Runway, Celebrate Whether you're an introvert looking to make your mark or a leader wanting to create a more inclusive environment, this episode is packed with valuable insights and actionable advice. Don't forget to check out Jessica's book and connect with her on LinkedIn for more resources! Listen now and discover how to navigate the workplace with confidence! 🔗 Links: Jessica Chen's Book: Smart, Not Loud Follow Jessica on LinkedIn, Facebook , Instagram Follow the Typology Podcast for more Enneagram discussions and tools for personal and professional growth. www.typologypodcast.com www.ianmorgancron.com Typology Institute Enneagram Assessment Watch on YouTube
S8 E39 · Thu, March 27, 2025
How to Cultivate a Deep-Rooted Marriage, feat. Dr. Dan Allender and Dr. Steve Call
Join us for an enlightening episode of the Typology Podcast as we dive deep into the complexities of marriage through the lens of the Enneagram with our special guests, Dr. Dan Allender and Dr. Steve Call. In this episode, we explore insights from their book, The Deep-Rooted Marriage: Cultivating Intimacy, Healing, and Delight . Discover how the Enneagram can provide clarity in relationships, particularly for those navigating the challenges of shame and vulnerability. Dan, an Enneagram 8, and Steve, an Enneagram 3, share their personal experiences and therapeutic wisdom on how to foster deep connection and understanding in marriage. Key topics include: The importance of curiosity in conflict resolution How to cultivate awareness and mitigate shame and contempt The role of delight and awe in nurturing intimacy Practical advice for couples at different stages of marriage Whether you're in a new relationship or have been in a partnership for decades, this conversation offers valuable wisdom for anyone looking to strengthen their relationship. Don't miss this opportunity to learn from two seasoned experts in the field! 🔔 Follow Typology Podcast to hear new episodes weekly 👍 Like and share this episode with friends and family! 👀 Watch full episodes on YouTube
S8 E38 · Thu, March 20, 2025
How to Transform Shame into Empowerment through Storytelling, feat. ESPN reporter Lauren Sisler
Is she an Enneagram Two, the Helper, or an Enneagram Three, the Achiever? Find out in today's episode with Emmy award-winning sports broadcaster, ESPN sideline reporter, author, keynote speaker, and someone known for her sideline shimmy, Lauren Sisler. Through insightful typing questions, Ian guides Lauren on an exploration of her core motivations, fears, and traits that define her personality. We unpack the nuances of the Two and the Three, the challenges of codependency, and the importance of self-care and boundaries. But this episode goes beyond just personality types. In this candid conversation, Lauren shares her powerful story of overcoming the shame associated with losing her parents to opioid addiction. She opens up about shame the stigma surrounding addiction, how it shaped her identity, and the journey of overcoming that shame through storytelling and vulnerability. Tune in for a heartfelt discussion that not only unpacks the Enneagram but also highlights the power of sharing our stories and the healing that comes from embracing our true selves.
S8 E37 · Thu, March 13, 2025
Jason Wahler's Recovery Journey: Navigating Codependency and Self-Discovery
This week we welcome the incredible Jason Wahler, a passionate advocate for addiction education and recovery. You may recognize Jason from shows like Laguna Beach , The Hills , and Celebrity Rehab with Dr. Drew . His journey through addiction and recovery is both inspiring and enlightening. In this episode, we discuss Jason's Enneagram type, which he recently discovered to be a 3 with a 2 wing. Together, we explore what this means for him personally and how it relates to his experiences in recovery. Jason shares his story of transformation, the challenges he's faced, and the profound insights he's gained along the way. Here are some highlights you won't want to miss: Understanding the Enneagram: We break down what it means to be a Type 3 and how the 2 wing influences Jason's personality and relationships. The Journey of Self-Discovery: Jason reflects on how sobriety has allowed him to reconnect with his true self and rediscover his passions. The Role of Codependency: We discuss the importance of recognizing codependent behaviors and how they can impact recovery. Practical Insights: Jason shares valuable lessons on how to maintain balance and structure in life, especially in the context of recovery. Tune in now to hear Jason's powerful story and learn how the Enneagram can provide clarity and understanding in your own life. _________________________________________________________ Guest's Links: Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/JasonWahler YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@JasonWahler Website: https://www.jasonwahler.com/ Director of Development for the Change Your Brain Foundation Change Your Brain LA Hope Fire Fighter Alyst Health: https://www.alysthealth.com/ SobrSafe: <a href="https://sobrsafe.com/" target="_blank" rel= "noopener" data-saferedirecturl= "https://www.google.com
S8 E36 · Thu, March 06, 2025
The One-to-One Seven: Unpacking the Unique Landscape of Enneagram 7s w/Justin Heap
In this episode of Typology, host Ian Cron welcomes Enneagram 7, Justin Heap, a creative consultant, certified Enneagram coach, and author. Together, they dive deep into the unique inner world of the Enneagram 7, particularly focusing on the one-to-one subtype, which often resembles the emotional depth of a four. Join Ian and Justin as they explore: The adventurous spirit of Enneagram 7s and their love for possibility The often hidden emotional landscape beneath the lighthearted exterior of sevens The impact of childhood experiences on the development of a seven's personality The relationship between fear, anxiety, and the seven's quest for freedom The fascinating connection between sevens and fours, including the allure of mysticism Practical advice for young sevens on cultivating presence and deepening relationships Whether you're a seven yourself or simply curious about the Enneagram, this episode offers valuable insights into understanding the complexities of this personality type. Don't forget to check out Justin's latest book, " By & By & Never, Poetry and Art ," and stay tuned for more enlightening discussions on the Enneagram! Listen now and discover the rich inner world of the Enneagram 7! 🔗 Visit Justin Heap's website 📚 Grab Ian's new book, " The Fix ," available everywhere fine books are sold! 👍 Like, subscribe, and share for more episodes on the mystery of human personality through the lens of the Enneagram!
S8 E35 · Sat, March 01, 2025
Navigating Difficult Conversations: LaTasha Morrison's Irenic Approach to Racial Equity and Justice
This week, our special guest, LaTasha Morrison, Enneagram 9 and the author of the award-winning New York Times bestseller, Be the Bridge shares insights from her latest book, Brown Faces, White Spaces: Confronting Systemic Racism to Bring Healing and Restoration , where she tackles the challenging topic of systemic racism with grace and compassion. Join us as we explore LaTasha's journey of finding her voice and stepping into leadership as an Enneagram Nine, even in the face of conflict. We explore the importance of truth in the work of racial reconciliation and how LaTasha navigates difficult conversations in predominantly white spaces. Discover how LaTasha's unique gifts as a bridge builder and change agent allows her to confront tough issues while fostering understanding and connection. This episode is a powerful reminder of the role of love, truth, and grace in the pursuit of justice and healing.Navi Follow LaTasha Morrison: Website: bethebridge.com Social Media: @LatashaMorrison Subscribe to Typology for more insightful conversations about personality and personal growth!
S8 E34 · Thu, February 20, 2025
Uncover Your Hidden Genius: Exploring the Intersection of Aptitudes and the Enneagram with Betsy Wills and Alex Ellison
How do your aptitudes intersect with your Enneagram type? Aptitudes are about your innate abilities. Understanding your personal aptitudes can enhance your personal and professional relationships as it allows you to "pinpoint really specific things you can celebrate, lean into, and have confidence about," explains Betsy Wills. Betsy Wills and Alex Ellison, co-authors of the insightful new book, Your Hidden Genius: The Science-Backed Strategy to Uncovering and Harnessing Your Innate Talents, join me to share their unique experiences with the Enneagram, their journey in writing their new book, and how they've made a once-expensive aptitude assessment accessible to everyone. In this episode, you’ll learn: The strengths and challenges of a One-Three working relationship How aptitudes and personality types intersect Practical advice for career wellness and personal fulfillment The significance of uncovering your innate talents Don't miss out on this engaging conversation! Tune in now and take the first step towards uncovering your hidden genius. ==================================================== ABOUT OUR GUESTS Alex Ellison is the founder of Throughline Guidance, a college and career counseling practice. Her work as a consultant has allowed her to work with individuals and organizations around the world. She writes and lectures extensively on the subject of careers and college readiness and has been a featured speaker at SXSWedu, NYU’s Stern School of Business, Northwestern University’s Alumni Association, the Kuala Lumpur International Youth Discourse, and TedX. Alex holds a degree in German and business from Northwestern University and a master’s in public policy from the University of Nevada. She lives in Santa Cruz, California. LinkedIn and Substack | www.yourhiddengenius.com Betsy Wills is the co-founder of YouScience, a national online psychometric-assessment service. She is a regular guest lecturer at Vanderbilt University and at New York University Stern School of Business and has been a featured speaker for TedX Women. She is also the Director of Marketing and Branding at Diversified Trust, a wealth management firm. She serves on the Advisory Board of the Peggy Guggenheim Museum in Venice and the Music City Center Authority in Nashville. Betsy is a graduate of Vanderbilt University and holds a Master’s of Education in Human Resource De
S8 E33 · Thu, February 13, 2025
James Rhodes on Navigating Life as an Enneagram Nine [S08-033]
In this episode of Typology, we welcome special guest James Rhodes, co-founder and president of the artist-owned record label FiXT. As an Enneagram Type 9, James shares his journey of self-discovery through the Enneagram, the impact it has had on his family and work environment, and how he integrates it into his label's culture. We discuss the challenges of being a Type 9, including navigating anger and assertiveness, and the importance of self-care. Tune in as James opens up about his personal growth, the dynamics of his 9-4 marriage, and the unique ways he channels his emotions through music. This episode is packed with insights for anyone interested in the Enneagram, personal development, and the music industry. Key Highlights: Launch of the new Typology Institute Enneagram Assessment James Rhodes' journey as a Type 9 in the music industry The impact of the Enneagram on relationships and self-awareness Navigating anger and assertiveness as a Type 9 The role of music in emotional expression Don't forget to check out the Typology Institute website and the new assessment at https:// typologyinstitute.com/assessment . Subscribe for more episodes exploring the Enneagram and personal growth!
S8 E32 · Thu, February 06, 2025
Beyond Addiction: How the 12 Steps Can Enrich Everyone's Spiritual Journey
What can we all glean from the 12 Steps? John Ortberg and I share an insightful conversation about the transformative power of the 12 steps for everyone . John, an Enneagram 3, begins by sharing his unique insights into the Enneagram and how it intersects with the journey of personal growth and spiritual development. Then, we dig into the 12 steps as a way of living. In this episode, you'll discover: The significance of the 12 steps as a design for living that can benefit everyone, not just those struggling with addiction. John's personal experiences with the Enneagram and how it has shaped his understanding of himself and his relationships. The relationship between willpower and grace, and how surrendering to a higher power can lead to profound transformation. The importance of community and fellowship in the journey of recovery and spiritual growth. Whether you're familiar with the 12 steps or new to the concept, this conversation promises to offer valuable insights that can revolutionize your life. Don't miss out on this opportunity to explore the depths of human experience and the path to deeper intimacy with God. For deeper exploration, grab a copy of: Ian Cron's " The Fix: How the Twelve Steps Offer a Surprising Path of Transformation for the Well-Adjusted, the Down-and-Out, and Everyone In Between ." John Ortberg's " STEPS: A Guide to Transforming Your Life When Willpower Isn't Enough " Subscribe for more episodes that delve into the Enneagram, personal growth, and spiritual transformation! Sponsors: This episode is sponsored by BetterHelp online therapy. Visit https://betterhelp.com/typologypodcast .
S8 E31 · Fri, January 31, 2025
The Essential Self: Unpacking the Enneagram and Internal Family Systems with Jenna Riemersma (Type 1)
Join us for an enlightening episode of Typology as we dig into the fascinating intersection of the Enneagram and Internal Family Systems (IFS) therapy with our special guest, Jenna Riemersma. Jenna, a bestselling author and certified therapist, shares her insights on how understanding our internal parts can lead to personal and spiritual transformation. In this episode, we explore: The foundational concepts of Internal Family Systems and how it relates to the Enneagram. The different categories of parts within ourselves, including exiles, managers, and firefighters. The importance of recognizing that there are no bad parts, only good parts stuck in bad roles. Practical tools for engaging with our internal systems, including a guided exercise to help you connect with your essential self. Whether you're new to the Enneagram or a seasoned practitioner, this conversation is packed with valuable insights that will help you navigate your inner world with compassion and understanding. Don't miss this opportunity to learn from Jenna's expertise and discover how you can begin to embrace all parts of yourself with compassion and curiosity. Subscribe for more episodes exploring the mystery of human personality through the lens of the Enneagram! Follow us on social media: Instagram: @TypologyPodcast Facebook: @TypologyPodcast TikTok: @ianmorgancron Listen to the full episode now!
S8 E30 · Thu, January 23, 2025
Special Episode: Ian reads Chapter One of The Fix
We’ve got a special episode for you today! With the release of my new book, The Fix , just days away, I wanted to share the first chapter with our Typology listeners. You'll hear the entire first chapter of The Fix: How the Twelve Steps Offer a Surprising Path of Transformation for the Well-Adjusted, the Down-and-Out, and Everyone In Between , recorded by yours truly from a beautiful studio here in Nashville. Recording an audiobook is really one of the coolest parts of writing a book, so I’m very excited to be able to share a sneak peek of that with you all! We'll have another great episode coming your way next Thursday with my new friend, Jenna Riemersma where we cover Internal Family Systems, the Enneagram, and Recovery. Stay tuned for that episode and if you like what you hear of the audiobook, please consider heading over to Audible and picking up an audiobook copy of The Fix.
S8 E29 · Thu, January 16, 2025
Navigating Leadership and Self-Awareness: Insights from Enneagram 8 Bethny Ricks
Join us for another episode of Typology as we dive deep into the world of the Enneagram with special guest Bethny Ricks, an Enneagram 8 and author of the new book, Face Forward: Reclaiming Hope When Everything Falls Apart . Bethny shares her unique journey with the Enneagram, discussing how it helped her understand herself in ways other assessments couldn't. With over 20 years of experience in human resources, she reflects on her corporate career, the challenges she faced, and the lessons learned along the way. In this episode, you'll discover: The importance of self-awareness and vulnerability in leadership. How the Enneagram differs from other personality assessments. Practical advice for navigating personal and professional challenges. Insights into Bethany's personal journey through a tumultuous marriage and career, leading to her newfound openness and joy. Whether you're familiar with the Enneagram or just starting your journey, this conversation offers valuable insights into personal growth, resilience, and the power of community. Find Bethany Ricks: Website: www.BethnyRicks.com Social Media: @BethnyRicks May you have love, joy, peace, healing, and rest. Until next time!
S8 E27 · Thu, January 09, 2025
Consent and Connection: How to Experience God's Presence in Everyday Life, feat. John Eldredge
Join us for a captivating episode of Typology as we dive deep into the spiritual journey with New York Times bestselling author John Eldridge! In this special interview, we explore themes from his latest book, Experience Jesus Really: Finding Refuge, Strength, and Wonder Through Everyday Encounters with God . We engage in a rich conversation about the impact of modern-day addictions, the quest for genuine experiences of God, and the importance of cultivating a spiritual life amidst the noise of our fast-paced world. John shares insights on becoming an "ordinary mystic," the significance of desire in our spiritual journeys, and practical steps to reconnect with the divine presence within us. Whether you're struggling with distractions, seeking deeper intimacy with God, or simply looking for inspiration, this episode is packed with wisdom and encouragement. Don't forget to like and follow us on ApplePodcasts, Spotify, or wherever you listen. RESOURCES FROM THIS EPISODE John Eldredge’s Website John Eldredge on Social: Instagram , Facebook , YouTube Wild At Heart Podcast Room for Good Things to Run Wild: How Ordinary People Become Every Day Saints The Pause App A Testament of Devotion , by Thomas R. Kelly Into the Silent Land: A Guide to the Christian Practice of Contemplation , by Martin Laird Ocean of Light: Contemplation, Transformation, and Liberation , by Martin Laird
S8 E27 · Thu, January 02, 2025
Room for Good Things: Josh Nadeau on Finding Beauty in Everyday Life (Enneagram 7)
Today we welcome special guest, Josh Nadeau, Enneagram 7 and author of the new book, Room for Good Things to Run Wild: How Ordinary People Become Everyday Saints . In this episode, we explore Josh's journey through addiction, recovery, and the transformative power of beauty and faith. Josh shares his personal experiences with alcoholism, the challenges of being a creative in a structured world, and how he found a deeper relationship with God through his struggles. Discover how the Enneagram can illuminate our understanding of ourselves and others, and learn about the importance of embodiment in our spiritual lives. Josh's insights on the ordinary becoming extraordinary will inspire you to see the beauty in everyday moments and the path to becoming a saint. Don't miss this heartfelt conversation that blends humor, vulnerability, and profound wisdom. Subscribe for more episodes exploring the mystery of human personality through the lens of the Enneagram!
S8 E26 · Thu, December 26, 2024
Grieve, Breathe, Receive with Steve Carter (Type 3)
How can grief operate as a transformative experience, leading to deeper self-awareness and a more authentic connection to oneself and others? Join us as we dive deep into the topic of grief through the lens of the Enneagram, featuring special guest Steve Carter, author of "Grieve, Breathe, Receive: Finding a Faith Strong Enough to Hold On." In this episode, Steve, an Enneagram 3, shares his personal journey of navigating grief after significant life changes, including the loss of his adopted father and the collapse of his professional life. We discuss the unique challenges that threes face when dealing with grief, the importance of recognizing and honoring emotions, and how to find a healthy perspective on achievement and self-worth. Steve also shares valuable insights on the intersection of grief and faith, and how embracing vulnerability can lead to healing. Whether you're grappling with your own grief or seeking to understand the experiences of others, this episode offers profound wisdom and encouragement. Don't forget to like, subscribe, and share! Connect with Steve Carter: Website: stevecarter.org Social Media: @SteveRyanCarter Follow Typology: Instagram: @typologypodcast Website: typologypodcast.com Be yourself; everyone else is already taken.
S8 E25 · Thu, December 19, 2024
Navigating the Holidays: How to Support Each Enneagram Type, feat. Christina Wilcox
Join us in this enlightening episode of Typology as we explore the intricacies of the Enneagram and how it can enhance our relationships during the holiday season. This week, we welcome Christina Wilcox, author of Take Care of Your Type and Take Care of Your Friends , who shares her journey of discovering her Enneagram type as a Six and the profound impact it has had on her life. In this episode, you'll learn: How to care for friends and family of each Enneagram type during the holidays. Strategies for managing social anxiety, especially for Sixes. The importance of being present and practicing gratitude, particularly for Fours. Whether you're looking to deepen your understanding of the Enneagram or seeking ways to foster better relationships during the festive season, this episode is packed with insights and practical advice. Don't forget to subscribe for more episodes exploring the mystery of human personality through the lens of the Enneagram! Connect with Christina Wilcox: Instagram: @ChristinaSWilcox Books by Christina Wilcox: T ake Care of Your Type: An Enneagram Guide to Self-Care Take Care of Your Friends: An Enneagram Guide to Interpersonal Relationships Follow Typology Podcast: Instagram: @TypologyPodcast Website: TypologyPodcast.com Quotes from the Episode: "Be yourself; everybody else is already taken." - Oscar Wilde "Smile. Breathe. Go Slowly." - Thich Nhat Hanh "Expectations are resentments waiting to happen." - Anne Lamott Tune in now and discover how the Enneagram can transform your holiday experience!
S8 E24 · Thu, December 12, 2024
Lessons About Suicidality from Enneagram 6, Chris Morris
Did you know that suicide is one the leading causes of death in the United States? According to the CDC , “In 2022, an estimated 13.2 million adults seriously thought about suicide, 3.8 million planned a suicide attempt, and 1.6 million attempted suicide.” Today on Typology, Enneagram 6, Chris Morris, joins us for an important and vulnerable conversation about his new book “ Resilient and Redeemed: Lessons About Suicidality from the Psych Ward .” We discuss his experiences as an Enneagram Six, the impact of trauma on personality, and his journey through mental health challenges, including a suicide attempt. Throughout this impactful conversation, Chris discloses his insights on trust, relationships, and the courage it takes to be vulnerable, especially in writing about personal struggles with depression and suicidality. We candidly explore: the intersection of faith and mental health, addressing common myths within church communities that can negatively impact mental health the importance of transparency about mental health struggles the church's role in supporting individuals with mental health conditions, and the need for inclusive communities biblical examples of mental health struggles, highlighting the importance of seeking help and the belief that healing is possible If you, or someone you know, are struggling with thoughts of suicide or self-harm, I urge to seek help. It’s vital to speak aloud the darkness you are internalizing and experiencing, and to surrender yourself into the hands of people right away before overwhelm feels irreversible. Please reach out to someone you trust or contact the National Suicide & Crisis Lifeline . They are available online or dial or text 988 from your phone. Resources: Suicide Prevention Resources for Action - Website Suicide Prevention Resources for Action - Download National Suicide & Crisis Lifeline or dial/text 988 Resili
S8 E23 · Thu, December 05, 2024
How to Set and Maintain Healthy Boundaries (S08-023)
This week, Anthony and I explore different types of boundaries, offering examples of what this might look like for various Enneagram types. Boundaries are essential to developing healthy relationships of any kind, but they’re often misunderstood or wielded incorrectly. I think of boundaries as value-based, invisible lines that we set up to take care of ourselves and our relationships. They tell people what they can expect from us in life and what we can expect from them. When we understand and maintain healthy boundaries, we escape the pitfalls of resentment and disappointment in ourselves and others, and all the anger that builds up when another person, or even a group, pushes against or violates those boundaries. I encourage you to listen to the full episode and take some notes. Follow Us on Instagram , Facebook , and YouTube Listen Now on ApplePodcast , Spotify , SoundCloud , or your favorite podcast player. Other Episodes You Might Like: How to Set Boundaries Without Losing Your Self, feat. Lysa Terkeurst Lisa-Jo Baker Sets Boundaries as an Enneagram Two
S8 E22 · Wed, November 27, 2024
Gratitude and the Enneagram: Celebrating the Gifts of Each Type (S08-022)
German-born spiritual teacher and self-help author Eckhart Tolle once wrote, "Acknowledging the good that you already have in your life is the foundation for all abundance." I found this to be true in my life as well, and as it turns out, expressing gratitude isn't just a sound spiritual practice. It's essential to our emotional and physical well-being. According to a recent study performed at Harvard Medical School, "Gratitude is strongly and consistently associated with greater happiness. Gratitude helps people feel more positive emotions, relish good experiences, improve their health, deal with adversity, and build strong relationships." How can you reap the benefits? While there are many beneficial exercises that can help you cultivate an attitude of gratitude, such as journaling, morning or evening reflections, and performing acts of kindness, many people focus their thoughts outward (Ex: I’m grateful for my children, a roof over my head, my job, etc.).It’s easy to lose sight of the good in ourselves. Instead, let’s focus inward. Tune in as Anthony and I share what we’re grateful for about each Enneagram type and why you should be too. To hear the latest episodes, follow Typology Podcast on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Overcast, or your favorite player.
S8 E21 · Thu, November 21, 2024
William Vanderbloemen on Self-Awareness and Leadership: How the Enneagram and Data-Driven Habits Can Transform Your Career
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S8 E20 · Fri, November 15, 2024
Surprising insights into the story of Christmas, feat. AJ Sherrill (Type 3)
This week we welcome back special guest and Enneagram 3, AJ Sherrill. This time, we explore AJ's journey of spiritual direction, his insights on the Enneagram, and his new book, Rediscovering Christmas: Surprising Insights into the Story You Thought You Knew . We discuss the importance of slowing down during the busy holiday season, the emotional homes we all have, and how the Christmas story can be re-examined through a fresh lens. We explore the fascinating characters from the Nativity, including the often-overlooked roles of the Innkeeper, Zechariah, and Herod, and how their stories resonate with our own lives today. Join us as we reflect on the deeper meanings beneath the story and what it truly means to encounter the divine. Plus, we speculate on the Enneagram types of various biblical figures and how their stories can guide us in our spiritual growth. This episode is packed with insights and humor that you won't want to miss!
S8 E19 · Thu, November 07, 2024
Navigating Life's Dissonance: Lessons from Even After Everything, with Stephanie Duncan Smith
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S8 E18 · Thu, October 31, 2024
The Enneagram for Teens: Tools for Connection and Growth, feat. Ainsley Britain
Have you ever wondered how to you use the Enneagram with teens? In this episode of the Typology Podcast, we welcome Ainsley Britain, author of the new book The Enneagram for Teens: A Complete Guide to Self-Discovery and Spiritual Growth . Together, we explore how the Enneagram can be a powerful tool for self-awareness and personal growth for teenagers. Ainsley shares her journey of discovering the Enneagram and how it helped her navigate the challenges of adolescence. She discusses the importance of understanding personality types in fostering empathy and connection, particularly in the parent-teen dynamic. Join us as we discuss: The significance of the Enneagram for teens and its potential to aid in self-discovery. The challenges and joys of being an Enneagram Type 2. Practical advice for parents on introducing the Enneagram to their children without forcing it. The role of mental health awareness in today’s youth and how the Enneagram can facilitate important conversations. Whether you're a parent, educator, or simply curious about the Enneagram, this episode is packed with insights and laughter that you won't want to miss! Links: Order Ainsley's book: The Enneagram for Teens Follow Ainsley on Instagram: @AinsleyB Don't forget to like, subscribe, and hit the notification bell for more episodes exploring the mystery of human personality through the lens of the Enneagram!
S8 E17 · Thu, October 24, 2024
3 Parts of the Essential Self, feat. Dr. Alison Cook (Type 3)
What is the essential self and how do we get in touch with it enough that it becomes a trusted leader for all of our parts? Today we welcome Dr. Alison Cook, therapist and host of the top-ranked podcast, The Best of You , to talk about the Internal Family Systems (IFS) model and how it can help all of us do some important healing work toward integration. We also discuss her new book, I Shouldn't Feel This Way: Name What’s Hard, Tame Your Guilt, and Transform Self-Sabotage into Brave Action . In this episode, we explore: What the 3 distinct parts of the personality are and the role each plays The 8 Cs of the Self The importance of learning to honor the inner tension of mixed emotions Dr. Cook also shares her 3-step process to reconcile mixed emotions and foster self-acceptance. Tune in for practical insights that can help you integrate your parts and find harmony with your essential self. About Dr. Alison Cook Dr. Alison Cook is a therapist and host of the top-ranked The Best of You podcast. Originally from Wyoming, Dr. Alison studied at Dartmouth College (BA), Denver Seminary (MA), and the University of Denver (PhD), where she specialized in integrating psychology and theology. Dr. Alison’s doctoral dissertation centered on the relationship between religion and prejudice. She is certified in Internal Family Systems Therapy (IFS) and is the author of the ECPA bestselling book The Best of You and coauthor of Boundaries for Your Soul, with nearly 100,000 copies sold– based on the popular IFS therapy model. Widely recognized as an expert at the intersection of faith and psychology, Dr. Alison empowers individuals to heal from past wounds, develop a strong sense of self, and forge healthy relationships. Her newest book, I Shouldn't Feel This Way: Name What’s Hard, Tame Your Guilt, and Transform Self-Sabotage into Brave Action released earlier this year.
S8 E16 · Fri, October 18, 2024
The Power of Breath: A Path to Conscious Living and Emotional Wisdom, feat. Finnian Kelly [Type 7]
Today we welcome the incredible Finnian Kelly, an Enneagram 7 and author of the groundbreaking book, Intentionality: A Groundbreaking Guide to Brain Consciousness and Radical Self-Transformation . In this episode, Finnian shares his journey of discovering his Enneagram type and the insights he's gained along the way as it pertains to his work and relationships. We discuss the significance of breathwork in cultivating intentionality and emotional awareness. Finnian shares a simple yet effective breathwork exercise that you can practice anytime you feel triggered or activated. This technique can help you pause, gain clarity, and make more conscious choices in your life. Tune in to discover valuable insights and practical tools to help you bring more intentionality into your life.
S8 E15 · Fri, October 11, 2024
What Happens Next? feat. Max Lucado [Type 3]
This week, we welcome back beloved author and pastor, Max Lucado for a meaningful conversation about a range of topics, including the emotional landscape of shame and guilt, the nuances of addiction and how it manifests in various forms beyond substance abuse, and Max’s new book What Happens Next: A Travelers’ Guide Through The End of This Age. In this episode, we explore: the distinction between guilt and shame and how these feelings can impact our relationships with ourselves, others, and God the nuances of addiction and how it manifests in various forms beyond substance abuse how the Twelve Steps offer a transformative path for everyone, regardless of their struggles what eschatology is and the significance of understanding end times in a contemporary context Whether you're navigating personal challenges, seeking deeper understanding of yourself, or curious about the intersection of faith and psychology, this episode offers valuable insights and encouragement.
S8 E14 · Thu, October 03, 2024
The Perfect Balance: How an Enneagram 1 and 7 Complement Each Other in Life and Love, feat. Drs. May and Tim Hindmarsh
Join us for an enlightening discussion with Drs. May and Tim Hindmarsh, the brilliant minds behind the podcast BS Free MD. In this episode, we explore the unique dynamics of their relationship as an Enneagram 1 (May) and an Enneagram 7 (Tim), discussing how their personality types influence their lives, careers, and marriage. Discover how they challenge traditional medical practices, share their personal journeys, and get vulnerable about their struggles and triumphs. From the challenges of perfectionism to the joys of spontaneity, this conversation is packed with insights, laughter and heartfelt moments. What You’ll Learn: The impact of the Enneagram on personal relationships How to navigate the challenges of an Enneagram 1 and Enneagram 7 Insights into the healthcare system and the importance of questioning traditional practices Tips for embracing imperfection and living a fulfilling life Don’t miss this engaging episode filled with humor, wisdom, and practical advice. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Resources from this episode: Internal Family Systems by Richard Schwartz, Ph.D. Dopamine Nation by Anne Lembke, M.D. Fentanyl, Inc. by Ben Westhoff BS Free MD podcast with Drs. May and Tim Hindmarsh Pre-Order Ian’s new book, The Fix , available January 28th
S8 E13 · Thu, September 26, 2024
The Narrow Path: Embracing Pain and Transformation with Rich Villodas (Type 7)
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S8 E12 · Thu, September 19, 2024
Awakening to Wholeness: Navigating Midlife with Chip Conley (Type 3)
This week we dive deep into the transformative journey of midlife with the incredible Chip Conley, author of "Learning to Love Midlife: 12 Reasons Why Life Gets Better with Age." Chip, an Enneagram 3, shares his personal experiences and insights on navigating the complexities of identity, success, and the quest for authenticity as we age through the lens of the Enneagram. Chip beautifully articulates the transition from the ego-driven pursuits of the first half of life to a more soulful existence in the second half and shares how this shift can lead to a more fulfilling and meaningful life. We also explore: the importance of editing our lives to focus on what truly matters, emphasizing the value of clarity and intentionality as we curate our second act. the idea of awakening to wholeness as we age, integrating various aspects of ourselves and embracing the beauty of our unique journeys. Listen now to gain valuable insights that can help you embrace this stage of life with open arms and a renewed sense of purpose.
S8 E11 · Thu, September 12, 2024
Joel Smallbone Shifts His Narrative (Type 3)
It’s a mistake to presume your way of seeing the world is normal because that means every time you meet someone with a different way of seeing the world, if it’s different than yours, you will feel justified in judging them abnormal. But the Enneagram teaches there are actually nine normal ways of seeing the world, not just yours. Part of emotional and spiritual growth is the capacity to recognize the complexities of human personalities and to expand the aperture of our own lens. Today, Anthony and I welcome the talented artist, musician, filmmaker, actor (and Enneagram 3), Joel Smallbone, to the show. We begin our conversation with an exploration of Joel’s personal experience with the Enneagram and he shares how the Enneagram helped open the doors of understanding within his marriage. As our conversation progresses, Joel reflects on the process of creating “Unsung Hero,” and the profound impact playing the part of his father has had in his understanding of his father, and of how he relates to the world. As Joel explains, “What [it] has done for me is inverted the narrative, and it’s gone, well, hang on, yeah, you’re not quite as awesome as you maybe thought you were. And hang on, there’s other people’s stories. And hang on, there’s other people’s perspectives. […] So instead of me walking into the room simply sitting, going, who are you? Who are all you in relation to me? I’m almost arguably saying, “who am I in relation to you?” Join us as we navigate these themes and celebrate the beauty of the human personality.
S8 E10 · Thu, September 05, 2024
Should You Stay or Should You Leave? feat. Emily P. Freeman (Type 4)
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S8 E9 · Fri, August 30, 2024
Scott Allender Homes in on the Enneagram and Emotional Intelligence
How does knowing a person’s personality style help you in leadership development? In today’s replay, Scott Allender, Senior Vice President of Talent Strategy & Development at Warner Music Group, explains the concept of emotional intelligence, shares how he uses the Enneagram in team building and leadership development, and highlights the importance of being more thoughtful and intentional about developing leaders' capacity and not just capabilities. Scott will be joining us as a special guest in September for our Typology Institute Town Hall to dig deeper into the topic of Emotional Intelligence and Integration. If you’re not yet an Enneagram Explorer, we’d love to have you join us in the discussion. Head over to the Typology Institute to gain acceess today.
S8 E8 · Thu, August 22, 2024
Part 2: Navigating Grief and Growth - Insights from Christina Rasmussen
Grief takes many forms and can be a complex and individual experience. It’s not limited to major life events. Life is full of small, invisible losses. In part 2 of our conversation with acclaimed grief educator and bestselling author, Christina Rasmussen explains what she means by “invisible losses” and the impact they can have on our lives over time: “our perception of self shifts out of what we know about ourselves and it changes…when that happens, we lose what I call the original self and what the original self is.” In today’s episode, you’ll learn: what invisible losses are how to recognize our three inner narratives, and the importance of reconnecting with your original self Tune in for valuable insights on navigating grief and reconnecting with your original self.
S8 E7 · Fri, August 16, 2024
Part 1: Navigating Grief and Growth – Insights from Christina Rasmussen’s Invisible Loss (Type 8)
This week we welcome the incredible Christina Rasmussen as our guest. In part one of this two-part conversation, we dig into the topics of grief, personality types, and self-discovery through the lens of the Enneagram. In this episode, we explore: Christina's personal journey of loss and how it led her to become a grief educator and author The multifaceted nature of grief that goes beyond traditional stereotypes Unique insights into how different personality types navigate grief and life challenges The nuances of the Enneagram 8 including the interplay between traits like strength, vulnerability, and projection How engaging in shadow work, self-reflection and continuous growth cultivates authenticity, compassion and resilience Christina's wisdom and authenticity shine through, offering a powerful perspective on navigating life's challenges with courage and compassion. Tune in to discover more about Christina's work and insights on grief and the Enneagram.
S8 E6 · Thu, August 08, 2024
Authenticity: Finding balance in the public sphere as an Enneagram 4, feat. Liz Marie Galvan
Today, we're joined by Liz Marie Galvin, author, blogger, and Enneagram 4. Liz shares how learning her Enneagram type has impacted her self-awareness and personal growth and the discusses some of the tools she uses to navigate the rich emotional landscape of being a Type 4. The conversation concludes with a discussion on the subtypes of Type 4 and how they manifest in different ways. We also dig into the challenges of being in the public space and curating an authentic persona online, exploring the Type 4's struggle with envy and the pressure to share vulnerable moments on social media.
S8 E5 · Thu, August 01, 2024
The Joy Challenge, feat. Randy Frazee [S08-005)
How do you find joy in a world riddled with anxiety? Today, we are joined by Randy Frazee, an Enneagram 3, pastor, and author of “The Joy Challenge” to explore the concept of joy and the science behind happiness. Randy shares his insights on finding joy in challenging circumstances and offers practical tips for increasing joy in our daily lives. He emphasizes that though joy and happiness are closely related, joy is characterized by inner contentment and purpose. He offers a few principles from the book of Philippians that can lead to joy, including seeking reconciliation in relationships, practicing unconditional love, and cultivating gratitude, highlighting the scientific evidence supporting the power of gratitude in overcoming anxiety and depression. Join us for this wonderful conversation and start your “joy challenge” today. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Randy Frazee is a pastor at Westside Family Church in Kansas City. A frontrunner and innovator in spiritual formation and biblical community, Randy is the architect of The Story and Believe church engagement campaign. He is also the author of The Heart of the Story; Think, Act, Be Like Jesus; What Happens After You Die; His Mighty Strength; The Connecting Church 2.0; and The Christian Life Profile Assessment. He has been married to his high school sweetheart, Rozanne, for more than forty years. They have four children and five grandchildren, with more on the way! To learn more about his work and ministry go to randyfrazee.com.
S8 E4 · Thu, July 25, 2024
The Healing Power of Forgiveness and Self-Love: Lessons from a Hospice Chaplain, feat. Bryan Crum [S08-004]
In this episode of Typology, we delve into the intriguing world of the Enneagram 7 with special guest Bryan Crum, author of the book "Neighbor, Love Yourself, Discover Your Value, Live Your Worth." Bryan’s unique journey as a hospice chaplain for a decade adds a fascinating layer to the conversation, showcasing the unexpected intersection of a joyful Enneagram 7 personality with the profound experiences of confronting mortality and reflecting on life. We explore the concept of forgiveness and the role it plays in recovering one's self-worth, drawing parallels between personal growth and spiritual development. Bryan emphasizes the powerful process of re-storying, countering past regrets and doubts, and embracing forgiveness as important components for healing. The episode is sure to leave a lasting impression. Tune in from your favorite platform.
S8 E3 · Thu, July 18, 2024
Embracing Contemplative Practices: Finding Wholeness in Midlife, feat. Ben Katt
Driven by a need to be seen as successful and accomplished in the eyes of others, Enneagram 3s are known for constantly “doing” and striving for recognition. However, this constant drive for achievement can lead to burnout, as they push themselves to their limits in pursuit of their goals. Today, we welcome meditation teacher and spiritual coach, Ben Katt, who shares his experience with burnout and how committing to contemplative practices such as silence, solitude, and stillness, helped him heal. These practices, which may seem counterintuitive to a Three’s productivity-oriented mindset, are essential for well-being and personal growth. Join us as we discuss the concept of midlife as a pivotal moment for reflection and explore the ritual practices that can awaken us.
S8 E2 · Thu, July 11, 2024
Transforming relationships with true intimacy, feat. Dr. Carol Tanksley
This week, we welcome back Dr. Carol Tanksley, author of "Sexpectations: Reframing Your Good and Not-So-Good Stories About God, Love, and Relationships." Dr. Tanksley brings a unique perspective shaped by her extensive background as a former OBGYN and reproductive endocrinologist, offering a compassionate exploration of human sexuality, intimacy and relationships. Dr. Tanksley sheds light on several misconceptions surrounding sex, aiming to challenge and reshape our perspectives. Drawing from her clinical experience, she provides valuable insights on how we all can begin to heal from societal and personal misconceptions about sexuality. Moreover, we delve into the profound significance of true intimacy in fostering strong and healthy relationships. Dr. Tanksley emphasizes the importance of understanding and nurturing intimacy beyond mere physicality, advocating for a deeper emotional and spiritual connection between partners. This episode of promises valuable reflections and practical advice from Dr. Carol Tanksley. Join us as we explore the complexities of human sexuality with empathy and wisdom.
S8 E1 · Thu, July 04, 2024
Learning to Reconnect: A Path to Self-Acceptance with Carlos Whittaker
This week on Typology, we welcome back Carlos Whittaker, author, podcaster, and global speaker…and Enneagram 3. If you remember, last time he was on the show, Carlos thought he was an Enneagram 9. We suggested he investigate the Enneagram 3, and that’s what we talk about today, as well as his brand-new book, Reconnected: how seven screen-free weeks with monks and Amish farmers helped me recover the lost art of being human. Carlos shares his journey of self-discovery and vulnerability as he embarked on a seven-week screen-free experience that allowed him to uncover layers of his personality and confront feelings of loneliness, shame, and grief. He shares how this experience helped him discover and appreciate the importance of solitude, authenticity, and true connection. Carlos' story serves as a powerful reminder of the ongoing process of self-discovery and the courage it takes to confront our true selves. If you're interested in exploring the Enneagram, understanding the Type 3 personality, or simply seeking inspiration for your own journey of self-discovery, I encourage you to listen to this episode. You can tune in to the podcast on your favorite platform or visit our website to listen to this enlightening conversation with Carlos Whittaker. Wishing you all a safe holiday and a week filled with self-reflection and growth. Learn more about Carlos Whittaker https://caroloswhittaker.com https://www.instagram.com/loswhit/ https://www.facebook.com/carloswhittaker https://twitter.com/loswhit https://www.tiktok.com/@carloswhittaker
S7 E50 · Thu, June 27, 2024
Harnessing the Dazzling Mind: Strategies for Enneagram 7s to Thrive, feat. Dr. Jeff Karp
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S7 E49 · Thu, June 20, 2024
Trust and Let Go: Confronting Fear with Jonathan Merritt (Enneagram 3)
Award-winning columnist and commentator on politics, spirituality, and culture, Jonathan Merritt returns to Typology to explore the challenges of authenticity, fear and his journey towards self-compassion. Jonathan opens up about his personal experiences reconciling his identity with his upbringing, the role fear has played in his life, and how he’s learning to trust and let go. We discuss his new children's book, "My Gunkle and Me," a heartwarming story that celebrates individuality and inclusivity. As Jonathan explains, “the ways in which you are different from the majority of people in this world. Those differences are not liabilities. They're your gifts to the world. They're the things that make you, you.” Join us for this enlightening but deeply moving conversation, offering a powerful reminder of the transformative power of self-compassion and acceptance.
S7 E48 · Fri, June 14, 2024
The Way of Love in a World of Hurt: A Conversation with Charlie Peacock and Andi Ashworth
Today, we had the pleasure of speaking with Charlie Peacock and Andi Ashworth, authors of the new book, " Why Everything That Doesn't Matter Matters So Much, The Way of Love in a World of Hurt ." In this episode, Charlie and Andi share their experiences discovering their types and their personal reflections on how the Enneagram has contributed to them understanding themselves better. From the complexities of being a Four to the challenges of living with chronic pain as a Seven, this conversation is rich with insights, vulnerability, and wisdom as we explore themes of empathy, creativity, grief, and the pursuit of meaning in life. If you want to gain a deeper understanding of the Enneagram, explore the complexities of the human personality, and discover how to navigate life's challenges with grace and resilience, this episode is a must-listen. Join us on this enlightening and heartfelt conversation with Charlie and Andi.
S7 E47 · Thu, June 06, 2024
Exploring the Power of Storytelling: Insights from Allison Fallon and Donald Miller
In this captivating episode of Typology, we delve into the power of storytelling with two incredible guests, author Allison Fallon (Enneagram 4) and business educator and author Donald Miller (Enneagram 3). The episode centers around Allie's new book, " Write Your Story: A Simple Framework to Understand Yourself, Your Story, and Your Purpose in the World. " Allison shares her experience as a storyteller and the driving force behind her work. She discusses the importance of finding the unique angle in every person's story and the deep connection between storytelling and self-discovery. She explains, "every person has something interesting to say," and sharing our stories through the process of writing and examining our own lives is what leads to healing and transformation. As the episode unfolds, Don adds his insights into the power of narrative and the asks some great life questions about the human experience. Tune in as we highlight the importance of self-reflection, authenticity, and the healing power of sharing your story. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- <p data-pm-slice= "1 1 ["aiblock",{"prompt":"","preview":false,"block":{"id":"blk_01HZNYD7RB0E56GRFNPWWZZBDX","status":"succeeded","type":"prompt","selected_variation":0,"variations":["# Podcast Episode Synopsis: \"Exploring the Power of Storytelling with Allie Fallon and Don Miller\"\n\nIn this captivating episode of Typology, the host, Ian Cron, delves into the power of storytelling with two incredible guests, author Allie Fallon and Enneagram 3, Don Miller. The episode centers around Allie's new book, \"Write Your Story: A Simple Framework to Understand Yourself, Your Story, and Your Purpose in the World.\"\n\nThe episode kicks off with a warm welcome to the guests, highlighting Allie's background as an author, speaker, and founder of Find Your Voice. Ian introduces the theme of the episode, exploring the mystery of human personality through the lens of the Enneagram and the transformative nature of storytelling.\n\nAllie, an Enneagram 4 with a strong three-wing, shares her personal narrative as a storyteller and the driving force behind her work. She discusses the importance of finding the unique angle in every person's story and the deep connection between storytelling and self-discovery.\n\nDon Miller, also an Enneagram 3, adds his insights into the power of narrative and the transformative journey of writing one's story. He reflects on the scarlet thread that runs through his life and the evolving story question that drives his personal narrative.\n\nThe conversation delves into the healing and transformational aspects of writing memoirs, with Allie sharing her own experience of finding healing and closure through writing about a challenging life event. The guests discuss the importance of authenticity, vulnerability, and gratitude in the storytell
S7 E46 · Thu, May 30, 2024
A Shift in Perspective, feat. Don Miller (Enneagram 4)
What leads to radical transformation? Shifting your perspective from a victim mindset to a hero mindset. Don Miller returns to Typology to share the role the Enneagram played in his journey out of the victim hole to more empowered perspective. “It’s a story of a person who identified as a victim transforming into a person who identifies much more of a person who’s playing a more meaningful role on the planet, and also considers victim mentality to be the enemy of self-development, progress, and happiness,” Don explains. Today, we explore the: Three subtypes of an Enneagram 4 and how they manifest in unique ways Importance of self-exploration and introspection for personal growth Role of readiness, desire and surrender for lasting change Join us for this great conversation about transformation and shifting perspectives on life. Find Don Miller on: YouTube: youtube.com/coachbuilder Instagram: @donaldmiller and @storybrand Website: coachbuilder.com -------------------------------------------- MORE EPISODES? Follow typologypodcast on Apple Podcast, Spotify or your favorite podcast platform to get new episodes each week. ENNEAGRAM RESOURCES: https://typologyinstitute.com ENNEAGRAM TEST: https://typologyinstitute.com/assessment
S7 E45 · Fri, May 24, 2024
The New Rules of Attachment, feat. Dr. Judy Ho (Type 8)
When we’re born into this world, we’re just soaking everything up, trying to figure ourselves out and learning about other people and our place in the world. “Those initial lessons become imprinted into our later childhood and adulthood as rules of thumb for how we should operate in the world,” explains Dr. Judy Ho. The way we develop bonds, learn to attach (or not) to people in childhood impacts impacts every aspect of our lives: friendships, careers, goal-setting, and our sense of self. But what if you could learn to become securely attached, even as an adult? How can you reclaim your ability to feel safe, loved, and capable of thriving? In today’s rich conversation with Dr. Judy Ho, we explore: The four attachment styles The relationship between attachment style and Enneagram type How to reparent your inner child and start the journey toward secure attachment ABOUT DR. JUDY HO Dr. Judy Ho, Ph. D., ABPP, ABPdN is a triple board certified and licensed Clinical and Forensic Neuropsychologist, a tenured Associate Professor at Pepperdine University, and author of Stop Self-Sabotage. An avid researcher and a two-time recipient of the National Institute of Mental Health Services Research Award, Dr. Judy maintains a private practice where she specializes in comprehensive neuropsychological assessments and expert witness work. You can learn more about Dr. Judy Ho and her work on her website or in her new book, The New Rules of Attachment, How to Heal Your Relationships, Reparent Your Inner Child and Secure Your Life Vision .
S7 E44 · Thu, May 16, 2024
Finding a Sense of Belonging, feat. Chris and Julie Bennett [S07-044]
What does it mean to truly belong? Today’s guests, Chris and Julie Bennett, authors of the book 'Fighting for Family: The Relentless Pursuit of Building Belonging, join me for a heartfelt discussion about what it means to build strong relationships and find a space where you belong. They share personal insights and experiences that highlight the importance of vulnerability, honesty, and bringing your whole self to the table in order to create a space where everyone feels accepted and valued. In this episode, we also explore: The importance of getting in touch with anger for the personal growth of Enneagram 9s Fighting for the things that truly matter Facing the good and bad truths about yourself as a pathway for healing Tune in as we reflect on the power of embracing vulnerability, honoring our differences, and extending forgiveness to cultivate communities of belonging. Connect with Chris and Julie: https://fightingforfamily.org https://facebook.com/chrisandjuliebennett https://instagram.com/chrisbennett143 https://instagram.com/juliebennett
S7 E43 · Thu, May 09, 2024
John Mark Comer on Learning to Love and Delight in Goodness (Type 1)
New York Times bestselling author John Mark Comer returns to Typology to share what he’s working on personally, his struggle with control and perfectionism, and the need for self-effort AND grace in spiritual formation. He reminds us that spiritual formation isn’t just a religious thing, it’s a human thing. We are all being formed by someone or something. So how do we ensure we reach our full potential and deepest connection? From his new book, Practicing the Way, John Mark explains the importance of crafting a rule of life to support spiritual growth and deep transformation. Join us as we discuss obstacles to growth and the path to renewal through the lens of an Enneagram One. ------------------------------------------------------------------- John Mark Comer is the New York Times bestselling author of multiple books including The Ruthless Elimination of Hurry (more than half a million sold) and Live No Lies. His new book is the New York Times and USA Today bestseller Practicing the Way: Be with Jesus. Become like him. Do as he did. He’s a founding pastor of Bridgetown Church in Portland, Oregon, and a teacher and writer with Practicing the Way. After serving as the lead pastor of Bridgetown Church in Portland, Oregon, for nearly two decades, John Mark and his family now reside in Los Angeles, where he serves as a teacher in residence on discipleship and spiritual formation at Vintage Church LA. His podcasts, “John Mark Comer Teachings” & “Rule of Life,” have been ranked on top religion and spirituality podcast charts in the US and UK.
S7 E42 · Thu, May 02, 2024
Mindset: The Ultimate Catalyst for Change, feat. renowned health expert Dr. Josh Axe
This week we have a real treat for you as we invite renowned health and wellness expert, Dr. Josh Axe, to the table for a riveting conversation on the Enneagram 8 and mindset. We explore the balance of strength and empathy, delve into the complexities of shifting your mindset, and the impact of balancing virtues on the path to lasting transformation. Dr. Axe opens up about the life-altering wisdom he gained from his grandfather—where character trumps achievement—an ethos that values presence and compassion over material success. From the stories of legendary figures to the principles outlined in his new book, "Think This, Not That," Dr. Axe invites you to reshape your desires and refocus on what truly matters. Join us for an episode that promises to challenge and inspire your personal development. ----------- About Dr. Josh Axe Dr. Josh Axe, DC, DNM, CNS, is a certified doctor of natural medicine and clinical nutritionist with a passion to help people use food, lifestyle and mindset medicine to heal and prevent illness. Dr. Axe is a graduate of Johns Hopkins University earning his Masters of Science in Organizational Leadership. Josh is the cofounder and CVO of Ancient Nutrition and founder of DrAxe.com, one of the top natural health websites in the world today. His company ranked on the Inc. 500 fastest growing companies two years in a row. In 2008, he started a functional medicine center in Nashville, which grew to become one of the most renowned clinics in the world. He is the bestselling author of Eat Dirt, Keto Diet, and Ancient Remedies. His fast-growing show and podcast, The Dr. Josh Axe Show, covers the topics of health, mindset, personal growth and spiritual growth. Dr. Axe is an expert in topics including nutrition, natural medicine, mental health, self-development, and leadership. Josh is married to his wife, Chelsea, and they have two daughters. They live between Nashville, TN and Dorado, PR and enjoy cooking, staying active swimming and cycling, and prioritize time for their faith and family.
S7 E41 · Thu, April 25, 2024
Healing the Heart for True Transformation, feat. Chris Cook (Enneagram One)
True transformation occurs when we reach a point of defeat and surrender to a higher power. When we open ourselves up in a posture of receptivity and allow forgiveness, mercy and power to enter our lives, true healing from the heart can begin. Today, pastor, leadership coach, and podcast host Christopher Cook returns to discuss the process of transformation through the lens of the Enneagram. We explore the limitations of willpower, self-help books, and life hacks on the spiritual journey and the intentional effort required to find wholeness from the inside out. Learn the power of securing your thoughts, examining motivating factors, exposing lies and focusing on the truth and how they lead to lasting change. Listen to Typology ----------------------------------------------------------------- About Chris Cook Christopher Cook is a pastor, leadership coach, and podcast host focused on transformation and wholeness, and the author of Healing What You Can’t Erase: Transform Your Mental, Emotional, and Spiritual Health from the Inside Out . With an aptitude for strategy and execution, he is able to unearth clarity out of complexity, which drives his mission to help individuals and organizations thrive in their true identity. His weekly podcast, Win Today with Christopher Cook, equips wellness-minded listeners to move beyond the limitations of self-help and instead toward an integrated life of wholeness from the inside out. Christopher resides in suburban Detroit, Michigan. Connect with him online at wintoday.tv and on social media @WINTODAYChris.
S7 E40 · Thu, April 18, 2024
Using the Enneagram in the Entertainment Industry, feat. Gary Wheeler (Enneagram 9)
Have you ever wondered how the Enneagram intersects with the entertainment industry? Do casting directors and writers use the Enneagram in developing your favorite show or movie? Whether it’s Parks and Recreation, Modern Family or Les Misérables, sometimes you can see the archetypes play themselves out on screen. This week, we sit down with multi-award-winning producer, writer and director Gary Wheeler for an illuminating conversation about film and the Enneagram. As an Enneagram 9, Gary shares his experience with asserting himself on set, dealing with conflict, and writing scripts from the voice of each character. As Gary states, “My strengths as a writer tend to be in dialogue […] and here’s why…because I’m a nine, I can see all perspectives. […] it’s easy for me to hear their voices.” With almost 30 years of experience in the film industry, Gary has made more than 40 motion picture and TV productions seen by millions of viewers on platforms including Netflix, Amazon Prime, Peacock, Redbox, Fox Nation, INSP and many more. His works include #1 box office hit War Room , Emmy-nominated The Heart of Christmas , 20 th Century’s The Trial , and the award-winning western Far Haven . His new television series Blue Ridge starring Johnathon Schaech, Sarah Lancaster and A Martinez released on April 7, 2024.
S7 E39 · Thu, April 11, 2024
Fixer to Fabulous' Jenny and Dave Marrs Explore Their Enneagram Types
Get ready for a fun interview with HGTV’s Fixer to Fabulous stars, Jenny and Dave Marrs! We started the show thinking Dave and Jenny were both Enthusiasts, but when Jenny radiates a different energy than Dave, the conversation takes a turn. We kick off with an exploration of Type 7 characteristics, including their enthusiasm, future orientation, and tendency to avoid pain and discomfort. Then, we get into a pseudo typing interview to figure out what personality traits resonate with Jenny, covering her energy level as compared to Daves and how she feels about conflict and decision-making. About Jenny and Dave Marrs: Jenny and Dave have been restoring and renovating historic homes since 2004. Now as stars of HGTV's "Fixer to Fabulous," they showcase their work in their beautiful hometown and surrounding area of Bentonville, Arkansas, to millions of viewers while staying true to their renovation philosophy: a home should reflect the personality of the ones who live there. Their spinoff series, "Fixer to Fabulous: Italiano," kicked off in March 2024 and Jenny released her book " House + Love = Home: Creating Warm, Intentional Spaces for a Beautiful Life " in November 2023. You can find Jenny and Dave on Instagram and Facebook , or visit their website .
S7 E38 · Thu, April 04, 2024
Befriending feelings to find wholeness, feat. Dr. Carol Tanksley (Enneagram 5)
Dr. Carol Tanksley joins Typology to discuss her journey of self-discovery and the powerful impact learning to see her emotions as knowledge has had on her life. As Dr. Tanksley explains, “When I finally started to understand that it was not knowledge that I needed to quote ‘fix me,’ then I started to make progress. […] Things started to change in my life. I started to come to terms with the emotional and feeling part of me, hence the wing four. I had all kinds of feelings. They were there all the time.” Learning to befriend our feelings opens the door to wholeness and true connection. In this episode, you’ll learn: How Dr. Tanksley discovered her Enneagram type A few practices to help fives connect with their feelings Importance of understanding emotions as information Dr. Carol Tanksley Resources www.DrCarolMinistries.com Instagram | X : | Facebook YouTube Podcast: Relationship Prescriptions with Dr. Carol Sexpectations: reframing your good and not-so-good stories about God, love, and relationships
S7 E37 · Thu, March 28, 2024
A Journey of Healing and Vulnerability, with Molly Stillman (Enneagram 2)
In this week’s episode, Molly Stillman, the author of the book "If I Don't Laugh, I'll Cry: How Death, Debt, and Comedy Led to a Life of Faith, Farming, and Forgetting What I Came into This Room For," opens up about her struggles with grief and learning to face hard truths and tough emotions head-on. We explore the complexities of being an Enneagram Two, the importance of genuine vulnerability, and learning to share her story as a powerful tool for healing, connecting with others, and sharing the human experience. Highlighting the importance of self-reflection and the power of storytelling, Molly’s journey serves as an inspiration for others to embrace their own vulnerabilities and seek healing.
S7 E36 · Thu, March 21, 2024
Epidemic of Loneliness through the lens of the Enneagram, with Max Lucado
The statistics for loneliness are startling, not just for children but for the human population in general. According to recent research, 61% of Americans report often feeling lonely. The fact of the matter is that loneliness is a universally felt emotion that doesn’t discriminate. It starts young…and it’s growing. Today, we welcome esteemed bestselling author Max Lucado for a timely discussion about the epidemic of loneliness in today’s connected age and the impact on human connection. We explore what was on Max’s heart when he wrote his new children's book, “Just in Case You Ever Feel Alone,” and delve into how different Enneagram types might experience and cope with loneliness, highlighting the importance of self-awareness, community, and seeking honest feedback as a tool for true closeness.
S7 E35 · Thu, March 14, 2024
Attachment Theory in Action: Understanding Relationship Styles with Dr. Anita Knight Kuhnley
Today, we had the pleasure of exploring the intricacies of personality and attachment styles with our esteemed guest, Dr. Anita Knight Kuhnley, a mastermind in counselor education and supervision, and the author behind the transformative works, "The Mr. Rogers Effect" and "The Four Relationship Styles." Dr. Kuhnley enlightens us on the four relationship styles – the firefighter, the investigator, the security guard, and the networker. Each style, rooted in attachment theory, offers a unique lens through which we can understand our behaviors in relationships, especially under stress. 🌟 Highlights of the episode: Dr. Kuhnley's personal Enneagram journey: Five or Nine? Insightful connections between Enneagram types and attachment styles. A sneak peek into Dr. Kuhnley's latest book and how understanding your relationship style can lead to more intimate connection. Whether you're a long-time Enneagram enthusiast or just starting your journey, this episode is packed with insights that will leave you pondering and wanting more. 🎧 Tune in now to join the conversation and discover more about yourself and the people around you. P.S. Embrace the human adventure with us. Subscribe, listen, and let the transformation begin!
S7 E34 · Thu, March 07, 2024
Humility: The Secret to Inner Peace, feat. Dr. Joel Muddamalle (Type 3)
This week we welcome Enneagram 3, Dr. Joel Muddamalle Director of Theology and Research at Proverbs 31 Ministries and Theologian in Residence with Haven Place Ministries. Author of the new book, The Hidden Peace: Finding True Security, Strength, and Confidence Through Humility , Dr. Muddamalle shares the route to inner peace – through humility. Tune in as we explore: The three Ps of humility How the Enneagram became a huge part of Dr. Muddamalle’s journey into a place of humility, and The important role of self-awareness and humor in cultivating humility
S7 E33 · Thu, February 29, 2024
Part 2: Exploring Frienships and the Enneagram, with Amy Weatherly (Type 9) and Jess Johnston (Type 7)
This week we continue our conversation with best friend duo Amy Weatherly (9w8) and Jess Johnston (7w8), co-founders of the viral page all about friendship, Sister, I Am with You . In Part 2, we explore: what each Enneagram type looks for and needs in a friendship how to deal with conflict in relationships and friendships when it's time to end a friendship and how to do it well In an age where everything is about division, this conversation is a breath of fresh air about people coming together to forge meaningful friendships. P.S. Don't forget to follow Typology Podcast on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or your favorite podcast player to get weekly episodes in your feed.
S7 E32 · Thu, February 22, 2024
Part 1: Exploring Friendships and the Enneagram, feat. Amy Weatherly (9w8) and Jess Johnston (7w8)
Best friend duo Amy Weatherly (9w8) and Jess Johnston (7w8), co-founders of the viral page all about friendship, Sister, I Am with You , join us for an inspirational look into the hows and whys of doing life together in a culture that constantly tries to keep us separate. In Part 1 of this two-part episode, co-authors of the Wall Street Journal bestseller I’ll Be There (But I’ll Be Wearing Sweatpants) , and Here For It (the GOOD, the BAD, and the QUESO) , Amy and Jess share the impact of the Enneagram on friendships and learning to accept and love people not just as they are, but for who they could become. “The enneagram is such an important tool for friendship because I know, accepting the hard, moving through the hard, I feel like the Enneagram helps me understand my friends and where they’re coming from on such a better level. To love people as they are. I think it’s a really powerful tool for loving people as they are and for taking some misunderstanding out of the equation,” explains Jess. Listen as we explore: how Amy and Jess first clicked over their shared passion for the Enneagram and how it has shaped their friendship what it’s like for a 9 and 7 to build connection and work together the definition and purpose of friendship They remind us that building connections is not easy. It requires intentional investment to accept and move through the hard pieces that establish authentic friendship. Tune in next week as we continue the conversation and explore what each Enneagram type looks for and needs in a friendship.
S7 E31 · Thu, February 15, 2024
The Journey from Addiction to Authenticity: John Schaech and Julie Solomon’s Tale of Recovery [S07-031]
This week we revisit our conversation with accomplished actor and screenwriter John Schaech, known for his roles in "That Thing You Do" and the upcoming series "Blue Ridge," and his wife, Julie Solomon, a top branding coach, best-selling author, and podcast host. Together, they share their insights into how the Enneagram has shaped their personal and professional lives. In this episode, we explore: How John and Julie navigate their relationship dynamics as an Enneagram Four with a Five Wing and a Three with a Two Wing. The impact of past-oriented and future-oriented perspectives in their marriage. John's courageous story of addiction and recovery, and how it has transformed his life and career. Julie's experience with Al-Anon and her path to self-discovery and healing. This episode is a testament to the power of self-reflection, the courage to redefine personal beliefs, and the strength found in sobriety. It's a story of hope, growth, and the beauty of self-acceptance. 📚 Get Julie Solomon's book " Get What You Want: How to Go from Unseen to Unstoppable " wherever books are sold. 🎬 Stay tuned for John Sheck's new series " Blue Ridge " coming in 2024. 🎧 Listen to Julie's podcast " The Influencer Podcast " for more insights on personal branding and marketing. --------------------------------------------------------------------- We'd love to hear your feedback and experiences. Share your stories with us by following us on social media @TypologyPodcast. If you're enjoying the podcast, please consider leaving us a review on your favorite podcast platform. Your support means the world to us.
S7 E30 · Thu, February 08, 2024
The Good News About Anxiety, feat. Dr. David Rosmarin [S07-030]
We’re amid an epidemic of anxiety. It affects all of us, our children, our peers, our partners. Yet, what if we could reframe anxiety in a new way that helps people live in a healthy relationship with something we all experience…something it means to be human? Our guest, Dr. David Rosmarin, Enneagram 3w2, associate professor at Harvard Medical School, program director at McLean Hospital, founder of the Center for Anxiety, and international expert on spirituality and mental health joins me for a much needed conversation about accepting anxiety as a natural part of life and learning to lean into it as a tool for positive change. In today’s episode, Dr. Rosmarin and I explore: What brings up anxiety for Dr. Rosmarin The distinction between fear, anxiety, stress and worry Triggers of anxiety for different Enneagram types We also highlight a couple of practical tools provided in Dr. Rosmarin's book, 'Thriving with Anxiety,' which offers actionable strategies for managing anxiety in everyday life.
S7 E29 · Thu, February 01, 2024
Exploring Shadow Work through the Enneagram, with Seth Abram [S07-029]
In this episode, Enneagram guru Seth Abram returns to the show for an in depth conversation about Shadow Work. The shadow refers to the unconscious aspects of ourselves that we hide or deny. “Really the concept of the shadow is all about what elements in our psyche are unknown to us, what’s outside of our regular awareness [...] it’s not just what’s outside of our awareness, but it’s also what discomforts the sense of self we wish to have,” explains Seth. “Within me, it’s what is true of me that when it’s brought to my awareness, I find it super problematic. It’s threatening to me, it’s contradictory to what I profess my values are.” Only by welcoming and integrating our shadow aspects, can we grow our definition of ourselves and become more authentic and whole. We’ll explore: What the shadow is How self-examination through the Enneagram helps with shadow work What each type denies to be true about themselves Today’s discussion offers valuable insights for anyone interested in shadow work and self-discovery. To hear the rest of our conversation with Seth where we explore practices and tools to help you with your shadow work, become a Typology Institute Member to gain access to our exclusive membership podcast and watch January’s town hall with Seth where members were able to ask Seth their questions live.
S7 E28 · Thu, January 25, 2024
Finding Comfort in the Midst of Suffering, feat. Kristen LaValley [S07-028]
We live in a broken world and suffering is inevitable. But, what are you going to do with what you’ve gone through? Writer and storyteller, Kristen LaValley, Enneagram 5w4, offers a refreshing perspective on faith, spirituality, suffering, and the human experience. She joins me in an exploration of suffering and challenging our beliefs when they don’t hold up in crisis or darkness. As an Observer, Kristen explains what suffering is like for her, “I go deep inside and compartmentalize like crazy,” which can lead to detachment and broken connections. As a five, “I feel things deeply but struggle to express them outwardly in expected ways.” This is common for Fives as they typically struggle to experience their feelings in the moment as they arise, and need time to think their way to their feelings. In today’s episode, we explore: Why Fives compartmentalize their emotions and impact it has on their loved ones What to do when traditional formulas and catchphrases are insufficient in times of pain and hardship Finding God and experiencing His presence in the midst of our suffering Author of the critically acclaimed book, “Even If He Doesn’t,” Kristen asks, “How can I approach God when I’m struggling to believe in His goodness?” and challenges us to relax into the knowledge that even if things don’t go our way, He is present with us through the pain and turmoils of life. I hope this conversation challenges you to reflect on your own beliefs and find acceptance that there is no perfect explanation for suffering. Until next time, "May you have love, may you have joy, may you have peace, may you have healing, and may you have rest.” ----------- Kristen's Website: https://kristenlavalley.com Pre-Order Your Copy of " Even If He Doesn't "
S7 E27 · Thu, January 18, 2024
Unlock Your Creative Potential: An Exploration of the Enneagram and Artistic Expression with Mary Adkins
How does your Enneagram type influence the creative process? Whether we’re in business, cooking a meal, or writing a book, we’re all content creators on some level. Each of us has the capacity to tap into our gifts and bring something new into the world. Today, we explore the fascinating interplay between the Enneagram and creativity with author and writing coach, Mary Adkins. This conversation shines a light on the unique hurdles and assets each personality type brings to the table in their artistic endeavors. In this episode, we examine: How Mary discovered her Enneagram type and the role it plays in her coaching The importance of self-awareness in the creative process Why ‘making a mess’ and ‘trusting the process’ is instrumental for all types Mary's journey from Yale Law School and Duke to becoming a renowned writing coach and founder of The Book Incubator program serves as a testament to the power of understanding one's gifts and leveraging them to maximize their creative potential. Until next time, keep exploring the mystery of your unique personality and remember, "May you have love, may you have joy, may you have peace, may you have healing, and may you have rest.” ------------------------------ Mary Adkins Website: www.maryadkinswriter.com The Book Incubator 12-month Program Instagram
S7 E26 · Thu, January 11, 2024
Ike Miller Discusses "Good Baggage" and the Enneagram Three's Journey to Authenticity
How does your past shape your present relationships? This week's episode is a treasure trove of insights that you won't want to miss! Join us as we sit down with the insightful Ike Miller, PhD, author, pastor, and Enneagram Three, who brings a fresh perspective on how the baggage we carry from our childhood isn't all bad. In fact, it might just be the key to unlocking healthier relationships and a more authentic self. Ike's new book, " Good Baggage ," challenges the notion that all our past experiences weigh us down. Instead, he invites us to sift through our stories and find the hidden tools that can lead to personal growth and relational health. In this episode, you'll discover: Ike's journey with the Enneagram and how it helped him understand his motivations and fears. The core fear of the Enneagram Three and how it can manifest in daily life. Strategies for self-differentiation and setting healthy boundaries The importance of authenticity in leadership and personal relationships. And much more! Whether you're an Enneagram Three wrestling with image management or someone curious about how to leverage your past for a better future, this conversation is for you. As always, we're here to support you in your journey of self-discovery and growth. If you find this episode as enlightening as we did, share it with a friend who might also benefit from Ike's wisdom. Until next time, keep exploring the mystery of your unique personality and remember, "May you have love, may you have joy, may you have peace, may you have healing, and may you have rest.” P.S. Stay tuned for our upcoming episodes and make sure to follow us on Instagram @TypologyPodcast for daily doses of Enneagram knowledge and encouragement! Don't forget to check out Ike's book, " Good Baggage, " and if you're looking for more resources to help you on your journey, consider exploring " The Search for Significance " by Robert McGee, a book that has deeply influenced Ike's understanding of identity and value. TIMESTAMPS (00:00:03) - Introduction to Typology Podcast (00:00:24) - Ike Miller's New Book: Good Baggage (00:01:21) - Reflecting on Past Events and Changes (00:02:43) - Ike Miller's Enneagram Discovery Journey (00:04:31) - Cor
S7 E25 · Thu, January 04, 2024
Becoming a Worry-Free Parent, feat. Sissy Goff, LPC-MHSP (Type 1)
This week, we are thrilled to welcome back Sissy Goff, an accomplished counselor and leading voice in parenting and child psychology. As an Enneagram 1, Sissy has served as the director of counseling at Daystar Ministries since 1993, where she has impacted countless families over decades of devoted work. She returns to discuss the connection between parental anxiety and anger and how they impact our children. We also explore: Her experience as an Enneagram 1 and how it's helped shape her role as a guide and mentor in teaching parents how best to bond and communicate with their children. The difference between worry and anxiety and what you can do to become a better parent for your children. You won’t want to miss Sissy Goff ’s thoughtful guidance and timeless advice. This discussion promises to be an essential listen for every parent.
S7 E24 · Thu, December 28, 2023
Cultivating Confidence, feat. Peter Atwater
With the Enneagram, what we do is not as important as why we do the things we do. This also applies to confidence. Behavioral economics pioneer, internationally sought-after consultant, and professor of confidence-driven decision-making Peter Atwater explains, “The ‘why’ to me is all related to our feelings of certainty and control because when I boil down what confidence is it’s knowing what’s coming and feeling like we are prepared for it.” Today, we explore what confidence is and how to cultivate confidence….We dig into Peter’s new book and go over his confidence quadrant framework, which includes the stress center, comfort zone, passenger seat, and the launchpad. It’s a tool you can use to not only understand yourself better but to understand those around you better. This is a rich conversation and you’re going to want to grab this book, The Confidence Map: Charting a Path from Chaos to Clarity . To learn more about Peter Atwater, visit his website , check out his TED Talks and pick up a copy of The Confidence Map.
S7 E23 · Thu, December 21, 2023
From Addiction to Authenticity: John Schaech and Julie Solomon's Tale of Recovery (S07-023)
Today on Typology we welcome a dynamic couple to the show: accomplished actor and screenwriter John Schaech, known for his roles in "That Thing You Do" and the upcoming series "Blue Ridge," and his wife, Julie Solomon, a top branding coach, best-selling author, and podcast host. Together, they share their insights into how the Enneagram has shaped their personal and professional lives. In this episode, we explore: How John and Julie navigate their relationship dynamics as an Enneagram Four with a Five Wing and a Three with a Two Wing. The impact of past-oriented and future-oriented perspectives in their marriage. John's courageous story of addiction and recovery, and how it has transformed his life and career. Julie's experience with Al-Anon and her path to self-discovery and healing. This episode is a testament to the power of self-reflection, the courage to redefine personal beliefs, and the strength found in sobriety. It's a story of hope, growth, and the beauty of self-acceptance. 📚 Get Julie Solomon's book " Get What You Want: How to Go from Unseen to Unstoppable " wherever books are sold. 🎬 Stay tuned for John Sheck's new series " Blue Ridge " coming in 2024. 🎧 Listen to Julie's podcast " The Influencer Podcast " for more insights on personal branding and marketing. --------------------------------------------------------------------- We'd love to hear your feedback and experiences. Share your stories with us by following us on social media @TypologyPodcast. If you're enjoying the podcast, please consider leaving us a review on your favorite podcast platform. Your support means the world to us.
S7 E22 · Thu, December 14, 2023
Four Distinct Ways We're All Created to Hear God, feat. Havilah Cunnington (Type 7)
How do you discern what God is saying? The Enneagram teaches us that we’re not all the same person. It allows us to be unique and have unique experiences. So, what if the key to hearing Him is understanding the distinct way he speaks to you? Today’s guest, pastor and author Havilah Cunnington reminds us we can’t assume that God speaks to us all in the same way. “I think that’s really important in life, to be different, to have a uniqueness, to understand that God doesn’t interact with all of His kids the same way. Just like I have four boys. I don’t interact with [them] in the same way,” explains Havilah. “Understanding how He speaks to you gives us a starting point. It allows us to at least recognize where we might be so we can actually go deeper and build a better relationship and interaction with Him." In this episode, we dive into her intriguing insights from her latest book, discussing the nuances of discerning divine guidance and how to harness one’s unique spiritual personality for a deeper, more meaningful relationship with God. We also explore how Havilah’s Enneagram type energizes her approach to spiritual leadership and her passion for helping others recognize and listen to God’s voice in their lives. If you’ve ever felt lost because you never felt that you could hear the voice of God in your life, this episode could help you discover His unique way of communicating with you. ABOUT HAVILAH CUNNINGTON Havilah Cunnington has had a remarkable journey of over twenty years in full-time ministry and as the female pastor at Bethel Church, her experience spans from guiding spiritual growth in individuals to leading a nonprofit, and her podcast, Truth to Table. She’s the author of the book, “ Created to Hear God: 4 Unique and Proven Ways to Confidently Discern His Voice .” Website: https://havilahcunnington.com
S7 E21 · Thu, December 07, 2023
What are the Five Marks of a Man? feat. Brian Tome (Type 8w7)
What does it mean to be a man? It can be an incendiary question in some circles. But Brian Tome brings his Enneagram Eight energy to the topic as we explore his new book, The Five Marks of a Man: finding your path to courageous manhood , “I didn’t have that definitive moment where I crossed from boyhood to manhood because no one ever declared me a man. No one ever told me that,” explains Brian. “It’s not an age thing. It’s not what kind of truck or Prius you drive. It’s an attitude and a certain approach to life.” We explore his willingness to embrace vulnerability and live purposefully as part of this approach. It’s a passionate conversation that sparks the question, “How would you characterize your understanding of manhood?” ------- About Brian Tome Brian Tome has been leading men for over two decades. Whether it’s on an adventure motorcycle over the Rockies or in a boardroom, he knows the power of challenge, brotherhood, and no-nonsense leadership. Brian is a builder who founded and leads Crossroads Church, one of the largest churches in America with locations in multiple states and a national digital footprint. He’s also written five books; hosts The Aggressive Life podcast; and started Man Camp, a primitive weekend camping experience that’s driven 20,000 men to reclaim the code of manhood. Brian spends his free time hunting, camping, or rehabbing a 1978 Jeep CJ-7. He lives with his wife, Libby, in Cincinnati. www.briantome.com The Five Marks of a Man The Aggressive Life Podcast P.S. Don't forget to follow Typology on Apple , Spotify or your favorite podcast player to get the latest episodes.
S7 E20 · Thu, November 30, 2023
Living Fully through the Voice of the Heart, feat. Chip Dodd
In today's episode, distinguished guest Dr. Chip Dodd , a beacon of guidance and hope, joins me for a beautiful conversation about the power of feelings and relationships. We explore his groundbreaking Spiritual Root System (SRS), a simple yet powerful framework for understanding your emotional and spiritual nature and integrating it into your desired life. With his profound understanding of addiction, stress illnesses, and burnout, he shares insights that guide people toward healing. We also differentiate between the traits of Type 2 and Type 8 and how that shared line fuels his passion and dedication to helping others find their true path. To learn more about Chip Dodd visit his website at www.chipdodd.com and grab a copy of his book, " The Voice of the Heart: A Call to Full Living ."
S7 E19 · Thu, November 23, 2023
Curiosity is a profound expression of love, feat. Scott Shigeoka (Type 7)
Curiosity is something we’re all born with…it’s a desire to know, a search for understanding. In today’s episode, Enneagram 7, Scott Shigeoka shares how his innately inquisitive nature allows him to foster deeper connections and explains how others can and should do the same. “We often think about [curiosity] as an intellectual tool to extract information, but actually you can move from the mind into the heart and it can become a heart-center tool that you use to better understand people, to understand yourself, to understand the divine…it’s a force for connection,” explains Scott. We dig into his new book, " Seek: How Curiosity Can Transform Your Life & Change the World ,” and differentiate between shallow curiosity and deep curiosity…and why we need both. Scott Shigeoka is an internationally recognized curiosity expert, speaker, and author. He is known for translating research into strategies that promote positive well-being and connected relationships around the globe, including at the UC Berkeley’s Greater Good Science Center and through his popular courses at the University of Texas at Austin. Scott implements his curiosity practices in the public sector, Fortune 500 companies, Hollywood, media organizations, education institutions, and small businesses. To learn more about Scott, visit his website at www.scottshigeoka.com and follow him on Instagram at @scottshigeoka. You can also grab a copy of his new book "SEEK" here .
S7 E17 · Thu, November 16, 2023
How Enneagram Types 7-9 Can Mitigate Stress [S07-017]
Each of us manage stress differently, but understanding our pressure points and automatic reactions allows us to consciously change the way we respond. When we understand the triggers of others, we can compassionately support them as well. In Part 3 of our 3-part series, Anthony and I focus on the unique ways Enneagram 7s, 8s, and 9s experience and manage stress. We explore: How Type 7s cope with the frustration of restrictions and the struggle to stay engaged when their freedom to choose feels limited. The journey of Type 8s in embracing vulnerability as a strength, learning that sharing emotions is not a sign of weakness but a brave act of courage. Ways Type 9s can rise above their natural inclination towards passivity by finding a voice for their needs and desires, ensuring self-care is as much a priority as caring for others. We offer practical tips to mitigate self-defeating behaviors and remain emotionally balanced when life’s circumstances get tense. Listen to the full episode here , and please, share it with anyone who might be grappling with stress or burnout—it might be just what they need. You can also download our Ways to Mitigate Stress Based on Your Personality PDF for a quick-look at tips for each type.
S7 E16 · Thu, November 09, 2023
Part 2: How Enneagram Types 4-6 Can Mitigate Stress
How do you manage the weight of what’s going on in the world these days? Each of us handle stress differently, but when we take the time to recognize our triggers and automatic reactions, we’re able to stop, pivot and intentionally change our response. In Part 2 of our 3-part series, Anthony and I focus on the unique ways Enneagram 4s, 5s, and 6s experience and manage stress. We explore how: Type 4s can channel their profound empathy to forge deep connections and resilience in the face of adversity. The analytical brilliance of Type 5s can overshadow their emotional expression, particularly under stress. Type 6s sometimes seek security in facts and forecasts, overlooking the serenity that comes from within. We offer practical tips to mitigate self-defeating behaviors and remain emotionally balanced when life’s circumstances are tense. Listen to the full episode, then please share it with anyone who might be grappling with stress or burnout—it might be just what they need. P.S. You can also download our Ways to Mitigate Stress Based on Your Personality PDF for a quick-look at tips for each type.
S7 E16 · Thu, November 02, 2023
How Enneagram Types 1-3 Can Mitigate Stress
There’s a lot going on in the world right now and we’re all feeling different types of pressures. Each of us handle stress in different ways, and if we’re not careful, we can let our unhealthy behaviors take the lead. So, how do we work through seasons of stress to become the best, most helpful, most loving and compassionate expression of ourselves. I believe the Enneagram can help. It’s not a cure-all, but the Enneagram recognizes and takes into account the fluid nature of the personality, which is constantly adapting as circumstances change. There are times when your personality is in a healthy space, times when it’s in an average space, and times when it’s downright nuts. We all teeter on the continuum between healthy and unhealthy multiple times per day. But when we take the time to recognize our triggers and automatic reactions, we’re able to stop, pivot and intentionally change our response. In this 3-part series, Anthony and I cover how each Enneagram Type typically deals with stress and offer practical tips to mitigate self-defeating behaviors and remain emotionally balanced. Today, we tackle Enneagram types One, Two, and Three.
S7 E14 · Thu, October 26, 2023
How to Process Grief Based on Your Enneagram Type [S01-015]
Grief is not something you do. It’s something you go through. All of us experience different types of grief and each of us grieve in different ways. But if we allow grief to consume us, if we don’t grow through grief, it locks us in the past and keeps us stuck. The recent loss of my mother has been an invitation for me to reflect on the ways I process my own grief. So today, Anthony and I wanted to bring this topic to you and offer some useful insights on how each Enneagram type expresses grief and what they need in that season so you can love, care for, and serve that type better in periods of grief. Tune in then share this episode with your friends, family and coworkers so they too can learn how to support others well based on what they need. Don't forget to follow @typologypodcast on Apple, Spotify, and Instagram to get the latest episodes each week.
S7 E14 · Thu, October 19, 2023
Living a life of purpose, feat. Jay Hewitt (Enneagram 3) [S07-014]
Our greatest legacies are not just in what we achieve, but in the indomitable spirit we demonstrate and pass on to the ones we love. Living a life of purpose could be the greatest gift you can give to the people you love. In today’s episode, pastor and motivational speaker, Jay Hewitt shares his deeply personal journey of facing a terminal brain cancer diagnosis at thirty-seven and opens up about the big questions that challenge him and the profound lessons his diagnosis has taught him about vulnerability, deep connections, resilience, fatherhood, and faith. Tune into this powerful conversation that reminds us of what truly is important – our connection to others. ------------- Learn more about Jay Hewitt at https://www.jayhewitt.org or follow him @jayhewitt on Instagram and YouTube. P.S. Don't forget to follow Typology Podcast on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or your favorite podcast player to get weekly episodes in your feed.
S7 E13 · Thu, October 12, 2023
Growing Emotionally and Spiritually through the Enneagram, with Drs. Bill and Kristi Gaultiere (Types 1 and 2) [S07-013]
How can we use the Enneagram to understand and navigate our emotions? Each of us has a unique emotional wiring that has shaped our personality. But oftentimes, we undervalue the importance of our feelings. “Feelings are just as much a gift from God as thoughts,” explains Dr. Bill Gualtiere, “[...] our thoughts influence our feelings. But our feelings influence our thoughts also, and our feelings and emotions are very biological." Drs. Bill and Kristi Gaultiere join me for an Enneagram-filled conversation about the significance of empathy for emotional and spiritual development. They share the emotional alarms and soul care practices for each type, and offer a unique map that uncovers the core feelings associated with each Enneagram type. To learn more about Drs. Kristi and Bill Gaultiere, visit their website here , connect with them on social media @soulshepherding, listen to their Soul Talks podcast, or grab a copy of their new book, Healthy Feelings, Thriving Faith: Growing Emotionally and Spiritually through the Enneagram .
S7 E12 · Thu, October 05, 2023
Finding Success Without A Recipe, feat. Mignon Francois (Enneagram 2) [S07-012]
The metric of success is not tied to money or fame, it’s living up to what you’re called to do. Founder and CEO of The Cupcake Collection, Mignon Francois, joins us for a delightful conversation about how she turned her last $5 into a $10 million dollar cupcake empire. Now she’s helping other people learn what they can do if only they believe in themselves. “Everything is already here that will allow you to become or to create whatever it is that you decided in your heart that you want to do,” says Mignon. “It’s about finding joy in the process of being who you were called to be.” Not only does she offer a bit of wisdom gleaned from her life experiences, but she shares her love for the Enneagram and how she uses it in her personal and professional life. We help her hone in on her type by digging into the similarities and differences between an Enneagram 2 and Enneagram 4. To learn more about Mignon Francois, order your own cupcakes, or grab a copy of her new book, Made From Scratch: Finding Success Without A Recipe , visit www.thecupcakecollection.com
S7 E11 · Thu, September 28, 2023
Loneliness and the Power of True Connection, feat. Justin Whitmel Earley [S07-011]
As human beings we’re wired for connection – to be seen and known fully – yet loved anyway. When we lack this true connection, we begin to drift into a feeling of loneliness or isolation, both of which have been proven to impact our physical and mental health. Today’s guest, Justin Whitmel Earley, explains the difference between social isolation and loneliness, then implores us to prioritize healthy, deep connections with others stating, “The difference between those of us who are persevering or getting crushed by life is whether or not you’re walking through life beside close friends, people who really deeply know you. Because we all experience hard things, we all experience suffering, we all have mental health struggles. But if you walk through it alone, you will be crushed.” He also shares a few strategies we can all use to foster deep friendships from his new book, Made for People: Why We Drift into Loneliness and How to Fight for a Life of Friendship . I hope this episode encourages you to stop and take an inventory of your own connections.
S7 E10 · Thu, September 21, 2023
What's So Amazing About Grace?, feat. Philip Yancey [S07-010]
Philip Yancey is an award-winning author, renowned theologian, and influential speaker who has written 13 Gold Medallion award-winning books and won two ECPA Book of the Year awards for What’s So Amazing About Grace? And The Jesus I Never Knew . Today, I had the wonderful opportunity to celebrate the 25th anniversary of the bestselling book, What’s So Amazing About Grace? with author Philip Yancey. The question is just as relevant now as it was when the book was first published. It still holds true that the most important things in life are love, forgiveness and grace. Regardless of your religious or spiritual beliefs, Philip invites us to question how we understand grace and how we extend it to ourselves and others. Learn more about Philip Yancey and his works at: www.philipyancey.com www.facebook.com/philipyancey www.instagram.com/philipyanceyofficial/ www.twitter.com/philipyancey What’s So Amazing About Grace?
S7 E9 · Thu, September 14, 2023
Living in Alignment with Dr. Julia DiGangi
“We have three energetic engines of what it means to be human. One is our feeling, one is our thinking, and one is our behaving. When those three things are integrated, the way that we’re kind of wired, when we kind of again walk into the party and we’re really behaving and thinking and feeling all in alignment, this is the fullest expression of a human being.” explains Dr. Julia DiGangi. Our new friend. Dr. Julia DiGangi brought the conversation today! We dig into the emotional, cognitive, and behavioral structure of the personality and what it means to live in alignment with all three. She is the author of the amazing new book Energy Rising: the Neuroscience of Leading with Emotional Power . If the content and the spirit of this episode has not convinced you to go by her book, please rewind to the beginning of the interview and listen more carefully because it has been such a privilege and a pleasure to have this time with Dr. DiGangi. ----------------------------------- Learn more about Dr. Julia DiGangi https://www.neurohealthpartners.com/dr-jdg https://www.linkedin.com/in/juliadigangi https://www.instagram.com/drjuliadigangi
S7 E8 · Thu, September 07, 2023
Trusting Your Self, feat. Jeff Chu (Enneagram 6) [S07-008]
Sixes have excellent analytical minds, are great strategists, troubleshooters, problem-solvers, and of course, see worst-case scenarios that other people don't see. The passion of the Six is fear which is often experienced as anxiety…anxiety that the unexpected could happen at any time. But once they launch a mental narrative in their head of all that could go wrong, these fictional stories can take on lives of their own and can grow and crowd out what’s actually happening. Today, we revisit my conversation with Jeff Chu to explore the complexities of The Loyalist, and how knowing his Enneagram type has allowed him to identify those aspects of his personality that are responses to things he's been through in the past and work through them. ---------------- Jeff Chu is a writer, reporter, Editor-at-large at Travel + Leisure , and Teacher in residence at Crosspointe Church . His reporting and writing has appeared in The New York Times Magazine, Travel+Leisure, the Wall Street Journal, the Washington Post, and Modern Farmer. When big publishers were still starting magazines and pouring millions of dollars into them, Jeff was an editor on the launch team of the now-defunct Conde Nast Portfolio. And before that, he spent seven years at Time magazine, where he really received his journalistic education. Jeff was a London-based web producer and staff writer. In 2021, Jeff helped turn Rachel Held Evans’ latest work-in-progress into a finished book titled, “ Wholehearted Faith .” He wove the words of her partial manuscript with other unpublished writings to create a rich collection of essays that ask candid questions about the stories we’ve been told—and the stories we tell—about our faith, our selves, and our world.
S7 E7 · Thu, August 31, 2023
Balancing the Contradictory Elements of an Enneagram 5w4, feat. Jason Adam Miller [S07-007]
There’s no such thing as a pure personality type. We’re all a mash up of two types – your dominant type and your dominant wing. Knowing your wing is important because they reveal a whole different side of your personality and can explain contradictory elements within your personality. Enneagram Fives are edged between the passionate, intense Four on one side and the loyal but anxious Six on the other. Depending on their dominant wing, these two can look very different. Today, we explore how an Enneagram Five with a dominant Four wing processes and experiences things very intensely on both the intellectual and feeling planes. Jason Adam Miller describes this complicated relationship as “as a civil war between the two.” Tune in for an inside look through the lens of an Enneagram 5w4 and how Jason has learned to balance the two. --- Jason Adam Miller is the founder and lead pastor of South Bend City Church, an eclectic Christian community known for its thoughtful teaching, inclusive vision, and commitment to its city context. An advocate for artists and peacemakers, his work beyond South Bend focuses on cultural headwaters and conflict zones, where he serves an international constituency of leaders. He holds a master’s degree in theology from the University of Notre Dame. https://www.jasonadammiller.com/ https://www.instagram.com/jasonadammiller/ https://southbendcitychurch.com/ <a href= "https://www.ama
S7 E6 · Thu, August 24, 2023
From Burned Out to Fully Charged, feat. Dr. Neha Sangwan (Type 1w2)
Burnout is more common than you think and the rates continue to rise. So, what constitutes burnout and how do we combat it? First, we need to understand the stressors that lead to burnout in the first place. According to physician, executive coach, and speaker Dr. Neha Sangwan, “burnout is due to prolonged stress and an ongoing net drain of energy on one or more of five levels: physical, mental, emotional, social, and spiritual. When we burn out, our productivity suffers, our health declines, and we’re more reactive in our relationships.” In today’s episode, Dr. Sangwan shares the story of her own wake-up call, breaks down the phases of burnout, and provides examples from her new book, Powered by Me: From Burned Out to Fully Charged at Work and in Life , of how to assess the five levels of burnout so you can take practical steps to replenish your energy and heal. To learn more about Dr. Sangwan, visit her website or grab a copy of her book on Amazon .
S7 E5 · Thu, August 17, 2023
Gut Feelings with Functional Medicine Expert, Dr. Will Cole (Enneagram 5w4) [S07-005]
What is the gut-brain connection, and what role does it play in living a healthy and fulfilling life? Functional medicine expert Dr. Will Cole joins us to talk about his newest book, Gut-Feelings: Healing the Shame-Fueled Relationship Between What You Eat and How You Feel , and how to heal our bodies through nutrition. Versed in the Enneagram, Dr. Cole shares how it has helped him educate and empower others by learning to communicate with others in a way they can receive it. "My Enneagram Five-ness as far as being a researcher really does suit me well, and I think that's why I've been such a voracious consumer of health information and research [...] but, there's this duality, bidirectional relationship between what I do as science and the art," explains Dr. Cole. "The art part of what we do is holding the space in between the words and really understanding how can I get this health information and help them to understand it, to empower them, to give them agency over their health, and to really help them apply these things so it's sustainable and practical, for them to reclaim their quality of life?" Tune into this fascinating conversation, then jump over to Amazon to grab your copy of " Gut Feelings ."
S7 E4 · Thu, August 10, 2023
Dr. Curt Thompson on Suffering and the Formation of Hope (Enneagram 4) [S07-004]
To be human is to suffer. Most people try to bypass suffering or live with it in isolation. But true healing happens when you acknowlege its presence, learn to be with it, and allow others to come alongside you in your pain. “Suffering is this whole notion of my perception that, 'I’m alone with my pain.’ So suffering is a direct function of the degree to which I am isolated with my pain,” explains Dr. Curt Thompson. “If I practice allowing others to be with me, it changes the nature of how I practice anticipating the future. And this is how ‘I’ don’t form hope for me…’we’ form hope for me.” In today’s episode, Dr. Curt Thompson returns to discuss his incredible new book, The Deepest Place: Suffering and the Formation of Hope . We explore the intersection of faith and neuroscience, unraveling the profound impact of suffering and the formation of hope. To learn more about Dr. Curt Thompson, visit his website or grab a copy of his new book .
S7 E3 · Thu, August 03, 2023
Harnessing Your Intuition to Achieve Personal and Professional Success, feat. Liz Tran [Enneagram 7]
Does your internal world align with your external world? If not, how can the Enneagram help you harness the vast treasures of instinctual insights and inspirations on a regular basis to realize personal and professional success? Liz Tran, Executive Coach and author of The Karma of Success , joins me for a wonderful conversation about tapping into your inner genius in order to capitalize on what you’re truly capable of. She shares the four spiritual strategies that foster reflection and help you infuse intuition and creativity into a career of purpose and joy. ---------- Liz Tran is the founder of Reset, an executive coaching company to CEOs and founders. Before founding Reset, Liz spent over a decade working in the tech industry, most recently as the only female executive at a leading venture capital firm. She is a trained meditation teacher and Reiki Master and studied yoga at the Samyak Ashram. She lives in New York City and Norfolk, Connecticut with her husband, Dev, and their dog, Grover. To learn more about Liz Tran and The Karma of Success , visit her website or follow her on Instagram .
S7 E2 · Thu, July 27, 2023
Gifts from the Unexpected, feat. Jillian Benfield (Enneagram 3) [S07-002)
We live in a world where we are faced with profound suffering on the news all day long and we see too much suffering of the world. But how do we take the unexpected things that happen to us and somehow breathe new life into them? Author of The Gift of the Unexpected: Discovering Who You Were Meant to Be When Life Goes Off Plan , Jillian Benfield believes, “No matter what your unexpected circumstance is–you don’t have to classify it as good–but I do think that good can come out of it and that [good] is that we can change through our unexpected circumstances if we’re willing to go all the way through it.” Listen as Jillian shares the unexpected gift that helped shift her perspective and find true self-worth. ----------------- Jillian Benfield is a former journalist and news anchor. She holds a broadcast journalism degree from the University of Georgia. As a freelance writer, her essays about living an unexpected life have appeared on sites such as TODAY, Good Morning America, Yahoo! News, and ABC News. Jillian regularly advocates for the full inclusion of people with disabilities in her writings, community, and as part of the National Down Syndrom Congress’s National Down Syndrom Advocacy Coalition. Jillian and her husband, Andy, and their three children make their home on Florida’s Space Coast.
S7 E1 · Thu, July 20, 2023
Renée Rosario on Holy Ideas and the Enneagram [S07-001]
We’re kicking off Season 7 with a topic I’ve not yet discussed on the show: Holy Ideas. Holy Ideas remind us of the powerful spiritual roots of the Enneagram. They are great, universal, spiritual truths that we forgot or lost touch with, as the ego created an overlay of personality. It’s a challenging concept, but today’s guest, renowned Enneagram teacher Renée Rosario walks us through the Holy Ideas for each type and reminds us to “relax with awareness into this idea that there is a power greater than us, that is actually taking care of all the things we think we have to take care of in our type.” Renée Rosario is a Core Faculty member of The Narrative Enneagram and a transpersonal, body-centered psychotherapist in Boulder, CO. She has facilitated workshops and classes for over 20 years and loves to work in the Narrative Tradition where all are students and teachers of one another. Renée has been a mindfulness instructor at Naropa University and a peacemaker trained in contemplative social action through the Peacemaker Institute. Her upcoming two classes, Narrative Enneagram Intensive Part 1 and Narrative Enneagram Learning Community will take place on August 4-6 in Menlo Park, CA or you can attend online. Learn more at www.narrativeenneagram.org.
S6 E54 · Thu, July 13, 2023
Revisit: Finding Your Inner Encourager with Julianne Cusick (Enneagram 1)
As Richard Rohr says, Ones are childlike and full of joy and wonder at the world and creation. But for Ones, that sense of joy has been lost. Instead, they suppress their own feelings and focus on being good and doing what is right. They feel a sense of duty and responsibility and may harbor resentment toward others who don’t see things the right way – their way. But what would it look like if Ones reclaimed their childlike wonder? When Ones move toward health, they begin to let judgments go and become more at ease with imperfection. They begin to truly quiet that inner critic and turn it into an inner encourager. Our guest today, Julianne Cusick, shares how her journey toward self-awareness and self-knowledge as an Enneagram One has allowed her to prioritize relationships over perfection and has given her permission to have fun dancing in the kitchen. Julianne Cusick is a Licensed Marriage and Family Therapist, a Certified EMDR Therapist (Maiberger Institute), and an AANE Certified Neurodiverse Couples Coach. She thrives on personal and professional growth. A dynamic and engaging communicator, Julianne speaks to Christian organizations, women’s groups, and retreats – all from the voice of hope and her own story of healing and redemption. She is a mother of two who enjoys gardening, reading, and spending time with her family and friends. For more about Julianne or Restoring the Soul, visit www.restoringthesoul.com.
S6 E53 · Thu, July 06, 2023
Revisit: Becoming Lisa Whelchel
Enneagram Threes focus on outstanding performance, being perceived as successful, and avoiding failure at all costs. They believe that love comes from achievement, image, and status and have the tendency to neglect or ignore the personal needs of self and others. But when Threes move toward health, they move to the high side of Six. When that happens, they no longer need to “drive the bus” or flaunt success. They are so good at helping others live to their full potential and be successful in their own right and not have it be all about their own success. In this episode, Lisa Whelchel discusses her journey toward being a healthy Three. Listen in as she touches on her subtypes, how she identifies her True Self, and how the Enneagram has impacted her life as an introverted Type 3 with a 2 wing. Lisa is an actress, author, international speaker, and life coach. Perhaps best known for her starring role as Blair Warner on NBC’s “The Facts of Life” for nine years, she’s also the author of “Creative Correction,” which has sold over 200,000 copies and has written more than a dozen books. Currently, Lisa is a certified CoActive Life Coach and focuses most of her time these days coming alongside others on their transformational journey to remembering their True Self. For more information please visit www.LisaWhelchel.com and www.ContigoLifeCoach.com .
S6 E52 · Thu, June 29, 2023
Bittersweet State of Mind, feat. Susan Cain (Enneagram 4)
Have you ever wondered why you like sad music, find comfort or inspiration in a rainy day, or react intensely to music, art, nature, and beauty? If so, you may identify with the bittersweet state of mind. Bestselling author Susan Cain joins Anthony and I in a deep exploration of the important topic of bittersweet. She explains that “a s humans, we enter this world with a sense of longing and separation from a more perfect and beautiful world. We come into the world with this knowledge and with these kinds of holy tears, you could call them, and this is one of the best and most beautiful things about us, the fact that we feel this [..], the fact of wanting to glimpse it and occasionally glimpsing it is that that's actually the secret fuel behind our creativity and our capacity for love.” Tune in for this incredible conversation that puts words to the pining and longing of Enneagram Fours. Susan Cain is the author of the bestsellers Bittersweet: How Sorrow and Longing Make Us Whole and Quiet: The Power of Introverts in A World That Can’t Stop Talking, which spent eight years on the New York Times best seller list and has been translated into 40 languages. Susan’s TED talks have been viewed over 40 million times. LinkedIn named her the Top 6th Influencer in the World, just behind Richard Branson and Melinda French Gates. Susan partners with Malcolm Gladwell, Adam Grant and Dan Pink to curate the Next Big Idea Book Club. They donate all their proceeds to children’s literacy programs.
S6 E51 · Fri, June 23, 2023
Embracing Human Connection with Carlos Whittaker
Some of my favorite interviews on Typology happen when a guest comes on thinking they’re one type but they present differently. Today is one of those conversations. We start the show by talking to author, speaker, and social media personality, Carlos Whittaker, exploring how he determined his type and what struck him the most about being an Enneagram 9. Not long into our conversation, we begin to unravel the lines between Enneagram 3s, 6s, and 9s and dig into a brief typing interview. It’s an engaging conversation you don’t want to miss. We also pivot to talk about his new book, How to Human: Three Ways to Share Life Beyond What Distracts, Divides, and Disconnects , where Carlos shares the transformative power of embracing human connection and learning to navigate difficult things with a little more grace. To learn more about Carlos and his new book, visit his website here . <p data-slate-node="element" data-slate-fragment= "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
S6 E50 · Thu, June 15, 2023
Using Art to Inspire Healthy Conversations, feat. feat. Craig Lamar Brown and Andrea Summer (Type 4)
When human language can no longer carry the freight of an idea or a spiritual truth, you have to default to metaphor or to another language that can do that job. That language might be sculpture, film, music, or art…whatever medium can express things that discursive analytical language cannot. No other Enneagram type can match the Enneagram Four’s creative gift for giving language to ideas others of us can’t find words for. Today’s guests, Craig Lamar Brown and Andrea Summer share how they used their strengths to inspire others to find common ground and have healthy conversations about race, gentrification, and interracial dating in the church through their new movie, Between Mercy and Me . Tune in as we unpack the challenges they faced while working together, how and why Fours can self-destruct, and using art as an outlet for processing emotions.
S6 E48 · Thu, June 08, 2023
Relationship Dynamics of an Enneagram 6 and Enneagram 1, feat. Chief Mike Alexander and Cheryl Alexander [S06-048]
Let’s face it, relationships are complicated. But the more you know about yourself and your partner, the easier it is to communicate and navigate conflict. This week, Mike Alexander, Enneagram Six returns along with his wife, Enneagram One, and psychotherapist Cheryl, for a powerful conversation about the dynamics of their relationship and their own journey of healing within their types. We dig into a few of the challenges they face and learn how figuring out the inner workings of themselves and each other helped salvage their marriage. You don't want to miss this powerful conversation. ----- ABOUT MIKE Mike Alexander is a nationally recognized expert in ethics, integrity, leadership development, and coaching. This specialty began and flourished during his 41-year career in law enforcement and has defined the years following his retirement from service. Through the U.S. Department of Justice Community Policing Divisions, the thirty-six (36) Regional Community Policing Institute, the Multi-jurisdictional Counterdrug Task Force Training Center, the Federal Law Enforcement Training Center, the Texas Municipal League, the International Law Enforcement Administration, and the Texas Police Chiefs Association, the Carruth Policing Institute, he has traveled the nation training officers and community members on leadership development, ethics and integrity. In 1999, he founded the LION Leadership Institute, with workshops focused on leadership engagement, employee wellness, cost of conflict, psychological safety, emotional intelligence, healthy work environments, and socialization. He is currently working as an adjunct professor and leadership and curriculum development consultant with Austin Community College. Instagram: @thelion_institute LinkedIn : @thelion-organizational-development-institute Twitter: @LION_Institute Facebook: @thelion.institute ABOUT CHERYL Cheryl is a native Texan, born in Waco, Texas, and reared in San Antonio, Texas. She is the daughter of the late LC and Dorothy Christman. She has one sister, Debbie Grady. Cheryl lived in San Antonio, Texas, until she graduated from Incarnate Word High School. After graduating from high school, she attended Southwest Texas State University (now known today as Texas State University) in San Marcos, Texas, where she received her bachelor’s degree in Criminal Justice and a maste
S6 E47 · Thu, June 01, 2023
Healing an Addiction to Drama, feat. Dr. Scott Lyons (Enneagram 4)
Whether we’re watching it play out on social media or experiencing it in our relationships and workplaces, all of us know someone who is addicted to drama. But how do you recognize a drama addiction in yourself or others? And once you recognize it, how do you break the cycle and live more peacefully? Today on Typology, clinical psychologist Scott Lyons, Ph.D., reveals how he learned to navigate generations of trauma and identifies what a drama addiction is. “Like all addictions, it is looking at how do we fill the void? How do we prevent further pain? How do we fill the void? And when you have a void, you don't exist. There isn't a sense of existence on this plane. So you fill it with things that give you a sense of aliveness or purpose,” explains Dr. Lyons. Tune in to hear his advice on how to break free from the damaging effects of living lives consumed by chaos. Follow @typologypodcast on Instagram, Facebook, and Twitter. -- ABOUT SCOTT LYONS, Ph.D. Dr. Scott Lyons is a holistic psychologist and educator. As a renowned body-based trauma expert, Doctor of Osteopathy and Mind-Body Medicine specialist, Scott helps people to break free of cycles of pain, limited beliefs, and trauma. Scott is an innovator in transformative wellness and trauma therapy, teaching over half a million people internationally over the past twenty years how to relieve stress and restore vitality. Scott has worked with many of the country’s top leaders and CEOs as an executive coach and wellness consultant. Scott is the creator of The Embody Lab—the largest online learning platform for body-based trauma therapies—and developer of Somatic Stress ReleaseTM, a holistic process of restoring biological resilience taught in over 20 countries. Scott is also the founder and progressive designer of Omala, a wellness brand dedicated to creating sustainably sourced tools for transformation. Find Dr. Lyons online: Instagram , Facebook , LinkedIn , TikTok and website
S6 E46 · Thu, May 25, 2023
Find What Drives You, feat. Kevin Miller (Enneagram 7) [S06-046]
What roadblocks keep you from reaching your true potential? How can you shift your mindset to find true inspiration and fulfillment? CEO of SelfHelp(ful) and host of the SelfHelp(ful) podcast, Kevin Miller believes the key to motivation is understanding what it is that you truly value. “If it wasn’t anybody else, if it was just for you, what do you really want, that you can own?” asks Kevin. For a lot of people, when they really become clear on that value, they find it bumps against their existing lifestyle or relationships, and that’s hard. But getting to the core of what drives you, and why, is what leads to personal and professional success and fulfillment. Kevin Miller is a former pro cyclist and founder of 19 businesses, with a common thread and devotion throughout all he’s done to enhance personal performance and live an inspired life. Today he is CEO of Self-Helpful, Inc., a personal development organization which curates and produces self-help content. Kevin hosts the Self-Helpful podcast (Glassbox Network), which has over 60 million downloads and is routinely visited by today’s most influential changemakers. His book, What Drives You (McGraw Hill, May 16, 2023) challenges today’s myths on “driven people” and serves as a guide for clarity and conviction in what you authentically value and are motivated by. To learn more about Kevin, listen to the Selfhelp(ful) podcast, or pick up a copy of his new book, What Drives You: How to Discover Your Unique Motivators and Accelerate Growth in Work and Life .
S6 E45 · Thu, May 18, 2023
Part 2: Practicing Vulnerability as an Enneagram 8, feat. David Gungor
Last week David Gungor shared his struggle in determining his type, how he embraces his “chaotic intentionality,” and what it means to need others to “get out of his face.” Today we continue the conversation using the Enneagram to help Enneagram Eights grow in self-awareness through spiritual practices and leaning into the people they do trust to gain true intimacy. David Gungor is a member of The Brilliance, the American worship music duo of David Gungor and John Arndt. The band started making music in 2010 under the Integrity Music label. Their latest album was “All is Not Lost” released in January 2017. David is also an associate pastor at Trinity Grace Tribeca. For more information about David, visit www.thebrilliancemusic.com
Wed, May 17, 2023
565: The Vegan Bible, Loveless Christianity, & Spiritual Narcissism with Rainn Wilson
Ethicist, David Gushee, says we are seeing the emergence of a new kind of loveless Christianity. But those who practice it say their anger, culture warring, and pursuit of power are actually how they’re loving their neighbors. Then, Skye talks to actor Rainn Wilson, best known as Dwight Schrute from “The Office,” about religious pluralism, spiritual narcissism, why Hollywood misrepresents Christians, and how he became a follower of the Baha’i faith. Wilson’s new book is “Soul Boom: Why We Need a Spiritual Revolution.” Also this week—A.I. has rewritten Genesis to be vegan-friendly, and does God really hate yoga pants? Patreon Bonus: Our full discussion on yoga pants https://www.patreon.com/posts/83104170 0.00 - Intro 2:33 - Theme Song 2:55 - Sponsor: Faithful Counseling Get 10% off your first month at Faithful Counseling.com/HOLYPOST 4:03 - A Vegan Bible 15:23 - Yoga Pants & Christian Modesty 25:37 - Christianity without Love Sponsors 40:55 - Sponsor Miracle Made Go to TryMiracle.com/ HOLYPOST and use the code HOLYPOST to claim your free 3 piece towel set and save over 40% off 42:00 - Sponsor Sundays Dog Food Get 35% off your first order of Sundays. Go to SundaysForDogs.com/HOLYPOST or use code HOLYPOST at checkout. 43:14 - Interview Intro 48:26 - Rainn’s journey to becoming Baha’i 53:30 - Why people are shifting away from religion 1:02:43 - Avoiding “self-help” spirituality 1:08:35 - How can people of different faiths work together 1:22:55 - End Credits Links mentioned in news segment: PETA Rewrites the Bible With ChatGPT: ‘A Loving God Would Never Endorse Exploitation’ https://vegnews.com/vegan-health-wellness/activism/peta-bible-chatgpt-god-vegan ‘Women’s leggings are too revealing’: Men of the Christian right deem yoga pants too scandalous to wear outside <a href= "https://www.dailydot.com/debug/yoga-pants-twitter-debate-w
S6 E44 · Thu, May 11, 2023
Part 1: Practicing Vulnerability as an Enneagram 8, feat. David Gungor (Replay)
Enneagram Eights are called The Challenger for a good reason. Eights don’t like to feel controlled and avoid any appearance of vulnerability. They are naturally confrontational and their combative energy can feel intimidating to others. But what feels like intimidation to others actually feels like connection to an Eight. Eights express their anger freely, are fueled by high levels of stimulation, and react very strongly against challenging injustices. And, as you’ll hear from our guest, David Gungor, the “circle of trust” is small but tight. So what does it sound like when an Eight acknowledges their weakness or vulnerability? What does it look like when you break through that tough exterior? Listen to today’s replay from Season 1 as David Gungor shares his struggle in determining his type, how he embraces his “chaotic intentionality,” and what it means to need others to “get out of his face.” David Gungor is a member of The Brilliance, the American worship music duo of David Gungor and John Arndt. The band started making music in 2010 under the Integrity Music label. Their new album was “All is Not Lost” released in January 2017. David is also an associate pastor at Trinity Grace Tribeca. For more information about David, visit www.thebrilliancemusic.com
S6 E43 · Thu, May 04, 2023
How Can Enneagram Stances Help You Move Through the World? feat. Dr. Jerome Wagner [S06-043]
The Enneagram is complex and dynamic and is itself, this act of self-curiousity, a portal to growth. With that in mind, how do we use it in an intentional way to achieve more integration and balance in our lives? In today’s episode, we dial into the importance of Stances with Enneagram master Dr. Jerome Wagner. Stances are a way that we move through the world in order to get our needs met, but “they can also be a defensive strategy so they work in both ways,” says Dr. Wagner, “They protect us and get us what we need.” Dr. Wagner provides a comprehensive explanation of the Hornevian Stances and how we can use this knowledge to consciously adapt to life’s circumstances in a manner that best serves ourselves and others. ----- Dr. Jerome “Jerry” Wagner, Ph.D. is a clinical psychologist, psychotherapist, supervisor, consultant in private practice, and emeritus faculty member in the Department of Psychology and Institute of Pastoral Studies at Loyola University, Chicago. As one of the earliest students of the Enneagram in the United States, Dr. Wagner has been researching and teaching the Enneagram since 1980 and began the Enneagram Spectrum Training and Certification Program in 1995. He has presented Enneagram workshops for business consultants and coaches, human resource directors, counselors, therapists, spiritual directors, educators, and personal growth audiences throughout the United States and in Canada, England, Spain, Finland, Australia, Hong Kong, Singapore, and South Africa. His books, Nine Lenses on the World: the Enneagram Perspective and The Enneagram Spectrum of Personality Styles: an Introductory Guide, 25th Anniversary Edition are both available through Amazon.com.
S6 E42 · Thu, April 27, 2023
Kelli Thompson Closes the Confidence Gap (Type 5)
Discovering the Enneagram was the key to helping Kelli Thompson get out of her head, move through doubt and rumination, and take action. “It was really just a journey of how do you bring your life back into alignment with your values, learn to trust your heart and your gut, and that they have just as much merit as your brain, and then how do you use that to speak up and set boundaries, and take next steps forward and to make confident decisions,” says Kelli. In this episode, Kelli shares the importance of bringing the three centers of intelligence into balance and how to navigate gender stereotypes as an Enneagram 5 in the workplace while not losing yourself in the process. ––– Kelli Thompson is a women’s leadership coach and speaker who helps women advance to the rooms where decisions are made. She has coached and trained hundreds of women to trust themselves, lead with more confidence, and create a career they love. She is the founder of the Clarity & Confidence Women's Leadership Program, and a Stevie Award winner for Women in Business—Coach of the Year. Her thought leadership has been featured in Forbes, MarketWatch, Parents Magazine, HuffPost, and FastCompany. She is the author of Closing The Confidence Gap: Boost Your Peace, Your Potential & Your Paycheck . Website Instagram LinkedIn
S6 E41 · Thu, April 20, 2023
How an Enneagram 4 and Enneagram 8 Balance Their Relationship, feat. Makoto and Haejin Fujimura
Are an Enneagram 4 and an Enneagram 8 compatible? While both bring a fierce intensity to the world, they each bring different gifts to the table. Helen Palmer describes their match up, as “a partnership of intensity acted out by fight, flight fascination, and flare. Each feels somewhat awed by the other. Eights feel themselves to be coarse and blunt in comparison with the elegant and socially adept romantic. From their side, Fours can be utterly magnetized by the socially shameless boss. It can be a real cliffhanger.” In today’s episode, artist and author Makoto Fujimura and his wife, Haejin enter the Typology studio to talk about the importance of establishing their friendship first, their different approaches to battling darkness, and how they are putting together a partnership that is greater than it’s individual parts. You’ll learn: What they admire most about each other How they navigate and balance their individual intensity Ways they’ve learned to utilize their individual gifts to honor their partnership Makoto Fujimura is a world-class contemporary artist whose process driven, refractive “slow art” has been described by David Brooks of New York Times as “a small rebellion against the quickening of time”. Robert Kushner, in the mid 90’s, written on Fujimura’s art in Art in America this way: “The idea of forging a new kind of art, about hope, healing, redemption, refuge, while maintaining visual sophistication and intellectual integrity is a growing movement, one which finds Makoto Fujimura’s work at the vanguard.” Haejin has extensive litigation and courtroom experience defending and prosecuting over 400 civil lawsuits in both federal and state courts. She is admitted to practice in NY, NJ and PA. She has represented manufacturing, insurance, software, e-commerce, franchise, real estate, hotel, restaurant, design, automobile, and transportation companies, nonprofit organizations, and individuals in matters involving contract, partnership dispute, directors/officers liability, corporate governance, business formation, trademark, personal injury, general/premises liability, and subrogation. She also has represented various companies as Outside General Counsel. Haejin is actively involved in the legal and local communities and serves on multiple charities. In 2015, Haejin was invited by Ministry of Health and Welfare of South Korean government to speak on U.S. nonprofit corporation law. She has also spoken at various community and legal organizations to encourage the youth and promote professionalism. To lea
S6 E40 · Thu, April 13, 2023
What’s Your Instinctual Stack? feat. EnneaApp Creator Elan Benami (Type 6)
What is an Instinctual Stack? Do you know yours? We all have three instincts. None of us are absent one. However, one does tend to be dominant. But what are instincts and how do they influence how each type shows up in the world? Today’s guest, Elan Benami, creator of the EnneaApp and author of Enneagram Patterns & Poetics, provides a great overview of Instincts, Subtypes, and the Instinctual Stack and shares how they play out for him in his personal and professional life. – Elan is an LPC with a MA in Transpersonal Counseling Psychology and BA in Philosophy. In addition to his own private counseling practice, Elan is the Clinical Director of People House - a non-profit that provides affordable counseling in Colorado. Elan was introduced to the Enneagram in 2008 by his first therapist. He then did intense studying with Lori Ohlson, who was his supervisor. Claudio Naranjo was Lori's primary teacher, so there is a deep kinship with his work. Other major Enneagram teachers who have shaped Elan include Helen Palmer, Russ Hudson, Don Riso, and Sandra Maitri. Elan and Lori Ohlson have co-facilitated many Enneagram classes/workshops, most of them in the narrative tradition. Through Lori’s Enneagram material (of over 25 years of teaching the Enneagram), Elan created the EnneaApp , initially for the purpose of having something to quickly reference between sessions. Through the years, he has adapted the content to be more reflective of his own experience while also preserving Lori’s lineage. The app has over 1.5 million downloads. Follow the Typology Podcast on Apple , Spotify , or your favorite podcast player to hear the latest episodes. You can also follow us @typologypodcast on Instagram , Facebook , and Twitter . Learn more about Elan BenAmi: https://www.linkedin.com/in/elanbenami/ EnneaApp Enne
S6 E39 · Thu, April 06, 2023
Replay: Healing from past sufferings, feat. Dr. Dan Allender (Type 8)
How has your past uniquely prepared you to experience more joy? In today’s replay of one of my favorite episodes, Dr. Dan Allender and I explore this question in an insightful conversation about healing the heart from trauma, rewriting the broken stories we adopt as children, and the overlap with the Enneagram. Professor of counseling psychology at The Seattle School and founder of The Allender Center, Dr. Dan Allender has pioneered a unique therapy centered around his innovative theory and training in transforming betrayal, ambivalence, and powerlessness into faith, hope, and love. He’s a popular podcaster on The Allender Center Podcast and the author of Healing the Wondered Heart, The Wounded Heart, The Healing Path, To Be Told and God Loves Sex, and Redeeming Heartache: How Past Suffering Reveals Our True Calling. Learn more about Dr. Allender at https://theallendercenter.org or follow him @allendercenter on Facebook and Instagram. -- Follow the Typology Podcast on Apple , Spotify , or your favorite podcast player to hear the latest episodes. You can also follow us @typologypodcast on Instagram , Facebook , and Twitter .
S6 E38 · Thu, March 30, 2023
How the Enneagram Can Help You Build Emotional Intelligence, feat. Scott Allender (Type 3)
Research has shown that Emotional Intelligence (EI) is one of the biggest predictors of personal and professional success. But how do you develop it? Today’s guest, expert in global leadership and organizational development and co-host of The Evolving Leader Podcast, Scott Allender joins Ian to discuss what emotional intelligence actually is, how the Enneagram aligns with the five essential skills needed to cultivate it, and shares the importance of reclaiming our lost parts for true healing and wholeness. Scott Allender is an expert in global leadership and organizational development. Along with co-hosting The Evolving Leader podcast, he regularly teaches Enneagram workshops and conducts typing interviews and emotional intelligence assessments for individuals and teams who seek to become more radically self-aware and cognizant of the impact they have on the world. To learn more about your personality-specific path toward lasting emotional intelligence and health, pre-order your copy of The Enneagram of Emotional Intelligence today. Follow the Typology Podcast on Apple , Spotify , or your favorite podcast player to hear the latest episodes. You can also follow us @typologypodcast on Instagram , Facebook , and Twitter .
S6 E37 · Thu, March 23, 2023
Singer-Songwriter Cindy Morgan on the Enneagram (Type 4)
This week, my dear friend and gifted songwriter, Cindy Morgan, joins me for a great conversation about Enneagram Fours, including the push-pull dance of fours in relationships, the well of suffering we can get trapped in, and the importance of authenticity. We also discuss the story behind her debut novel, The Year of Jubilee, and explore how she integrated the Enneagram into the main characters' development. About Cindy Morgan Singer/songwriter Cindy L. Morgan is a two-time Grammy nominee, a thirteen-time Dove winner, and a recipient of the prestigious Songwriter of the Year trophy. An East Tennessee native, her evocative melodies and lyrics have mined the depths of life and love both in her own recording and through songwriting for noteworthy artists around the globe, including Vince Gill, India.Arie, Rascal Flatts, Amy Grant, Sandra McCracken, and Glen Campbell. Cindy is the author of two works of adult nonfiction—the memoir How Could I Ask for More: Stories of Blessings, Battles & Beauty (Worthy Inspire, 2015) and Barefoot on Barbed Wire: A Journey Out of Fear into Freedom (Harvest House Publishers, 2001)—and of the children's picture book Dance Me, Daddy (ZonderKidz, 2009). The Year of Jubilee is her debut novel. Cindy is a co-creator of the charitable Hymns for Hunger Tour, which has raised awareness and resources for hunger relief organizations across the globe. Cindy has two daughters and splits her time living between a small town near Nashville and Holly Springs, North Carolina, with her husband Jonathan. To learn more about Cindy Morgan, follow her on Instagram , Facebook or visit her website . Pre-order her new book, The Year of Jubilee . ----- Follow the Typology Podcast on Apple , Spotify , or your favorite podcast player to hear the latest episodes. You can also follow us @typologypodcast on Instagram , Facebook , and Twitter .
S6 E36 · Thu, March 16, 2023
Three Words That Change Everything, feat. Mark Batterson (Type 3)
As the New York Times bestselling author of 23 books and lead pastor of National Community Church, Mark Batterson believes that the foundation of all healthy relationships and successful careers stems from our proficiency in these three words: Please. Sorry. Thanks. All three of these words require a posture of humility. All three of these words unlock the law of reciprocity and foster connection and understanding. As Mark puts it, “to me, ‘please’ is a way of being others-focused and honoring others. It’s going against the tide of entitlement. I don’t want to operate in that way. I want to operate in a way that honors others.” This week, Mark Batterson returns to Typology to discuss how these three powerful words impact leadership, relationships, and a healthy mindset. We also explore the distinction between self-awareness and self-consciousness, and the role self-awareness plays in allowing us to give a timely “please,” a sincere “sorry,” and a heartfelt “thanks.” — Mark Batterson is the lead pastor of the National Community Church (NCC) in Washington, D.C. One church in multiple locations, NCC owns and operates Ebenezers Coffeehouse and the DC Dream Center. NCC is currently developing a city block into The Capital Turnaround - this 100,000-square-foot space will include an event venue, child development center, and mixed-use marketplace. Mark holds a doctor of ministry degree from Regent University and is the New York Times bestselling author of 23 books, including Please Sorry Thanks: The Three Words That Change Everything (Multnomah/Penguin Random House; on-sale 4/4/23) and Win the Day , as well as several books for children, including The Best Worst Day Ever (on sale 2/21/23; Multnomah/Penguin Random House), written with his daughter Summer. Pre-order his latest book, Please Sorry Thanks: The Three Words That Change Everything . To learn more about Mark Batterson, follow him on Instagram , Facebook , and <a href= "https://www.twitter.com/markbatterso
S6 E35 · Thu, March 09, 2023
Permission to be honest, feat. Kate Bowler (Type 2)
When Kate Bowler was diagnosed with Stage IV cancer, she was forced to grapple with the cultural scripts that box us into a tidy story about how we “earn our lives and get what we deserve,” and that “anything is possible.” But what if those scripts aren’t true? She joins me for an open conversation about her chronic sadness, suffering, and pain, and invites us to be honest about the lives that can’t be fixed. She reminds us that “we are people to be loved, not problems to be solved.” Kate Bowler is the New York Times bestselling author of Everything Happens for a Reason (And Other Lies I’ve Loved) , No Cure for Being Human (And Other Truths I Need to Hear) , and Good Enough . She is the host of the popular podcast, Everything Happens . A Duke University professor, she earned a master’s degree in religion from Yale Divinity School and a Ph.D. from Duke University.
S6 E34 · Thu, March 02, 2023
What actually makes and happy and healthy life? feat. Dr. Robert Waldinger (Type 3)
What actually makes a fulfilling and meaningful life? Today, Dr. Robert Waldinger, Director of the Harvard Study of Adult Development , reveals the key to real happiness is the strength of our connections and relationships with others. “The people who stay happiest, healthiest, and live the longest have the warmest relationships with other people, “explains Dr. Waldinger. Dr. Waldinger shares the findings of the longest scientific study of happiness, shedding light on the common misconceptions of happiness, how meaningful human connection impacts our health, and what we can do to strengthen existing or forge new relationships. Dr. Robert Waldinger is a professor of psychiatry at Harvard Medical School, director of the Harvard Study of Adult Development at Massachusetts General Hospital, and cofounder of the Lifespan Research Foundation. In The Good Life , Dr. Waldinger teaches you how to proactively create happiness by focusing on what keeps you healthy rather than what makes you sick.
S6 E33 · Thu, February 23, 2023
How to 'Get It Right,' with Andy and Sandra Stanley (Type 1s)
What are your parenting goals? What does a “win” look like for you? Andy and Sandra Stanley determined years ago that their primary goal as parents was to build strong, healthy relationships with their children that continue into their adulthood. “Our legacy is the relationships, the health of the relationships, and the healthy people in the relationships we leave behind,” says Sandra. “We wanted to lay a foundation for our kids early of understanding that life is relationships. And, we wanted them to understand how to restore a broken relationship.” This week, Andy and Sandra join me to discuss their latest book, Parenting: Getting It Right , and we share an honest conversation about the importance of intentional parenting, equipping our kids for relational success, and the art of restoring a broken relationship. ---- Communicator, author, and pastor Andy Stanley founded Atlanta-based North Point Ministries (NPM) in 1995. As host of Your Move with Andy Stanley, which delivers over 10.5 million messages each month through television, digital platforms, and podcasts, and author of more than 20 books, Andy is considered one of the most influential pastors in America. Sandra Stanley received her bachelor of science degree from Georgia Tech and master of arts from Dallas Theological Seminary. Sandra has a heart for foster kids and foster families, as she and Andy have been foster parents since 2010. Her ministry passion is promoting foster care in the local church. Much of her time these days is spent working on various writing projects and continuing her involvement with Fostering Together, the foster care initiative at North Point Ministries. In their new book, Parenting: Getting It Right , Andy and Sandra combine their experience and wisdom into a guide that helps readers understand and live by essential parenting principles. Visit Andy’s website and Sandra’s website to learn more about both of them and their new book.
S6 E32 · Thu, February 16, 2023
How to set boundaries without losing your self, with Lysa TerKeurst (Type 9)
Several years ago we had Lysa TerKeurst on our show and discussed not confusing the desire for peace with the disease to please. Today, Lysa joins us again for a deep conversation about learning to set good boundaries and where she notices her struggle to maintain them. “It’s not that I don’t want to be clear,” Lysa says, “it’s that sometimes I care so much about what the other person is feeling, that I forget it’s not my job to own their feelings or manage their feelings. It’s my job to be kind but clear. It’s their job to manage their feelings.” Listen as Lysa demonstrates the immense amount of work she has done over the past few years to establish solid boundaries and find groundedness as an Enneagram Nine. ---------------- Lysa TerKeurst is a New York Times bestselling author of more than 25 books with more than 6 million books in print. Her most recent books include Good Boundaries and Goodbyes, Forgiving What You Can't Forget, and It's Not Supposed to Be This Way. She is president and chief visionary officer of Proverbs 31 Ministries. Lysa writes from her family’s farm table in North Carolina. In her recent book, Good Boundaries and Goodbyes , Lysa helps you stop the dysfunction of unhealthy relationships by showing you biblical ways to set boundaries--and, when necessary, say goodbye--without losing the best of who you are. To learn more about Lysa visit her website or follow her on social @LysaTerkeurst and @Proverbs31Ministries. Hear similar episodes here: Lysa TerKeurst episode in 2019 , Panel of Nines , Type 9s with Beatrice Chestnut , Andy Gullahorn on Forming Own Opinions
S6 E31 · Thu, February 09, 2023
Letting Hope Abound with Dr. Greg Jones, President of Belmont University (Type 3)
As President of Belmont University, Dr. Greg Jones sees the importance of connection and community and puts a strong emphasis on molding character through storytelling. “I think that people are yearning for that sense of hope and that sense of community,” says Dr. Jones, “and, I think, to be able to hear one another’s stories, share one another’s stories, and find a story worth living.” This week, we talk to Greg about whole-person formation, learning to share our stories well, and looking toward a future full of possibilities. --- Dr. Jones is an author, gifted speaker, media contributor and thought leader in higher education, social innovation and theology. His most recent book, Navigating the Future: Traditioned Innovation for Wilder Seas outlines his perspective on traditioned innovation as “a habit of being and living that cultivates a certain kind of moral imagination shaped by storytelling and expressed in creative, transformational action.” To learn more about Dr. Greg Jones, view his profile at LinkedIn or Belmont University .
S6 E30 · Thu, February 02, 2023
Preempting Pain as a Counterphobic Six with Josh Shipp (Type 6)
As a former at-risk foster kid, Shipp found it difficult to trust adults: “The way I defined trustworthiness was: are you gonna not give up on me when I show you what I'm capable of? When I show you all my ugliness and all of my past and everything you didn't cause, but now you're gonna be dealing with…can you handle all of that?” Josh Shipp wants to pass that experience on to as many others as he can, so those adults can care for the kids in the way he needed: “Every kid is one caring adult away from being a success story.” This week, we talk to Josh Shipp about how growing up in foster homes and being a counterphobic six has impacted his current work as a global youth empowerment expert. Josh Shipp is an author & youth advocate, and television producer of a documentary TV series on A&E that follows his groundbreaking work with youth and families. He has written two national bestsellers, “The Grown-Up’s Guide to Teenage Humans,” winner of the Nautilus Gold Award for Parenting & Family – and “The Teen’s Guide to World Domination. Episode Links: YouTube Apple Spotify
S6 E29 · Thu, January 26, 2023
Bo Rinehart Teams Up with His Inner Child to Reframe Past Trauma (Type 4)
Two years following his departure from the band, NEEDTOBREATHE, Bo is releasing a candid look at his past with childlike wonder and self-realization under a new name, Coy Roy: “I got into therapy and began to dig into my childhood and why the trajectory of my life took a different path. I left my six-year-old self back there, and we went different places. [Now I’m] recognizing that I'm not going anywhere and that I'm gonna have to face this. I'm gonna have to deal with it.” This week, we talk to Bo Rinehart about emotional depth, his ability to bare his soul to his listeners, and what it means to take an honest look at his past while diving head first into his future endeavors. Bo Rinehart is a founding member of the Grammy Nominated band NEEDTOBREATHE. He is also an accomplished visual artist. To learn more about Bo Rinehart follow him on Instagram , check out his artwork at Bo Rinehart Studio and listen to his latest single as Coy Roy, “ I'm Right Here ” . Episode Links: YouTube Apple Spotify
S6 E28 · Thu, January 19, 2023
For Bonnie Smith Whitehouse, Wonder is An Antidote to Toxic Certainty (Type 2)
Throughout her 20+ years of teaching, Professor Bonnie Smith Whitehouse, has seen a significant change in her students' ties to religion. “I've seen them completely abandon spirituality because that drug of certainty has just gotten too toxic for them,” says Whitehouse. “And so, what is really powerful to me is wonder. It's always been really powerful to me, as an Enneagram 2.” This week, we talk to Bonnie Smith Whitehouse about how being an Enneagram 2 has opened her eyes to an alternate posture toward spirituality. — Bonnie Smith Whitehouse, PhD , is a writer and professor who studies storytelling, creativity, contemplation, and wonder. Check out her book, Seasons Of Wonder To learn more about Bonnie Smith Whitehouse, follow her on Instagram , or visit her website .
S6 E27 · Thu, January 12, 2023
Sissy Goff on Why We Should Name Our Worries (Type 1)
As the director of adolescent counseling at Daystar Counseling in Nashville, TN, Sissy Goff has seen first-hand how anxious behavior in children has been fueled by unrealistic social expectations. But according to Goff, one way to address that worry in kids is by teaching them self-talk: “I have them give the worry a name, because we all think of the voice in the back of our head as truth until we learn differently. And so to separate it out. I'll call it the worry monster. I have one girl who named her’s, Bob. But adolescents come up with their own names. [So they can say] I'm not listening to you. You're always wrong. You always make me feel incapable.” This week, we talk to Sissy Goff about how being an Enneagram 1 helps her in her work with young girls. — Sissy Goff, MEd, LPC-MHSP, spends most of her days counseling girls and their families alongside her assistant/pet therapist, Lucy the Havanese. Sissy serves as the director of child and adolescent counseling for Daystar Counseling Ministries(Nashville, TN) where she has worked with girls and their families for more than 25 years. Check out her book, Raising Worry-Free Girls: Helping Your Daughter Feel Braver, Stronger, and Smarter in an Anxious World . To learn more about Sissy Goff, follow her on Instagram , or visit her website .
S6 E22 · Thu, January 05, 2023
4 questions to start off 2023
No matter where we fall on the Enneagram, intentionality is a crucial posture to take into the new year. This week, we model how you can think ahead in the new year by drawing a few questions out of a hat and reflecting on the year to come.
S6 E22 · Thu, December 29, 2022
5 Questions for Reflecting on the Year
A special offer for our podcast listeners: sign up for the Typology Institute today to get access to all 3 courses and other monthly perks. Go to typologyinstitute.com/workplace and use the code TYPOLOGYPODCAST for 30% savings through the end of 2022 only. The Enneagram is all about self-knowledge, self-reflection and learning about ourselves. We close out the year with today’s episode, and talk through some questions that will help us reflect on our year and look back on what we learned.
S6 E21 · Thu, December 22, 2022
Return of the Mailbag: Ian Answers Even More of Your Questions
A special offer for our podcast listeners: sign up for the Typology Institute today to get access to all 3 courses and other monthly perks. Go to typologyinstitute.com/workplace and use the code TYPOLOGYPODCAST for 30% savings through the end of 2022 only. This week, we take a phone call from a friend. Also: the benefits of the Enneagram for those in recovery. Tune in to hear our discussion on these topics, plus a few more. And for a chance to have your questions answered on-air, leave us a comment on social or email us at typology@ianmorgancron.com.
S6 Enull · Thu, December 15, 2022
Unlocked: Anxiety and the Enneagram
A special offer for our podcast listeners: sign up for the Typology Institute today to get access to all 3 courses and other monthly perks. Go to typologyinstitute.com/workplace and use the code TYPOLOGYPODCAST for 30% savings through the end of 2022 only. Every month, we record a secret ad-free podcast episode exclusively for Typology Institute Members. This week, we’re giving you special access to a conversation between Ian and Anthony about the nature of anxiety and how it relates to the Enneagram. In addition to the Enneagram in the Workplace Course and monthly podcast episodes like this, the Typology Institute Membership includes: A monthly live Town Hall Q&A session with Ian about a specific topic. A monthly newsletter from Ian that shares thoughts around personal development, Enneagram insights, and spiritual formation. The “Hidden Gems of the Enneagram” video series (more video series coming soon).
S6 E20 · Thu, December 08, 2022
Mailbag: Ian Answers Your Questions
A special offer for our podcast listeners: sign up for the Typology Institute today to get access to all 3 courses and other monthly perks. Go to typologyinstitute.com/workplace and use the code TYPOLOGYPODCAST for 30% savings through the end of 2022 only. I receive so many questions from our listeners via email and social media that I don’t get to respond to them all. But I want you to know I’m paying attention! So, this week, Anthony pulls a few more audience questions for me to answer. I share some thoughts about how “right action” works for an Enneagram 9, the ins and outs of meditation, and how to tell whether you are a 1 or a 5. Tune in to hear our discussion on these topics, plus a few more. And for a chance to have your questions answered on-air, leave us a comment on social or email us at typology@ianmorgancron.com.
Thu, December 01, 2022
Best Of: Part 2 of Andy Stanley on Decision-Making with the Enneagram
Podcast listeners: sign up for the Typology Institute today to get access to all 3 courses and other monthly perks. Go to typologyinstitute.com/workplace and use the code TYPOLOGYPODCAST for 30% savings through the end of 2022 only. Hey folks! Last week, I shared one of my favorite episodes in which the host of The Andy Stanley Leadership Podcast, founder of North Point Ministries, and author of Better Decisions, Fewer Regrets , Andy Stanley and I talked about how your type makes decisions. This week we continue our conversation and cover how each Enneagram type responds when decisions are made for them that impact their life circumstances.
Thu, November 24, 2022
Best Of: Andy Stanley on Decision-Making with the Enneagram
We’re off for Thanksgiving, but while we’re gone, I wanted to share one of my favorite conversations I’ve been a part of about the Enneagram. Make sure to check us out next week for part two! In this episode, The host of The Andy Stanley Leadership Podcast, founder of North Point Ministries, and author of Better Decisions, Fewer Regrets , Andy Stanley takes over as host and interviews me on how each type makes decisions. To learn more about the Enneagram and how to use it in the business world, visit typologyinstitute.com/work/
Bonus · Thu, November 17, 2022
Unlocked: Mindfulness and the Enneagram, A Members-Only Podcast Episode
We’ve got a special treat for you this week. Every month, we record a secret podcast episode exclusively for Typology Institute Members. But this month, we’re letting you listen to one of our favorites, a conversation with Andrew Chapman, psychotherapist and meditation teacher, about the nature of mindfulness and how it relates to the Enneagram. You won’t want to miss this deep dive into how transformational mindfulness impacts your daily life. Check out the Typology Institute Membership to access a monthly podcast episode like this, plus: A monthly live Town Hall Q&A session with Ian about a specific topic. A monthly newsletter from Ian that shares thoughts around personal development, Enneagram insights, and spiritual formation. The “Hidden Gems of the Enneagram” video series (more video series coming soon).
S6 E19 · Thu, November 10, 2022
Nancy and Samantha Tell a New Story about the Church (Type 3)
Mother & Daughter duo Nancy and Samantha Beach are both leaning into their Enneagram number by tackling one of the most audacious goals possible: addressing the mass exodus from the church, and working to make it more inclusive. As a millennial, Samantha suspects there may be a disconnect within the generations when it comes to messaging: “We're seeing this all across society, all the -isms, right? Racism, sexism, homophobia, all these things. And, I think my friends just wanna know, is the church having these conversations too?” In this episode, we chat about how to create a healthy dialogue between people of different views and age groups, and how working together on that message was the best way to model community for those in the church: “The texture of community is vital. There’s something different about confessing sins together…singing together, even learning together in a room side by side. Then there's something about the conversation before and after, that can happen.” — Nancy Beach (3w4) serves as a leadership coach with theSlingshot Group and on the teaching team at Soul City Church in downtown Chicago. Previously, Nancy served as the programming director at Willow Creek Community Church in suburban Chicago. She is also the author of An Hour on Sunday and Gifted to Lead . Nancy and her husband Warren have two adult daughters, Samantha and Johanna. Samantha Beach Kiley (3w2) is a writer and performer working at the intersection of art and faith. Samantha's creative work has appeared in theatres, churches, and non-profit spaces. She has taught at Northwestern's National High School Institute and Rocky Mountain Repertory Theatre, where she is the co-education director. She and her family have recently moved to Raleigh, NC where Samantha is associate pastor at Church on Morgan in Raleigh. Check out their new book, Next Sunday: An Honest Dialogue About the Future of the Church . To learn more about Nancy Beach, follow her on Twitter , or visit her website . To learn more about Saman
S6 E18 · Thu, November 03, 2022
Irene Rollins Stops Living on Autopilot (Type 9)
For years, Irene Rollins lived on auto-pilot. Unaware of just how motivated by shame she was, it took a jolt to wake her up to the fact that she didn’t have to live a life characterized by fear and defensiveness. It was an addiction to alcohol, made more severe by the pressures of pastoring a church, that finally woke her up to these bigger problems: “Imagine the weight I was carrying. I still had three kids, the dogs, managing life, and I found myself reintroducing alcohol into my life.” From there, things escalated, says Rollins. “My dependency increased over a six year period of time, and I went into a full blown alcohol addiction.” In this episode, we explore the nature of addiction and recovery, including the ways in which every one of us struggle with addiction in our own way. — Irene Rollins is passionate about the physical, mental, emotional and spiritual health of all people. As a certified Emotional Intelligence Coach, she loves to study human behavior, which enables her to understand a wide variety of people, guiding them to be the best version of themselves through her teaching, writing and coaching. She founded the ministry of TWO = ONE with her husband Jimmy with a mission to help build strong marriages that result in healthy families that impact our communities for the better. To learn more about Irene Rollins, follow her on Instagram , visit her ministry, TWO = ONE , or check out her new book, Reframe Your Shame: Experience Freedom from What Holds You Back .
S6 E17 · Thu, October 27, 2022
David Thomas on What Makes a Healthy Parent (Type 1)
As the director of family counseling at Daystar Counseling in Nashville, TN, David Thomas has seen some patterns develop over the years. “Some of the healthiest parents I have worked with over the years are parents in recovery,” says David. “Because you've done your work: those basic tenets of ‘I understand I have a struggle, I need God, I need community.’” Those are principles that apply for everyone, whether in recovery or not, and they reflect a kind of humble acknowledgement of reality that every parent needs. But there’s another way into these concepts: “The other set of parents that I see are the healthiest are those who are using the Enneagram,” says David. “You're getting connected with some of those same things. Understanding, ‘Here's what the shadow side looks like, Here are my traps, Here are my vulnerabilities.” This week, we talk to David Thomas about his own experience dealing with the Enneagram One’s inner monologue, how the shadow side comes out in parenting, and how the Enneagram can help us raise emotionally strong boys. — David Thomas, LMSW, is the director of family counseling at Daystar Counseling in Nashville, TN, and the coauthor of ten books, including the bestselling Wild Things: The Art of Nurturing Boys and Are My Kids on Track? He is the co-host of the top 10 parenting podcast “Raising Boys and Girls.” To learn more about David Thomas, follow him on Instagram , visit his website , or check out his new book, Raising Emotionally Strong Boys: Tools Your Son Can Build On for Life .
S6 E16 · Thu, October 20, 2022
Finding Meaning Beyond Motherhood with Erin S. Lane (Type 5) [S06-0016]
Is motherhood really the hardest job in the world? Is there such a thing as a biological clock? Is motherhood the highest calling? And is it true that you can’t truly know love until you’re a mother? For Erin Lane, the mythology around motherhood has gotten out of hand. “How did we make motherhood an occupational, performative, identity based measure of worth?” This week, we speak to Erin Lane about these questions, and how being an Enneagram 5 has helped her break out of the scripts our culture gives her for motherhood. --- Erin S. Lane is the author of Someone Other Than a Mother: Flipping the Scripts on a Woman’s Purpose and Making Meaning Beyond Motherhood and works as a vocational retreat facilitator. She resides in Raleigh, North Carolina. To learn more about Erin Lane, follow her on Instagram , visit her website , or check out her new book, Someone Other Than a Mother: Flipping the Scripts on a Woman’s Purpose and Making Meaning Beyond Motherhood . REGISTER NOW for Dos and Don’ts of the Enneagram with Ian Morgan Cron to get access to the live webinar with Ian on October 26th at 2pm CST.
S6 E15 · Thu, October 13, 2022
Colin O’Brady Achieves It All (Type 3)
In addition to breaking ten world records, Colin O’Brady’s feats include the world’s first solo, unsupported, and fully human-powered crossing of Antarctica, speed records for the Explorers Grand Slam and the Seven Summits, and the first human-powered ocean row across Drake Passage. Would you be surprised to hear he’s a three on the Enneagram? But as he grows older, his approach to achieving his goals is changing. “It's not the same burning desire, like deep in my bones,” says Colin. Is he losing his “three-ness” or is there something deeper going on here? On this episode of Typology, we explore the ways our approach to goals, and the need to achieve, can evolve over time. — Colin O’Brady is a ten-time world record breaking explorer, speaker, entrepreneur, and expert on mindset. Colin’s highly publicized expeditions have been followed by millions and his work has been featured by The New York Times , The Tonight Show , The Joe Rogan Experience , and The Today Show . He is the author of The New York Times bestseller The Impossible First and now The 12-Hour Walk: Invest One Day, Conquer Your Mind, and Unlock Your Best Life (Scribner; August 2nd).
S6 E14 · Thu, October 06, 2022
Pantsuit Politics’ Sarah and Beth Explore the Divide (Types 1 and 2 ) [S06-0014]
This week, we step bravely into the world of politics, investigating the reasons it feels more divided than ever, and how we can truly listen to one another. Sarah and Beth started discussing these issues from opposite sides of the aisle, and while their positions have changed over time, they still believe in the power of dialoguing with those who disagree. In fact, they see their shifting positions on politics and government as a sign of the value of truly hearing one another out. But listening can be difficult when so many are leading with anger and rage. And those are emotions that signal something deeper beneath the surface than merely strong opinions on policy: “Instead of starting from ‘what's wrong with you’,” says Sarah, it’s better to start with “What happened? How did you get here?” — Sarah Stewart Holland and Beth Silvers host Pantsuit Politics podcast, named by Apple Podcasts as one of the Best Shows of 2021. They are also the authors of Now What? How to Move Forward When We’re Divided (About Basically Everything) (2022) and I Think You’re Wrong (But I’m Listening): A Guide to Grace-Filled Political Conversation (2019).
S6 E13 · Thu, September 29, 2022
Maud Newton on the Repetitions in Her Family (Type 4) [S06-0013]
When Maud Newton read about the traits of the Enneagram Four, she had to laugh out of pure recognition. “On my mother's side, there was this impulse toward larger than life stories. There wasn't really shame around difficult histories and that sort of thing. The greatest sin was to be boring.” Maud’s ancestors were anything but boring. In this episode, Maud shares what she’s learned about herself through exploring her ancestors' lives, and explains how we’re setting ourselves up to repeat our ancestors’ trauma and toxic patterns if we aren’t able to acknowledge them first. — Maud Newton has written for The New York Times Magazine, Harper’s, The New York Times Book Review, and Oxford American. She grew up in Miami and graduated from the University of Florida with degrees in English and law.
S6 E12 · Thu, September 22, 2022
Mattie Jackson Wanted to Be The Best 28-Year Old Widow (Type 3) [S06-0012]
Just three weeks shy of their one-year anniversary, the unthinkable happened. Mattie’s 28-year-old husband died unexpectedly, leaving her with a massive hole in her life. But being an Enneagram three becomes a double-edged sword in grief: “This compulsion to perform that I have, in whatever I'm doing, was one of my greatest assets in my grief,” says Jackson, who adds, “It was also one of the things that I had to be the most careful to keep in check.” This week, we hear how she pursued personal growth and balance through her grief, and managed to come out on the other side with hope, ambition, and her love for her former husband intact. Mattie Jackson Selecman is an author, podcaster, speaker, and co-founder NaSHEville , a women's philanthropic apparel brand serving orphans, widows, and victims of human trafficking. To learn more about Mattie, follow her on Instagram , check out her new book, Lemons on Friday , or visit her website .
S6 E11 · Thu, September 15, 2022
Mary Gauthier Has Six Decades Worth of Story (Type 8)
Grammy-nominated singer-songwriter Mary Gauthier has experienced abandonment from her mother, put herself in positions where she would inevitably be betrayed, come to terms with the power of her anger, and found herself struggling with addiction and alcoholism. But for Mary, so much of that tumult and life experience came from a sense of internal intensity. “The self-destructive and self-constructive forces inside of me,” she says, “are both very, very strong.” That conflict often can be too much to bear for many. But for Mary, it was songwriting that gave her the space and opportunity to work it all out. In the end, those six decades were time enough for her story to be reframed, rewritten, and even redeemed. To learn more about Mary, follow her on Instagram , check out her new book, Saved by a Song , or visit her website .
S6 E10 · Thu, September 08, 2022
Success is Never Enough with Steve Taylor (Type 7)
Every creative has a dream project: something they’d love to do if they had infinite time and resources. But what if you got the chance to pull off that dream project, and it didn’t succeed? That’s what happened to Steve Taylor, who poured himself into directing Blue Like Jazz , only to see a middling response at the theater. To him, that result felt like humiliation. This week, we hear about how his experience creating art for a living has changed his approach to success, risk-taking, and his own personal worth. Filmmaker/writer/producer/recording artist/entrepreneur Steve Taylor earned his “Renaissance Man” stripes (Prism Magazine) from a body of work that’s garnered him multiple Grammy, Billboard, Telly, Addy, and Dove awards and nominations. As a recording artist, he’s sold over one million albums worldwide, garnered two Grammy nominations for Meltdown (1984) and Squint (1993), and made history as the only artist to twice win Billboard Music Video Awards for self-directed music videos. He also fronted the MCA-signed rock band Chagall Guevara.
S6 E9 · Thu, September 01, 2022
Spiritual Bypassing with AJ Sherrill (Type 3)
This week, we’re going deep! With the help of the author of The Enneagram for Spiritual Formation , we discuss the various ways the Enneagram can be used narcissistically, and how to avoid those pitfalls. Then, we discuss spiritual bypassing, or the ways each type can end up evading the essential personal work they need to do to grow as an individual. AJ Sherrill (DMin, Fuller Theological Seminary) has more than twenty years of experience as a pastor, including as lead pastor at Mars Hill Bible Church in Grand Rapids, Michigan. He is now lead pastor at St. Peter's Church in Mount Pleasant, South Carolina. He is an adjunct professor at Fuller Theological Seminary, where he teaches popular courses on transformational preaching and the Enneagram. Sherrill leads Enneagram workshops across the country and is the author of The Enneagram for Spiritual Formation and Being with God .
S6 E8 · Thu, August 25, 2022
After Grief, Shauna Niequest Finds a Deeper Empathy (Type 7)
In the span of a few years, Shauna Niequest found herself experiencing a series of changes and heartbreaks that left her feeling like a completely different person. But in the end, she found herself more easily feeling empathy for those who were going through grief themselves. In this episode, Shauna and and I discuss the importance of finding the right geographical place for who you are, the various practices that can help us work through our grief, and how our attempts to outrun grief will always catch up with us. Shauna Niequist is the New York Times bestselling author of Present Over Perfect and I Guess I Haven’t Learned That Yet . She is married to Aaron, and they live in New York City with their sons, Henry and Mac. Shauna is a bookworm, a storyteller, and a passionate gatherer of people, especially around the table.
S6 E7 · Thu, August 18, 2022
Julie Solomon’s Search for Acceptance (Type 3)
When her husband discovered Julie Solomon’s thirty thousand dollars of credit card debt, she became acutely aware of how her narrative about herself had failed her. But that moment also kicked off a mutual journey of growth in her marriage. In this episode, Julie explains how being an Enneagram 3 can be a burden as well as a gift, how growing up in a lower-income household led to a complicated relationship with money, and how being married to an Enneagram 4 taught her not to have all the answers. Julie Solomon is a Speaker, Business Coach, Host of the top rated The Influencer Podcast , and Author of the book, Get What You Want: How to Go From Unseen to Unstoppable (HarperCollins Leadership, June 7, 2022). Get What You Want teaches you how to shake off outdated ideas of what is possible and use your newfound belief to make anything you want happen. Julie has launched several successful online programs including Pitch It Perfect, The Influencer Academy, and SHINE Mastermind, which teach clients how to master the skill sets needed to take a personal brand idea and turn it into a profitable, sustainable. In her weekly podcast, The Influencer Podcast , Julie offers up real-time coaching, straight talk, and conversations to her millions of listeners worldwide.
S6 E6 · Thu, August 11, 2022
Living in the Present with Jeanne Stevens (Type 8)
For Jeanne Stevens, it didn't take long to see herself in her Enneagram type. But it took the experience of facing three deep losses in a short period of time to finally learn how to process—and ultimately let go—of grief, freeing her up to truly live in the present. In today's episode, Jeanne shares how a childhood experience led her to believe a narrative about her life that no longer serves her. She also shares the ways she's learned to live in the present through noticing and naming what's happening around her, asking and answering the all-important question: "What's Here Now?" Jeanne Stevens is the founding and co-lead pastor of Soul City Church in Chicago, one of America's fastest growing urban churches. Prior to starting Soul City Church, Stevens was on the pastoral staff at Willow Creek Community Church and North Point Community Church. A sought-after speaker, leader, and writer, Jeanne's passion is to help people wake up to their purpose as they pursue a life of wholehearted freedom. She lives in Chicago with her husband, Jarrett, and their two children.
S6 E5 · Thu, August 04, 2022
Mallory Ervin Shares the Blessing of Her Crash (Type 3)
Known for exuding energy, joy, and laughter, former Miss Kentucky and three-time contestant of The Amazing Race , Mallory Ervin reveals her fear of being average and how her hunger to achieve publicly resulted in a big wake-up call. In today’s episode, we explore her personal story of overcoming the unhealthy and damaging patterns in her life, the turning point that made her go to treatment, and how her time in recovery helped unmask and reveal her true self, allowing her to “live fully.” Mallory Ervin is a Kentucky-grown, Nashville-living dreamer who had a roundabout way of arriving at today. From her time in the Miss America pageant to being a three-time contestant on The Amazing Race , Mallory turned her passion for sharing her love of fashion, beauty, and life into a platform for impact. Today she runs a global lifestyle brand she founded in 2016, hosts the Living Fully podcast where she encourages and inspires her dedicated following to seek joy and live fully, and appears across platforms ranging from Instagram to YouTube sharing her life and message of living fully.
S6 E4 · Thu, July 28, 2022
Identify Your Origin Story with S.O.A.R. (Step 4: Rewrite)
What is the life that you want to live? The final step of S.O.A.R. is to rewrite your old story and write a new one that is fulfilling and true to who you are. The goal is to challenge the old, taken for granted, broken beliefs of your old story and lean into what the future looks like. So how do you do that? In today’s episode, I’ll walk you through a few proactive approaches you can take for lasting transformation. For more exercises, reflection prompts, and guided questions, pick up a copy of The Story of You Workbook .
S6 E3 · Thu, July 21, 2022
Identify Your Origin Story with S.O.A.R. (Step 3: Awaken)
This week, we’re talking about Step 3 of S.O.A.R. and what it means to awaken. We’ll explore mindfulness practice, why all of us need to develop this muscle, and we will share a few more tips for rewriting your story. This is just the sort of work I lead you through in my new The Story of You Workbook. Get your copy here .
S6 E2 · Thu, July 14, 2022
Identify Your Origin Story with S.O.A.R. (Step 2: Own) [S06-002)
What has your broken narrative cost you? This week, we're moving on to step 2 of the acronym S.O.A.R. from The Story of You , which is to 'own' your story. I explain what it means to 'own' your story and why this step is essential on your journey toward transformation. For more exercises, reflection prompts, and guided questions that can help you make lasting changes, pick up a copy of The Story of You Workbook .
S6 E1 · Thu, July 07, 2022
Identify Your Origin Story with S.O.A.R. (Step 1: See)
For the next four weeks, I’m going to walk you through each step of the acronym S.O.A.R. to help you identify and rewrite your origin story. The S.O.A.R. acronym is four simple steps you can begin to journey through in order to relax your grip on the old story and craft a new one. In this episode, I explain the first step of S.O.A.R. which is to ‘see’ how you became who you are today. In order to narrate a new story, we must first explore and accept our history. I share a few questions to get you started on this journey. For more exercises, reflection prompts, and guided questions that can help you transform your life, check out The Story of You Workbook (available now for pre-order).
S5 E49 · Thu, June 30, 2022
Feeding Your Brain to Become Your Best Self, feat. Max Lugavere, Type 3
When growing in self-awareness, it’s important to be able to recognize, or identify, what your triggers are. If you’re a regular listener, you’ve heard me talk about how critical meditation and journaling are to strengthen your ability to respond to life rather than react. But, how we treat our bodies is also important. When I notice I feel anxious, envious, or irritable, I like to pause and notice how I’m feeling physically. I ask myself, “how did I sleep last night?”, “do I need to go for a walk?” or “what have I eaten today?” At times, simply drinking some water or having a good, healthy meal helps me process what I’m truly feeling. How you eat not only fuels your body but also fuels your mind. It allows you to pause and reflect, and make intentional decisions. In today’s episode, health and science journalist, Max Lugavere joins me for a conversation about the connection between food and cognitive health. Tune into this interesting discussion on how to feed your brain to live a more full life…no matter your Enneagram type. Max Lugavere is a filmmaker, health and science journalist and the author of the New York Times bestseller Genius Foods: Become Smarter, Happier, and More Productive While Protecting Your Brain for Life . He’s also the host of the #1 iTunes health podcast, The Genius Life and regularly appears on the Dr. Oz Show , T he Rachael Ray Show , and The Doctors . For more on Max, visit https://geniuskitchenbook.com
S5 E48 · Thu, June 23, 2022
Pathological: More than a Diagnosis, feat. Sarah Fay (Type 5)
After reading Pathological: The True Story of Six Misdiagnoses , I was delighted to have the opportunity to sit down and discuss the book with author Sarah Fay. In this exploration of the ways we pathologize our human experiences, Sarah opens the door to a new conversation about mental health. In this episode, Sarah shares: How and why do we categorize ourselves to make everyday life easier How any diagnosis can turn into a self-fulfilling prophecy Her recommendations for when you are handed a diagnoses Why recognizing signals in your body can help you learn how to process feelings and emotions Sarah Fay (Ph.D., Iowa MFA) is an award-winning author and mental health advocate working to improve how we think and talk about mental health by moving the conversation away from simplistic diagnoses and toward a deeper understanding of our mental and emotional lives. Her personal experience of being diagnosed with six different mental health disorders and finding no relief led her to investigate the diagnoses we receive and to write her journalistic memoir, Pathological: The True Story of Six Misdiagnoses which Apple Books chose as one of the Best Books in March. Sarah has shared her story on NPR, Salon, and more. I hope you find this conversation as fascinating as I did. Be sure to share the episode with your friends and family.
S5 E47 · Thu, June 16, 2022
The Resilience of the Mind, feat. Dr. Caroline Leaf
This week we’re continuing our series on feeding the brain. There’s an ample amount of research about the importance of tapping into the mind-body connection, or tuning into our emotional and mental states, to rewire our neuropathways and relieve anxiety, depression, and intrusive thoughts. Dr. Caroline Leaf joins me for a fascinating conversation about “cleaning up the mental mess” and taking back control over your thoughts and life. In today’s episode, Dr. Leaf: explains the difference between the “mind” and the “brain” discusses how to use the conscious mind to connect with your nonconscious mind walks us through her neurocycle program to detox and rebuild the brain
S5 E46 · Thu, June 09, 2022
Unveiling Wholeness through Neuroscience and the Enneagram, feat. Dr. Rick Hanson and Forrest Hanson
Your brain is a fascinating place that makes you who you are. It is also an endless source of information about how all of humanity not only organizes information but how we make meaning in the world every day. Using the latest advances in neuroscience and the wisdom of the Enneagram, Dr. Rick Hanson and Forrest Hanson join me for a deep conversation about using neuroscience to unveil our inner wholeness. They provide specific practices we can all use to awaken to our true selves. To learn more about Dr. Rick Hanson and Forrest Hanson, visit https://rickhanson.net and
S5 E45 · Thu, June 02, 2022
Couples' Insights from Ian and Anne Cron
Today, our longtime friends, Michael and Julianne Cusick, join us as special co-hosts to interview Anne and me about how the Enneagram has strengthened our marriage of 33 years. We explore the low sides of our types and how they've negatively impacted our marriage and how we’ve overcome that, discuss the ways our types have helped us each grow, and highlight the important role of self-compassion. Tune in to this very special episode on Apple, Spotify, or your favorite podcast player. Cheers, Ian P.S. We’re offering the full episode exclusively to our Typology Institute Members. So, to hear the rest of our interview, become a member today at https://typologyinstitute.com/membership .
S5 E44 · Thu, May 26, 2022
Couples Insights from Ian w/Jon and Tristen Collins
Expressing our emotions is vulnerable, and vulnerability is the secret sauce of relationships. So how do an Enneagram Two and an Enneagram 5, who approach emotions from very different angles, maintain a strong marriage? In today’s episode, I revisit my conversation with Jon and Tristen Collins, authors of Why Emotions Matter, to explore what they’ve learned about each other and how they meet in the middle to build a more intimate relationship.
S5 E43 · Thu, May 19, 2022
Couples Insights from Ian w/Abner and Amanda Ramirez (Johnnyswim)
This week we continue our focus on couples and the Enneagram by taking another look at my conversation with Abner and Amanda Ramirez (better known as Johnnyswim). I break down a few sections I found that exemplify the ways their types complement each other as well as where they might struggle. If you’d like to know more about how you and your partner can better relate to each other, get a copy of your couples report here . (Use the code COUPLES to get 10% off). P.S. Abner and Amanda have a new album out titled, Johnnsywim . Check it out.
S5 E42 · Thu, May 12, 2022
Couples Insights from Ian w/Kim and Penn Holderness
Taking an Enneagram assessment is a great first step in learning about yourself and how you relate to others and the world. So, how do you use that information to explore who you are in relationship to your life partner? On Typology, we talk a lot about the role the Enneagram plays in how we relate to others. Over the next four weeks, we’re going to focus on partnerships by reflecting on past interviews with couples on the show. These won’t be straight replays. Instead, I’m going to stop at certain points and provide some commentary on how you can improve the quality of your important relationships through the Enneagram. For Annie and me, the Enneagram was probably the single most important revelation in our relationship. It has illuminated so much for us over the years. But we would have saved a ton of time and heartache if we had a tool that explained how our specific types work against and complement each other. That’s why I’m thrilled to share the new Enneagram Couples Assessment from Integrative Enneagram Solutions. It does just that. This new report provides a window into how you and your partner’s specific Enneagram types interact, highlights the strengths each of you brings to the relationship, and identifies potential pitfalls to look out for. Now, let’s kick things off with a fresh look at my interview with Kim and Penn Holderness. Tune in for some valuable insights into what makes their marriage work. P.S. Get your Couple’s Report now. Use discount code COUPLES to receive 10% off your assessment.
S5 E41 · Thu, May 05, 2022
Saying Yes to the Truth About Yourself (Enneagram 4) [S05-041]
Life doesn't always go as we plan. As we grow up, we develop certain expectations about who we are and what we'll become. But sometimes those dreams don't come true. So, what do you do when the dreams die? Artist, Artist, and Enneagram 4, Scott Erickson joins me for a discussion about life beyond the death of those dreams. We explore the importance of grieving past expectations and he illustrates the freedom that comes from saying yes to new opportunities and finding your true self in the gifts of life.
S5 E40 · Thu, April 28, 2022
Finding Self-Worth as an Enneagram 3 with Pat Flynn
Enneagram Threes tether their identity and self-worth to how others see them and strive for validation through their accomplishments. So, how does the Achiever see their own value without the esteem and approval of others? Today, we go under the hood of Enneagram 3, Pat Flynn. He shares how the insights he’s gleaned from the Enneagram have deepened his relationship with his wife and opens up about his struggle to find self-worth apart from the love and praise of others, Tune in to this transparent conversation on Apple, Spotify, or your favorite podcast player.
S5 E39 · Thu, April 21, 2022
Quiet the Mind, Awaken the Soul, feat. Rick Hamlin (Enneagram 2)
As most of you know, I have long been an evangelist for a daily meditative practice if for no other reason than to help people on their journey of self-discovery. There’s power in the silence. It trains us to be present, to hear our own voice, and to acknowledge who we truly are. In today’s episode, Rick Hamlin joins me for a rich conversation about how meditation leads to greater compassion, forgiveness, and acceptance. We explore how silence helps us develop the muscle of attention that gives us the capacity to stand back and observe ourselves so we can recognize our repeating thought patterns. We cover the benefits of meditation and then offer a few recommendations on how to begin your meditation journey.
S5 E38 · Thu, April 14, 2022
Redefining Masculinity with Enneagram 5, Brant Hansen [S05-E38]
What does it mean to be “masculine.” Unfortunately, there are a lot of conflicting ideas and messages about what a “real man” is (and is not). In today’s episode, author, nationally syndicated radio show host, and Enneagram Five, Brant Hansen challenges us to redefine masculinity and paints a refreshing picture of what it looks like at its absolute best. We have an insightful conversation about the: importance of expressing feelings and affection value of protecting others from a place of kindness and love, rather than control and anger core task men need to take responsibility for, and Six decisions that set men apart from others Brant’s vulnerability and openness will genuinely move you. Brant Hansen is an author, radio host, and advocate for healing children with correctible disabilities through CURE International. He's won multiple awards for "Personality of the Year" for his radio show, which airs on more than 200 stations nationwide. His podcast with his friend and radio producer, The Brant and Sherri Oddcast, has been downloaded more than 10 million times. The author of The Truth About Us, Unoffendable, and Blessed Are the Misfits. Hansen has written for CNN.com, the Washington Post, U.S. News and World Report, the South Florida Sun-Sentinel, Relevant, and numerous other outlets on matters as varied as public policy, culture, sports, Asperger's syndrome, and faith. He and his wife, Carolyn, live in South Florida.
S5 E37 · Thu, April 07, 2022
7 Courageous Questions from Ian Cron [S05-037]
When was the last time someone asked you a question that set you back on your heels? I've always been more interested in questions than answers. So, I keep a notebook of powerful questions that upend me, subvert my assumptions, and stop me in my tracks. Most of us already have the answer to life's questions; it's just that we're waiting for someone to come along with the key to open the door to answers we already have in our hearts, souls, and minds. The key to that is great questions. Probably more than any other single piece of input in my life, what has driven change in me has been great questions. And today, I'm giving you a peek into my notebook of outstanding questions that force you to go inside and wrestle with ideas and feelings that can change the direction of your life. I'll also be posting a question on social media every day for the next week, and I'd love for you to engage with me. Perhaps you'll resonate with a few of mine or share your gems I can add to my notebook. I'm always jotting down new ones as I come across them. For example, I added a new one from a Typology Institute member this past Tuesday. So, listen to or watch this episode, then share your thoughts with me on Instagram or Facebook.
S5 E36 · Thu, March 31, 2022
Processing Trauma through the Mind-Body Connection, feat. Aundi Kolber (Enneagram 4)
Trauma impacts not just our mental state, but also our emotional and physical health. So, in a world that teaches us to just “try harder” and keep pretending “we’re fine,” how do we make space to process our stories and truly work through trauma? Today, therapist Aundi Kolber explains what trauma is, identifies how it operates in the body, and walks us through the importance of aligning our minds and bodies to build resilience and self-compassion. She also offers up a few tips for practicing self-compassion in deep and truly meaningful ways that will begin the process of healing. Aundi Kolber is a Licensed Professional Counselor (MA LPC), writer, and speaker in Castle Rock, Colorado. She specializes in trauma- and body-centered therapies and is passionate about the integration of faith and psychology. As a survivor of trauma, Aundi brings hard-won knowledge around the work of change, the power of redemption, and the beauty of experiencing God with us in our pain. Looking for more conversations on trauma? Listen to our past interviews with Chris Cook , Dan Allender , or Amy Downs . You can also watch them on YouTube: Chris Cook , Dan Allender or Amy Downs .
S5 E35 · Thu, March 24, 2022
Thriving in a marriage-business relationship between Type 8 and Type 9, feat. Christine and Steve Bailey
What happens when an unstoppable force meets an unmovable object? Well, it can either be a recipe for a really great relationship…or a not-so-great one. But when a Peacemaker and a Challenger are both healthy, they bring out the best in each other. Today’s guests, Christine and Steve Bailey show us how learning to balance their differences as an Enneagram 9 and an Enneagram 8 has helped their marriage and their business thrive. We explore the dynamics between their relationship and how learning to speak each other’s language and tapping into the other’s strengths fosters a perfect yin-yang relationship. Tune in on Apple, Spotify, or your favorite podcast player for this amazing conversation.
S5 E33 · Thu, March 17, 2022
Exploring Enneagram Ones with Ian's Editor, Jana Riess
We have a very special guest for you today…author, editor, and Enneagram One, Jana Riess joins me for an in-depth discussion about The Improvers. As the very talented editor of both The Road Back to You and The Story of You , Jana is well-versed in the Enneagram and brings a wealth of knowledge and valuable insights to our conversation about lasting personal transformation. A few topics we explore today are: the Improvers fixation on anger what messages Ones internalize, and how Ones can tap into the high side of Seven to find their joy ABOUT JANA RIESS Since 2008, Jana Riess has been an editor in the publishing industry, primarily working in the areas of religion, history, popular culture, ethics, and biblical studies. From 1999 to 2008, she was the Religion Book Review Editor for Publishers Weekly , and continues to write freelance reviews for PW as well as other publications. She holds degrees in religion from Wellesley College and Princeton Theological Seminary, and a Ph.D. in American religious history from Columbia University. She speaks often to media about issues pertaining to religion in America, and has been interviewed by the Associated Press, Time, Newsweek , People , the Boston Globe , USA Today , the Los Angeles Times , and Newsday , among other print publications, as well as “Voice of America,” the “Today” show, MSNBC, and NPR’s “All Things Considered,” “Tell Me More,” and “Talk of the Nation.” She is the author or co-author of many books, including The Prayer Wheel; Flunking Sainthood ; What Would Buffy Do? ; Mormonism for Dummies ; and The Writer’s Market Guide to Getting Published . Her book The Twible: All the Chapters of the Bible in 140 Characters or Less . . . . Now with 68% More Humor! won first place in the non-fiction category in the Writer’s Digest Annual Self-Published Book Awards. Her book The Next Mormons: The Rising Generation of Latter-day Saints will be released in March 20
S5 E33 · Thu, March 10, 2022
Finding Deeper Meaning with Enneagram 7, Bob Goff
This week, attorney, author and Enneagram 7, Bob Goff shares how committing to therapy gave him a common language to better understand and communicate with others. We explore the importance of finding safe people to be authentic with and build deeper, more meaningful relationships. He offers incredible perceptions for Sevens and valuable insights that we can all apply to our lives. Bob Goff is the author of Undistracted (March 1, 2022) as well as the New York Times bestselling books Love Does , Everybody Always , and Dream Big . He is the Honorary Consul to the Republic of Uganda, an attorney, and the founder of Love Does—a nonprofit human rights organization operating in Uganda, India, Nepal, Iraq, and Somalia. He's a lover of balloons, cake pops, and helping people pursue their big dreams. You can typically find Bob writing and taking calls from his boat, welcoming people to his Southern California retreat center--The Oaks, or at an event speaking. Bob 's greatest ambitions in life are to love others, do stuff, and, most importantly, to hold hands with his wife, Sweet Maria Goff , and spend time with their amazing kids. For more, check out BobGoff .com and LoveDoes.org.
S5 E32 · Thu, March 03, 2022
From Felon to Fitness to Freedom, feat. Doug Bopst (Enneagram 3)
Every personality style has a story that includes a catalog of false beliefs about themselves and the world. But what happens when you take those false beliefs and pain from your younger years and turn them into purpose? Our guest today, award-winning personal trainer and host of the Adversity Advantage podcast, Doug Bopst, explains how he went from hopeless and emotionally bankrupt to helping others overcome adversity to achieve greatness. His inspiring story of transformation is a prime example of what happens when we learn to re-interpret our past and choose to lean into a new narrative.
S5 E31 · Thu, February 24, 2022
Working Together to Rewrite Your Story [S05-031]
If we're trying to change a million things about ourselves at once, we're only going to find ourselves feeling overwhelmed and discouraged. So, what do we do? Today on Typology, I’m going to walk you through the daily practice I use to help me change the false beliefs and old messages that support and perpetuate my old, broken story. I call it my "New Story Jar." My New Story Jar contains slips of paper with a new message on each that I'm trying to integrate into my life. I pull one (and only one!) of these slips out each day and work on incorporating the new message or belief written on it into my life. That's it—one new belief or practice that I work on each day that helps support my journey toward living a new and better story. And it can work for you too! What you write on the slips is entirely up to you. For example, right now I'm working through my struggle with fear, so one of my slips states, "Do not be afraid." Another asks the question, "What would I do if I wasn't afraid right now?" You get the idea, but here are a few more examples to get your New Story Jar started: Today, I will make mistakes, and that's okay. Just say no. The present moment contains everything I need to be happy. Disappointing others is a misdemeanor, not a felony. Difficult feelings won't kill me. At first, your New Story Jar doesn't need a million slips in it, but you'll be surprised how quickly your jar fills up. One new message or belief that we reflect on, and practice daily gradually will change us! As Ralph Waldo Emerson said, "Sow a thought, and you reap an action; sow an act, and you reap a habit; sow a habit, and you reap a character; sow a character, and you reap a destiny." Want to make your own? Click here to download a few statements you can use to start your own jar today! Cheers, Ian
S5 E30 · Thu, February 17, 2022
Using the Enneagram to Help Find Your Perfect Match, feat. Melissa Hobley, OkCupid [S05-030]
How do you find your “perfect match” during a pandemic? Over the past two years, dating etiquette has changed and transparent and to-the-point conversations out of the gate are now welcome. More singles are making time for self-reflection, therapy, and finally figuring out what they want in a relationship. So, what role does the Enneagram play in helping people develop deeper, more meaningful connections? Today’s guest, Global Chief Marketing Officer of OkCupid, Melissa Hobley, joins me to explore different Enneagram types in relationships and how she sees the Enneagram being used in dating. Melissa shares a few basic tips for dating and gives two important insider tips, before asking Ian a few questions of her own. Melissa Hobley is the Global Chief Marketing Officer of OkCupid , one of the largest dating apps in the world. Under her direction, OkCupid has become famous for its message of inclusion and affirmation, winning numerous awards for its breakthrough social campaign. In this role, she is responsible for global brand advertising, marketing, social media, and partnerships. Melissa was the first CMO at OkCupid and brought the brand from decline to being one of the foremost leaders in a competitive space. She regularly appears as an expert on tech and relationships in media like The New York Times and NPR. Currently, she is a regular guest on NBC’s “Today Show” discussing relationships in a digital era. She’s on the list of “Forbes Most Influential CMOs in the World,” is on AdAge’s “Women to Watch” list, and was recently featured on AMA’s “40 Under 40.” (AMA= Americian Marketing Association).
S5 E29 · Fri, February 11, 2022
Truth-telling, Reparations, and Forgiveness w/Lisa Sharon Harper (Type 3) [S05-029]
How do you repair that which is broken? You must first be willing to see the truth. We all have broken stories that directly impact the choices we make today. But, when we take the time to reflect on and see the whole truth of who we are, only then can we choose to do things differently. Only then can we craft a new narrative…one that is fueled by forgiveness, kindness, and love. Activist, author, and founder of Freedom Project, Lisa Sharon Harper shines light on the connection between the choices we make and the stories we tell ourselves, reminding us that truth-telling, repentance, and forgiveness are just a few basic things that can begin the process of healing a nation. Leading activist, author and founder of the consulting group Freedom Road, Lisa Sharon Harper has spent three decades researching ten generations of her family history through DNA research, oral histories, interviews and genealogy. In her new book, Fortune: How Race Broke My Family and the World—and How to Repair It All (Brazos Press, February 8, 2022), Harper draws on her lifelong journey to know her family’s history to recover the beauty of her heritage, expose the brokenness that race has wrought in America, and cast a vision for collective repair. Her work has been featured in the New Yorker, Relevant, Essence, HuffPost, The National Civic Review, and CNN, and she has appeared on PBS's Religion & Ethics NewsWeekly, TV One, Fox News, NPR, and Al Jazeera America.
S5 E28 · Thu, February 03, 2022
Enneagram Expert and Author AJ Sherrill [S05-028]
How does the Enneagram help you grow spiritually? We’ve indirectly touched on this on Typology but I’ve always wanted to specifically explore the Enneagram as a useful tool for profound spiritual formation. Today, pastor, Enneagram teacher, and author AJ Sherrill joins me to talk about the Enneagram and Spiritualty. With two Master’s in Theology and a Doctorate in the area of Spiritual Formation, AJ shares spiritual practices each type can adopt to gain clarity and access to a more virtuous life. AJ teaches courses on preaching and also the Enneagram at Fuller Theological Seminary, offers workshops on spiritual formation around the world.
S5 E27 · Thu, January 27, 2022
Forming My Own Opinion as an Enneagram 9, feat. Andy Gullahorn
Each Enneagram Type occupies a story about who they are and how they think the world works. The Enneagram Nine’s story is built around the mistaken belief that they’re not really as important as other people, or sometimes it’s just that other people just seem to have more energy and investment in their own opinions, preferences, desires, and viewpoints than Nines do. Coupled with their desire to preserve connections with other people and preserve inner and outer peace, Nines adopt a strategy of avoiding conflict and merging with others. The risk of this story is that they can become self-less…without a self. The healing journey for the Peacemaker is to decouple themselves from that story to rewrite a new one. So, today, one of my favorite singer-songwriters on the planet and long-time student of the Enneagram, Andy Gullahorn joins me in the studio for a conversation about how the Enneagram has helped guide his healing and growth. In this episode we talk about: Character defects or defenses Doing Enneagram work in community Finding a different relationship with anger, and Learning to feel things and form opinions in real-time He also shares a special Enneagram song during the interview. You’re going to love it! Cheers, Ian
S5 E26 · Mon, January 24, 2022
Special Episode: Ian reads, "The Story of You," - Chapter One
As you can imagine, when you’re in the middle of a book launch, you talk to your publisher quite frequently. One of the things that kept coming up in our conversations was a desire to serve our Typology listeners with some great content from my new book. After batting some ideas back and forth, we finally decided on what I think is a great ‘thank you’ to our loyal listeners…. and that is to do a bonus episode of Typology where we actually include an entire chapter of the audiobook version of The Story of You . In this episode, you'll hear the entire first chapter of The Story of You , recorded by yours truly from a beautiful studio here in Nashville. Recording an audiobook is really one of the coolest parts of writing a book, so I’m very excited to be able to share a sneak peek of that with you all! We'll have another great episode coming your way on Thursday with my friend Andy Gullahorn. Stay tuned for that episode and if you like what you hear of the audiobook, please consider heading over to Audible and picking up an audiobook copy of The Story of You.
S5 E25 · Thu, January 20, 2022
Embracing the Practically Divine in Ordinary Experiences, feat. Becca Stevens
In today’s episode, Becca Stevens joins me for a conversation about embracing the divine in our everyday ordinary and extraordinary experiences. She recounts her observations of sacredness when she opens her heart and truly listens to the stories of others and shares how redefining and rewriting our own stories leads to lasting transformational healing. Becca Stevens is a speaker, social entrepreneur, author, priest, founder of 10 justice initiatives, and President of Thistle Farms. She has been featured on PBS NewsHour, The Today Show, CNN, ABC World News, named a CNN Hero, and White House Champion of Change. Drawn from 25 years of leadership in mission-driven work, Becca leads important conversations across the country with an inspiring message that love is the strongest force for change in the world.
S5 E24 · Fri, January 14, 2022
The Rhythms of Marriage and the Enneagram, feat. Chris and Jenni Graebe
Do you long to enjoy your spouse over a lifetime but you don’t know how to get there? How do you identify where you want to be in your relationship and what practices can you implement to help you get there? In today’s episode, Chris and Jenni join me for a conversation about the habits and rhythms that shape a strong relationship with your spouse. We explore how understanding the Enneagram can set your marriage up for success and help you awaken to the things we each can do differently to improve our relationships. Chris and Jenni also explain: The 5 core rhythms to help a marriage thrive Important ways to support each other through different seasons of growth, and How different orientations to time can impact your relationships
S5 E23 · Thu, January 06, 2022
Empowering Your Imagination with the Dynamic Type 7 Duo, Nathan and Joy Clarkson
This is a first! In five seasons of Typology, we finally have our first pair of siblings….who share the same type! What better way to explore the inner workings of The Enthusiast than from two siblings who share the same Enneagram number? Raised in a home where creativity and deep thinking were celebrated, Nathan and Joy Clarkson join me for a conversation about all things Seven. In this episode, we share: Tips for raising an Enthusiast from two Sevens The communication style of Sevens The role orientation to time plays in all our relationships We also discuss their new, aptly named book, The Clubhouse: Open the Door to Limitless Adventure , where they draw on their own childhood experiences and show that imagination is the best way to play and learn. Tune in on Apple, Spotify, or your favorite podcast player then share your feedback on Instagram. We’d love to hear your insights.
S5 E22 · Thu, December 30, 2021
REPLAY: Dr. Curt Thompson on the Enneagram and Shame
The Enneagram provides nine consistent, fairly predictable ways for us to understand and tell our narrative of how we operate in the world and make sense of our lives. It’s a tool that helps us enter into a conversation about the recurring themes and patterns of behaviors that are self-defeating or hurtful to others. One theme that operates as a thread in each of our lives is shame. Next to love, I believe shame is the most powerful force in the universe, but in the wrong direction. In today’s profoundly moving, heart-changing replay, author and psychiatrist Dr. Curt Thompson joins me for a deep conversation about shame and how it plays out as a human experience for all nine types. In this episode you’ll learn: What shame does as opposed to what it is How shame manifests in each Enneagram type How we can begin to heal shame through community
S5 E21 · Thu, December 23, 2021
REPLAY: Chuck Degroat on the Nine Faces of Narcissism {S05-021]
We’re taking a break to be with family over the holiday so we wanted to replay two topic-based episodes that have gone over extremely well with our listeners. This week, take another listen to my killer conversation with psychologist, author, and spiritual director Chuck Degroat, about the nine faces of narcissism. We’re not talking about people with full-blown narcissistic personality disorder per se. We’re talking about narcissism on a continuum and what it looks like when each Enneagram type is manifesting a narcissistic style or type. Each of us is somewhere on that narcissistic spectrum. In this episode you’ll learn: What narcissism actually is How narcissism shows up in all nine types, and What the healing path is for all nines types to keep narcissism in check. Chuck is the Professor of Counseling and Christian Spirituality at Western Theological Seminary Holland MI, and Co-Founder and a Senior Fellow at Newbigin House of Studies, San Francisco. His latest book is, When Narcissism Comes to Church: Healing Your Community From Emotional and Spiritual Abuse. He is a licensed therapist, author, retreat leader, and spiritual director. Chuck has been married to Sara for 25 years and has two daughters.
S5 E20 · Thu, December 16, 2021
Scott Harrison Writes His Next Chapter
After spending 10 years as a successful nightclub promoter in New York, Scott Harrison made a huge pivot to volunteer as a photojournalist on a hospital ship off the coast of Liberia, West Africa. That experience changed his life. Founder of Charity: Water, Scott Harrison returns to Typology to reflect on stories from his childhood and how they’ve shaped who he is today. We explore his journey of transformation, what he’s learned since leaving New York, and get a peek into what’s next for him. Scott has been recognized in Fortune Magazine’s list of 40 Under 40, the Forbes’ Impact 30 list, and Fast Company’s 100 Most Creative People in Business where he earned the #10 spot. He is currently a World Economic Forum Young Global Leader and author of the New York Times Bestselling book, Thirst . Scott recently moved to Franklin, TN with his wife Viktoria, son Jackson and daughter Emma.
S5 E19 · Thu, December 09, 2021
Why I Wrote My New Book (The Story of You)
In this special episode, Anthony and I drop by the studio to talk about my new book, The Story of You , and what motivated me to write it. We all craft a story about who we are and how the world works as little people. Then, as we grow older, we think of our lives as a movie we’re in that’s unfolding in real-time. But the narrative we crafted as children no longer works for us as adults. But how do we change that story? The Enneagram teaches that there are nine archetypal stories that people tend to inhabit. However, the true gift of the Enneagram is its ability to help us challenge those self-limiting stories and move into a new narrative. In this episode, I identify the self-limiting story of each type and explain the 4 stage process for transformation so you can become your authentic self.
S5 E18 · Thu, December 02, 2021
James Clear Discusses Personality Styles and Atomic Habits
We all have stories that we tell ourselves and others about who we are and how we think the world works. Our daily behaviors and habits follow suit. Part of changing our automatic behaviors is by interrogating and changing the stories that no longer serve us. Today’s guest, writer James Clear, joins me to talk about how he became the author of the #1 New York Times bestseller, Atomic Habits, and delves into the relationship between personality styles and habits. In this episode we: Explore what sparked his interest in the topic of habits Identify the 4 actionable steps to breaking bad habits and building new ones Take a practical look into the four laws of behavior change James is a regular speaker at Fortune 500 companies and his work has been featured in places like Time magazine, the New York Times, the Wall Street Journal and on CBS This Morning. His popular “3-2-1” email newsletter is sent out each week to more than 1 million subscribers.
S5 E17 · Thu, November 25, 2021
REPLAY: Is Your Story True? Exploring Narrative Through the Enneagram
Have you ever stopped to ask yourself, “What if the story I tell myself and others about who I am and who I'm becoming isn't true?” As children, we all construct stories, or narratives, to help make sense of our environment. These childhood interpretations set in motion the patterns of behavior that shape our personality…or how we show up for life. But, when you can understand the false story around which you have organized your life, then you can begin to play with that story a bit to find your true story. And, though you can’t change the facts of what has happened in your life, you can change the way you interpret them. The truth is, that if you want to experience enduring transformation, you have to discover your false story, decouple yourself from it and begin to live the truth of your new story. In today’s episode, we’ll walk through the false “stories” that each Enneagram type needs to let go of in order to allow your true self to emerge.
S5 E16 · Thu, November 18, 2021
Master Class: The Challenger Moving to Grace, feat. Kirsten Powers
CNN senior political analyst and USA Today columnist, Kirsten Powers, is back to talk about her new book, Saving Grace: Speak Your Truth, Stay Centered, and Learn to Coexist with People who Drive You Nuts . We explore her journey of moving from an unhealthy Eight—full of judgment, shaming, and blaming—to a healthy Eight with the capacity to extend grace towards those who hold opposing views without sacrificing her values and passionate beliefs. In this episode, Kirsten walks us through the tools we can all use to become less enraged and more gracious people in the world. She shares her insights into: What grace is and what it isn't Setting boundaries to show others how to be in a relationship with you Learning how to have healthy conflict Developing humility to cultivate more empathy for others Seeing the humanity of others even when opinions clash This conversation is not just for Eights; it's for all of us. It's a master class in better relating to those we disagree with while embodying the best expression ourselves.
S5 E15 · Thu, November 11, 2021
Aging Faithfully with Alice and Bob Fryling
Alice and Bob Fryling join me for a wonderful conversation about aging together faithfully. This show is for people of all ages as we talk about better understanding and relating to our older friends, family members, and coworkers. We also explore their knowledge of the Enneagram. Both Bob and Alice provide deep insights into how they navigate their differences throughout their 50 years of marriage, ways they support each other and work with the Enneagram to uncover their blindspots, and walking through challenging spaces as they grow older together.
S5 E14 · Thu, November 04, 2021
Exploring the Soul of the Enneagram Eight w/Kayla Craig
The Enneagram tells us that there are nine basic personality types, one of which we each gravitate towards in childhood. But if you dig a little deeper, each type actually has three instinctual variants called subtypes that help explain why people of the same type can look so different. For each type, there is the self-preservation subtype, social subtype, and the one-to-one subtype. Today’s guest, former journalist Kayla Craig, joins me in a conversation about how understanding her subtype as a social Eight has illuminated different aspects of her personality and influenced her interactions with her family and others. She provides wonderful insight into her relationship with emotions and what the soul of an Eight looks like. We also explore: the distinctive characteristics of the social Eight subtype vs. the self-preservation and one-to-one subtypes why social Eights can be mistyped as Enneagram Twos, and the transformational journey for Eights This episode is chock full of wisdom. You're going to love it!
S5 E13 · Thu, October 28, 2021
Author John Driver on Honest Conversations about Race and Faith
John Driver is an award-winning writer and collaborator of more than twenty-five books. In our conversation, we explore how understanding himself through the lens of the counterphobic Six has impacted his relationships with others, his work in ministry, and his writing. We also discuss his new book, Not So Black and White: An invitation to honest conversations about race and faith . He shares how being a counterphobic Six impacted the writing of his book, why it’s so important to open the doors to honest and engaging conversations about race and faith, and touches on whether the Enneagram can help inform the conversation around racism. A former teacher with a history degree from the University of Tennessee, John lives near Nashville with his wife, Laura, and their daughter, Sadie. He serves as the executive and teaching pastor at The Church at Pleasant Grove and hosts the weekly podcast Talk About That.
S5 E12 · Thu, October 21, 2021
Enneagram Mailbag: Ian Answers Your Questions
I receive so many questions from our listeners via email and social media that I don’t get to respond to them all. But I want you to know I’m paying attention! So, this week, Anthony pulls a few more audience questions for me to answer. This time I share a few tips for parenting an Enneagram 4, introduce the concept of Enneagram harmonic groups, and explore the similarities and distinctions between Types 1 and 3. Tune in to hear our discussion on these topics, plus a few more. And for a chance to have your questions answered on-air, leave us a comment on social or email us at typology@ianmorgancron.com.
S5 E11 · Thu, October 14, 2021
Healing from Past Sufferings, feat. Dr. Dan Allender
How has your past uniquely prepared you to experience more joy? Dr. Dan Allender and I explore this question today in an insightful conversation about healing the heart from trauma, rewriting the broken stories we adopt as children and the overlap with the Enneagram. Professor of counseling psychology at The Seattle School and founder of The Allender Center, Dr. Dan Allender has pioneered a unique therapy centered around his innovative theory and training in transforming betrayal, ambivalence, and powerlessness into faith, hope, and love. He’s a popular podcaster on The Allender Center Podcast and the author of Healing the Wondered Heart , The Wounded Heart , The Healing Path , To Be Told and God Loves Sex , and Redeeming Heartache: How Past Suffering Reveals Our True Calling . Learn more about Dr. Allender at https://theallendercenter.org or follow him @allendercenter on Facebook and Instagram.
S5 E10 · Thu, October 07, 2021
Amy Porterfield on the Gifts of Self-Awareness
We’ve got another great guest for you today. Amy Porterfield, host of the top-ranked podcast, Online Marketing Made Easy, joins me for an insightful conversation about using the Enneagram to illuminate certain aspects of her personality, the benefits of using the Enneagram in the workplace, and how understanding your blindspots fosters empathy and compassion for others. In this episode, we also cover: The subtypes of an Enneagram Two, The gifts of self-awareness, and How she performs under stress Amy is known for teaching business owners, educators, and entrepreneurs the profitable strategies and action steps for building a highly engaged email list, creating online training courses, and using online marketing strategies to sell with ease. Learn more about Amy by visiting https://www.amyporterfield.com or following her on Instagram .
S5 E9 · Thu, September 30, 2021
Soundtracks, feat. Jon Acuff and His Solution to Overthinking
New York Times bestselling author Jon Acuff joins me for an in-depth conversation about the power of our thoughts, the harmful effects of overthinking, and the importance of changing our negative, repetitive thoughts into positive soundtracks. In this episode, Jon: Shares valuable insights into the mind of an Enneagram 7 Identifies the top 3 negative thoughts he’s still working on Lists the top 10 hits for popular broken soundtracks, and Outlines 3 questions to ask yourself to change your thinking ABOUT JON ACUFF Jon Acuff is the New York Times bestselling author of seven books, including his most recent Wall Street Journal #1 bestseller, Finish: Give Yourself the Gift of Done. He's an INC Magazine Top 100 Leadership speaker and has spoken to hundreds of thousands of people at conferences and companies around the world including FedEx, Nissan, Microsoft, Lockheed Martin, Chick-fil-A, Nokia and Comedy Central. His large and highly engaged social media following includes nearly 300,000 Twitter followers, more than 187,000 Facebook followers, more than 125,000 Instagram followers, and more than 90,000 email subscribers who look to him for his unique blend of humor, honesty, and hope. He lives outside of Nashville, Tennessee, with his wife and two teenage daughters. His latest book, Soundtracks , was released in April 2021 and is already a bestseller.
S5 E8 · Thu, September 23, 2021
What Were You Made For? feat. Max and Denalyn Lucado
This week pastor, speaker, and bestselling author, Max Lucado and his wife Denalyn join me to talk about Max’s new book, You Were Made for This Moment: Courage for Today and Hope for Tomorrow . We discuss how each of us is created specifically for this moment in time and dig into the nuances of the Enneagram. In this episode, we explore: How the Enneagram has had helped them better understand each other and their children The differences between an Enneagram 3 and an Enneagram 9 What it means to live into what we are made for Max Lucado is a pastor, speaker, and bestselling author who, in his own words, “writes books for people who don’t read books.” His newest book, You Were Made for This Moment: Courage for Today and Hope for Tomorrow is a relevant and timely release for a society still reeling from racial divides, political strife, and a global pandemic. He encourages others to live fully in the grace and love of God, to step out in bold courage and faith, and to trust God for victory over all injustices. As a writer, Max is known for combining poetic storytelling and homespun humor with the heart of a pastor.
S5 E6 · Thu, September 16, 2021
Escaping Burnout and Living At Your Best, feat. Carey Nieuwhof
Overworked? Overwhelmed? Overcommitted? How do you balance your time, energy, and priorities to build the life you want? Today’s guest, Carey Nieuwhof returns to Typology to share the strategy that works for him (and countless others) to set a new, sustainable pace for thriving tomorrow. Carey explains what the Stress Cycle and Thrive Cycle look like, and how to use the Energy Clock as a roadmap for escaping burnout. Not only do we discuss Carey’s new book, At Your Best , but we kick off our conversation with a brief typing interview to help distinguish between the overlap of types 3 and 8. Watch now on YouTube or listen on Apple, Spotify, or your favorite podcast player. P.S. Love Typology? Leave us a review on Apple to help others find our show!
S5 E6 · Thu, September 09, 2021
Overcoming Crippling Codependency, feat. Taylor Tippett
Let’s face it...people are complicated. Our personalities are shaped by multiple factors, including temperament, character, environment, and life experiences. But when we dig in and really learn to understand ourselves better, we not only connect with others with more kindness and empathy, but we begin to see the beauty that arises when we live as our true selves. Today’s guest, Taylor Tippett is a great example of how this plays out. Taylor is a flight attendant nationally known for leaving random notes of kindness on airplanes to make people’s day. She joins me in an open conversation about how the Enneagram has helped her love herself better and the impact it has had on her personal journey of growth. In this conversation, you’ll discover: how codependency can show up for an Enneagram 7 ways anxiety and control can influence our personalities, and the importance of showing up just as we are We also make a special announcement today you won’t want to miss! Watch now on YouTube or listen on your favorite podcast player. P.S. Love Typology? Leave us a review on Apple to help others find our show!
S5 E5 · Thu, September 02, 2021
Can Joy and Sorrow Coexist? feat. Author K.J. Ramsey
Joy and sorrow can coexist. But how do you live within the intersection of the two? KJ Ramsey, Enneagram 4w5 and Author of This Too Shall Last: Finding Grace When Suffering Lingers, joins me for a vulnerable conversation about suffering and faith, the tension between joy and sorrow, and finding redemption when we learn to truly live in the middle. K.J. Ramsey is a licensed therapist, writer, and recovering idealist who believes sorrow and joy coexist. Her writing has been published in The Huffington Post , Health Central , Catalyst , and Fathom Magazine on the integration of theology, psychology, and spiritual formation. She and her husband live in Denver, Colorado. Follow K.J.'s writing at kjramsey.com and across social media at @kjramseywrites.
S5 E4 · Thu, August 26, 2021
Author Rebekah Lyons on Surrender and Acceptance
To surrender is to accept what is...and until you surrender, you can’t find healing. In today’s episode, author Rebekah Lyons joins me to talk about the power of acceptance, using your time and energy to live a life of intention, and cultivating a space that allows you to embrace what is. Throughout our conversation we cover: What it truly means to surrender Daily practices to open yourself to acceptance Tools for managing anxiety and fostering joy Rebekah Lyons is the author of A Surrendered Yes , Rhythms of Renewal and Freefall to Fly . She is a mother of four, wife of one, and dog walker of two living in Nashville. An old soul with a contemporary, honest voice, Rebekah reveals her own battles to overcome anxiety, depression, and consumer impulses. Finding joy in raising two special needs children—she invites everyone to embrace the unique calling God has for each of us. Rebekah wears her heart on her sleeve, a benefit to friends and readers alike. Alongside her husband, Gabe, Rebekah serves as co-founder of Q Ideas, an organization that equips Christians on how to winsomely engage culture. Her favorite hours are spent with her nose in a book and a discriminating cup of coffee in hand.
S5 E3 · Thu, August 19, 2021
Living Lighter w/Allie Casazza
How do you stop meeting the expectations and pressures of others and start living your life the way you want? In this empowering conversation, author Allie Casazza shares the importance of challenging the beliefs you grew up with and aligning your environment with your new story. In today’s episode we talk about: Why she stopped cleaning up after her life and instead began living it. The toxic nature of self-suppression and self-betrayal. How the Enneagram helped her reclaim her true self. Allie Casazza is an author and businesswoman who empowers other women to take control of their own lives and start living lighter. She’s been featured on Good Morning America , The Today Show , Scary Mommy , and The New York Times . She hosts the popular podcast The Purpose Show and her new book Declutter Like a Mother: A Guilt-Free, No Stress Way to Transform Your Home and Life drops on September 7.
S5 E2 · Thu, August 12, 2021
Finding Identity and Belonging, feat. Author Bonnie Gray
Loneliness. Brokenness. The desire to belong. These are feelings we all share. But how do these emotions inhibit you from living as your most authentic self? So often we forget that true belonging can only arise when we “accept that brokenness is beautiful” and embrace our own story. That’s where the true treasure lies. This week, Bonnie Gray and I talk about finding identity in a culture of loneliness, making peace with her difficult past, and the transformation she’s experienced by embracing the narrative she ran away from for so long. We explore her journey of self-discovery and end up challenging Bonnie to be curious about whether or not she’s truly an Enneagram 7.
S5 E1 · Thu, August 05, 2021
The Minimalists on Minimizing to Maximize What Truly Matters
In the studio today, we welcome Joshua Fields Millburn and Ryan Nicodemus of The Minimalists. They've been featured in New York Times, Wall Street Journal, Time Magazine, and of course, they have their own podcast. Their popular documentaries Minimalism and Less is Now are featured on Netflix and now they’ve got a brand new book that you have got to read. We have a great conversation about clearing the clutter to make room for what’s actually important and how understanding your Enneagram type ties into their philosophy on minimalism. You’re going to love this show.
S4 E58 · Thu, July 29, 2021
Kara Powell Shares the 3 Pivotal Questions We All Should Answer (Enneagram 3)
Wouldn’t it be great if you had an arsenal of conversation starters for the young adults in your life? Today’s guest, Dr. Kara E. Powell joins me for an important conversation on how to best communicate with teenagers and young adults. We explore the 3 pivotal questions to ask young adults and share strategies for developing better, more life-giving answers to those questions. In their new book, Dr. Kara Powell and Brad Griffin offer 300 conversation starters and connection ideas that are crucial not only for young people to be able to answer but also for our own development and personal growth as adults. Listen as we weave the role of the Enneagram throughout the conversation then share this episode with your friends and family. And as a special offer, visit https://3bigquestionsbook.com/typology to get 40 additional conversation starters PLUS a free chapter of 3 Big Questions to help better connect with teenagers and young adults.
S4 E57 · Thu, July 22, 2021
Darren Tyler Connects with his Feelings (Enneagram 5) [S04-057]
We’ve got another great guest today. Darren Tyler is the Founder of Conduit Church of Franklin, TN. Conduit Church has been the vehicle of generosity to people in Asia, Africa and The Americas...drilling wells, building schools and clinics, and freeing slaves. He’s an Enneagram savvy Five who not only uses the Enneagram in his organization building his team, but has integrated his knowledge into his personal life to strengthen his relationships with his friends and family. We share a rich conversation about how the Enneagram has helped shape his team as well as how it has opened his eyes to the importance of connecting to his feelings in order to better love and care for his wife and children. We also uncover the hidden fears of the Five and explore the importance of balancing the three centers of intelligence. There are a lot of great insights in this episode. So whether you are a five, you love a five, or you work with a five, take a listen and let us know your favorite takeaways.
S4 E56 · Thu, July 15, 2021
Transforming Leaders w/Police Chief Mike Alexander (Enneagram 6)
With over 40 years in law enforcement, Mike Alexander, MA, C.I.S.M. is a principal partner at LION Strategy Group which focuses on leadership development, healthy work environments, officer wellness, ethics, and emotional intelligence. He also sits on the Board of the Enneagram Narrative Tradition and brings his knowledge to organizations and law enforcement agencies across the U.S. This conversation with Mike is chock-full of wisdom and incredible insight about somatic work, the vacillation between phobic and counterphobic, and what it means to truly discover our whole self and capitalize on the great gifts we each bring to the table. Not only do we discuss the importance of workforce behavioral interventions and the role self-awareness plays in building healthy relationships with employees or coworkers, but he also describes how the Enneagram saved his life and marriage.
S4 E55 · Thu, July 08, 2021
Special Mailbag Episode: Ian answers your Enneagram questions
We received such a great response from all of you after our last mailbag episode, that we’re doing it again! Today, Anthony pulls a few more audience questions from the bag for me to answer. If you love what you’re hearing from the mail bag, you can experience Q&A with me LIVE on our next Town Hall for Typology Institute members. Members get to ask their questions live and the answers end up facilitating great follow up conversations that we just can’t do on this show. It's truly a great time! If you’d like to join the next Town Hall, just visit typologyinstitute.com/membership to sign up.
S4 E54 · Thu, July 01, 2021
What's Her Enneagram Type? featuring Actress Brooklyn Sudano
Whether you’ve known your type for years or just can’t seem to nail it down, typing is not always easy. The Enneagram can be complicated and really uncovers the complexities of the human personality. Today’s guest, actress, producer, and director Brooklyn Sudano joins me for a fun and revealing conversation about her struggle to identify her type. So, we spend the whole show trying to tease out her type. You’ll hear the kind of conversation that can happen when someone is struggling to figure out their type and how phrasing specific questions can help in the typing process. Brooklyn Sudano is an American Actress, vocalist, producer and director, from Los Angeles, California. She can currently be seen in season 1 of the series Cruel Summer , Freeform’s dramatic series chronicling the chilling story of a girl who vanishes and another who mysteriously takes over her life. Brooklyn starred opposite Clive Standen and Jennifer Beals in NBC’s Taken , a series adaptation of the film franchise. She has also appeared in HBO’s Ballers opposite Dwayne Johnson and Andy Garcia; Hulu’s miniseries 11.22.63 opposite James Franco and Chris Cooper; and the Lifetime Original Movie, With This Ring opposite Regina Hall, Jill Scott, and Eve. Brooklyn made her television debut as Vanessa on the ABC sitcom, My Wife and Kids and has subsequently made numerous guest starring appearances on shows like CSI: NY, Without A Trace, Body of Proof, S#*! My Dad Says and 90210 . Her film credits include 5 Star Day, Crew 2 Crew, Sinners & Saints, Alone in the Dark 2, Rain and Somebody Help Me . Possessing star qualities that are apparent both on and off-screen, Brooklyn is the daughter of the legendary Donna Summer and singer-song-writer, Bruce Sudano, and sister of Amanda Sudano Ramirez of the music duo Johnnyswim .
S4 E53 · Thu, June 24, 2021
Centering on What Matters Most, feat. Brett Hagler (Enneagram 3)
What does it look like when a young entrepreneur discovers his Enneagram type and commits to doing his work and encourages his team to do the same? Today’s guest, co-founder of New Story Charity, Brett Hagler gives a clear picture of how powerful the Enneagram is as a tool for self-growth. In this episode you learn: How self-awareness positively impacts leadership What the difference is between a spiritual director and a therapist The gradation of wings and why you should bring them into balance And, you’ll hear how establishing his own rules of life helps keep Brett focused on what matters most while still making a huge impact in the world. You can find more on Brett and New Story here .
S4 E52 · Thu, June 17, 2021
Discovering the Authentic Self feat. Bill Haslam (Enneagram 3)
This week, Former Governor of Tennessee, Bill Haslam returns to the show. This time we talk about his new book, The Promise and the Peril of Faith in the Public Square , turning his attention inward to matters of the soul since his term ended, and what he’s learning about himself as an Enneagram 3. Bill Haslam is the former two-term mayor of Knoxville, Tennessee, and former two-term governor of Tennessee, reelected in 2014 with the largest victory margin of any gubernatorial election in Tennessee history. During his tenure, Tennessee became the fastest improving state in the country in K-12 education and the first state to provide free community college or technical school for all of its citizens, in addition to adding 475,000 net new jobs. Haslam serves on the boards of Teach for America and Young Life. In the fall of 2019, Haslam became a visiting professor of political science at Vanderbilt University. He and his wife of thirty-eight years, Crissy, have three children and nine grandchildren.
S4 E51 · Thu, June 10, 2021
Breaking the Stigma of Mental Health with Ryan Casey Waller
“Mental health is health. We all have it. We can ignore it. We can mistreat it. We can take care of it. No matter what though, we can't deny that it exists.” This was Ryan Casey Waller’s response when I asked about his new book, “Depression, Anxiety, and Other Things We Don’t Want to Talk About.” This opened the door to a great, shame-free discussion about mental health and overcoming the stigma that often goes along with it. Ryan Casey Waller is a psychotherapist, pastor, lawyer, and, according to his book, a co-sufferer. In this episode we explore the: Experience that triggered his own journey towards healing Importance of mental health and seeking help when it is needed How he’s using the self-knowledge gained from the Enneagram to manage his own mental health. My hope is that this episode will highlight how complex each of us is, how our needs and desires differ, and why it’s important to avail ourselves of the multitude of resources available for healing.
S4 E50 · Thu, June 03, 2021
Special Mailbag Episode: Ian answers your Enneagram questions
Today, I'm answering a few carryover questions from our monthly Typology Institute Membership Town Hall. Each month I host a live Town Hall for members where we go beyond Q&A because members get to ask their questions live and the answers end up facilitating great follow up conversations that we just can’t do on this show. It's truly a great time! So, I pulled a few questions to share with you this week to give you a peek. If you’d like to join the next Town Hall, just visit typologyinstitute.com/membership to sign up. We’ll send you the link.
S4 E49 · Thu, May 27, 2021
Why Emily Ley No Longer Keeps Score (Enneagram 2)
This week’s amazing guest, Emily Ley, is the Founder of Simplified, a brand of planners and organizational tools for busy women. She's been featured in Forbes, Family Circle, Better Homes and Gardens, Glamour, and Good Housekeeping. She is also a national bestselling author of many books, including her latest, Growing Boldly: Dare to Build a Life You Love . As an Enneagram Two, she’s doing her work to make positive changes in her professional and personal life. We talk about her new journey in therapy, what it means to be a two and a leader in the corporate field, why she no longer keeps score at home, and even dig into the core struggle of the two...that need to be liked. So, whether you are a Two, work with a Two, or love a Two, this episode covers a lot of ground and will open your eyes to the way a Two views the world.
S4 E48 · Thu, May 20, 2021
Let's Talk Enneagram Nines, feat. Beatrice Chestnut
Enneagram Nines appear to be so uncomplicated, and yet they’re actually very complicated. Enneagram Nines share a tendency to be other-referencing or more tuned in to what’s going on in the outside than they are tuned into what’s going on inside. They have a tendency to want to create harmony in their environment, and avoid conflict. They have a unique sensitivity to tension and conflict that they want to prevent or avoid altogether. So, I asked Beatrice Chestnut to join me to go deep into the inner workings of the Peacemakers. In today’s episode we: Explore the nuances between each subtype Highlight the various ways Nines wrestle with or express their anger Delve into the transformational path for each subtype
S4 E47 · Thu, May 13, 2021
Amy Downs' Radical Transformation
How does a traumatic incident shape the narrative you tell about yourself? Our guest today, Amy Downs, shares her incredible transformation that occurred as a result of surviving the Oklahoma City bombing. In the years since the bombing, Amy became a mother, lost 200 pounds, competed in an Ironman Triathlon, obtained her MBA, and became CEO of the same credit union that was bombed. It’s one of the most dramatic stories we’ve ever had on this show. Don’t miss this rich conversation as we learn her story, hear how the Enneagram helps in her personal and professional relationships, and explore whether she’s an Enneagram 3 or 9.
S4 E46 · Thu, May 06, 2021
Recovering Your Authentic Self feat. Holly Hayes
Today, Holly Hayes, award-winning author, founder and CEO of Sanctuary Project, and Enneagram 3 joins me to explore the Enneagram as it relates to healing and recovery, how understanding your stress and security points can help identify your type, and the work required to reconnect with your authentic self. It’s a powerful reminder that we all need a safe place to take off our masks and get back in touch with who we are meant to be.
S4 E45 · Thu, April 29, 2021
Let's Talk Enneagram 1 w/Beatrice Chestnut
Enneagram Ones value principles and integrity and are driven by the need to be good. They are conscientious and ethical and self-controlled. But as with all types, when you dig into subtypes and instincts you’ll see three different versions of the Improvers personality that look and behave differently. Today, Beatrice Chestnut and I dive into: The importance of being familiar with your passion and how to recognize when it’s taken the wheel What each subtype looks like and why knowing yours is critical How the growth path differs for each subtype of type one Listen now on Apple, Spotify, or your favorite podcast player.
S4 E44 · Thu, April 22, 2021
A Framework for Wholeness w/Seth Abram (Enneagram 9)
I know many of you are looking forward to today’s show and I’m thrilled to share this rich conversation with Enneagram Nine, Seth Abram. Seth is a long-time friend, pastor, singer, songwriter, creator and founder of Integrated Enneagram, and co-host of the popular Enneagram podcast, Fathoms. Seth not only shares his wealth of knowledge about the work that is needed to become the fullest expression of our true selves but also provides insight into learning to recognize and embrace the role that anger plays in the transformational path for an Enneagram 9. In this episode we discuss the: Fear and passion of the Peacemaker Tension of the polarity of wings on type Recognizing and growing into right action Listen now on Apple , Spotify , or your favorite podcast player, then share your thoughts with us on Instagram , Facebook , or Twitter .
S4 E43 · Thu, April 15, 2021
David Nurse on Optimizing Your Potential with the Enneagram
Today’s guest, NBA Life Optimization Coach and former professional basketball player, David Nurse joins me to talk about the importance of self-awareness and the role it plays in leading others and optimizing your potential. David also shares how making small pivots to look at things from a slightly different perspective can open up your entire perspective and lead to life-giving changes. In this episode you’ll learn: Where types go in health and in stress The importance of a positive mindset How self-awareness impacts leadership and personal performance
S4 E42 · Thu, April 08, 2021
Let's Talk Enneagram 6 with Beatrice Chestnut
In general, Enneagram Sixes focus on scanning for threats and risks, being prepared in case the worst happens, and predicting and anticipating what might happen next so they can be ready to meet whatever challenge occurs. But, when you get into their subtypes...they can look and behave pretty differently. I dive into this in-depth today with Enneagram guru, Beatrice Chestnut. In this episode you’ll learn: What a passion is and why it’s so important to know yours What each subtype looks like and why knowing yours is critical How the growth path differs for each subtype Listen now on Apple, Spotify, or your favorite podcast player.
S4 E41 · Thu, April 01, 2021
The Enneagram in Business
What are the benefits of using the Enneagram in the corporate space? The Enneagram helps grow self-awareness and self-knowledge among team members and executives in order to create a richer, more productive, more profitable environment that is also filled with joy, compassion and empathy. When applied properly, it really gets under the waterline of consciousness and illuminates why you do what you do and can help you understand how you show up in the workplace. In this special episode, business experts Scott Allender, Karen J. Hardwick, and Chris Carneal join me for a free-wheeling conversation about the benefits of applying the Enneagram in the workplace.
S4 E40 · Thu, March 25, 2021
The Holderness Family Rules of Engagement and the Enneagram
Everybody fights, so why not get better at it? But how? One of the great things about the Enneagram is it’s a wonderful tool for improving communication between friends, family, spouses, and even coworkers. It fosters the self-awareness needed to be able to disagree better, love more, and maintain healthy relationships along the way. Best-known for their hit parodies on social media, husband-wife duo Kim and Penn Holderness share their tips for communicating, talk about the rules of engagement for arguments, and explore their strengths and weaknesses through the lens of the Enneagram.
S4 E39 · Thu, March 18, 2021
Jonathan Pitts' Journey Through Grief
Each of us digests or metabolizes grief in separate ways. It's important to understand how differently people grieve and allow others the space to grieve in the way that is appropriate to their architecture. Author, speaker, and executive pastor at Church of the City, Jonathan Pitts shares his journey through grieving the unexpected loss of his wife, learning to carve out space for joy, and finding beauty in the small things.
S4 E38 · Thu, March 11, 2021
Journey Into the Heart of the Enneagram Two with Beatrice Chestnut
Relationships are extremely important to Enneagram Twos. They are the most interpersonal number on the Enneagram. They are other referencing -- focusing their attention outside of themselves. But when you mix the passion of the Two (pride) with their subtypes, Enneagram Twos not only present in very different ways but their transformational path also varies. Psychotherapist, coach, business consultant and Enneagram guru Beatrice Chestnut walks us through the heart of the Befriender and provides insights into the growth path for each subtype. So, if you’re a Two, if you love a Two, or if you’re in conflict with a Two, listen through the end of this episode with an open heart and take note of what all Twos share in common and where they differ.
S4 E37 · Thu, March 04, 2021
MercyMe's Bart Millard Explores the Inner Workings of the Enneagram 6
The journey of self-understanding isn’t easy. Each of us are deep, mysterious, and complex beings who don’t fit into one specific box. Those complexities can sometimes make the process of uncovering your true self difficult. Today’s guest thought he was an Enneagram Seven for a long time but when he realized he was actually a dominant Six with a heavy Seven wing things changed. Front man of the award-winning Chrisitan group, MercyMe, Bart Millard joins me for a great conversation about the complexities of personality and how fear plays into his daily life. In this episode, we discuss: what let Bart to conclude his core type is a Six the strong influence wings can have on your core type the difference between about counter phobic and phobic sixes Tune in to hear our conversation and learn more about the inner workings of an Enneagram Six.
S4 E36 · Thu, February 25, 2021
Hip-Hop Artist Lecrae's Restoration through Authenticity
We’ve got another great interview today. An entrepreneur, actor, musician, singer-songwriter, and music executive...hip-hop artist Lecrae joins me in a personal conversation about shame and grief. We get really honest about his life, where he came from, what influenced his Threeness, a real identity crisis that he hit at the height of his fame, and what role therapy has played in his healing and restoration.
S4 E35 · Thu, February 18, 2021
How Hidden Beliefs Impacted Toni and Carey Nieuwhof's Marriage
What mud do you bring into your relationships? Though we’re often unaware of them until we can no longer ignore them, each of us carries hidden beliefs adopted in childhood into every relationship. And until we bring that mud, those self-limiting beliefs, to the surface they’re going to work against us as adults. This week, Toni and Carey Nieuwhof, join me to talk about the unconscious messages that impacted their relationship, identify the seven core issues that tend to take out marriages, and share what they learned while working through their “messy middle.”
S4 E34 · Thu, February 11, 2021
Audrey Assad Embodies the Intuitive Wisdom of an Enneagram 9
Enneagram Nines have an innate ability to foster peace with those around them. With their intuitive wisdom and great skill in listening to differences and understanding multiple perspectives, Nines seem to have a leg up on the rest of us when it comes to spirituality. Artist and multiple Dove award nominee, Audrey Assad beautifully gives us an honest look into the importance of spiritual community, embracing shadow work, and manifesting a non-anxious presence. Listen through to the end as Audrey also offers a few great tips for Nines.
S4 E33 · Thu, February 04, 2021
Jordan Lee Dooley Owns Her Complex Emotions (Enneagram 3)
How do you do the things within your control without falling under the illusion that you are in control? Control is a big theme in all of our lives...it just shows up in different ways. No matter your type, we all try to control others with the suite of behaviors that go with our type. In fact, we train people to respond to us and interact with us in a certain way based on our type. So, how does an Enneagram 3 respond when faced with something they can’t do -- something that’s out of their control? National bestselling author, speaker, founder/CEO of the Own It Academy, and host of SHE, a top-rated podcast for women, Jordan Lee Dooley opens up about one of her most challenging struggles, how she is responding to the complex emotions surrounding grief, and learning to let go of the things she can’t control. We love it when our guests get vulnerable because it reminds us that we are not alone. And, you are not alone.
S4 E32 · Thu, January 28, 2021
Morgan Harper Nichols Illustrates the Beauty in Connection
As we navigate the current climate it’s easy to become disconnected. But as humans, we’re actually wired for connection. We must look for opportunities to connect with each other. Connection is fuel for the soul. And who better to explain the beauty of connection, of togetherness, than Morgan Harper Nichols. For Enneagram Fives who may already isolate, and be comfortable there, Morgan’s words illuminate the importance and the challenge of balancing that space and connection. Morgan Harper Nichols is an artist and poet whose work is inspired by real-life interactions and stories. Morgan spent the first couple of years of her professional life as a college admission counselor, and then, as a full-time touring singer-songwriter and musician. It was on the road that she cultivated her curiosity and passion for writing, art, and design and slowly began to share her work online.
S4 E31 · Thu, January 21, 2021
Aura Bora Founders, Maddie and Paul Voge on the Power of the Enneagram in their Marriage and Work (Enneagram 9 and 7)
I often get emails from our listeners asking how the Enneagram can help their marriage. And usually, the email is asking for advice on a specific type-combination. That can be difficult to answer because there are so many variants with the Enneagram. But, when you understand the Enneagram--and not just your own type--it can be an invaluable tool for communication and support in any relationship, in any type-combination. Today, we’ve got a young couple joining us to talk about how the Enneagram allows them to help each other do ‘work’ within their own type. Our special guests, Maddie and Paul Voge, owners of the sparkling water line, Aura Bora, share: What a relationship between a 7 and a 9 is like Where their types go in stress, and How the Enneagram helps them manage extreme stress Listen in for some great Enneagram insights then set a reminder to watch Shark Tank on Friday, January 22nd to find out whether they “got a deal.”
S4 E30 · Thu, January 14, 2021
Chris Cook on Finding Your True Self After Trauma (Enneagram 1)
I’m often asked how trauma affects your Enneagram type. The answer is: it’s complicated. Trauma is the result of an extraordinarily stressful event that shatters your sense of security and safety and makes you feel isolated and helpless in the world. It can be a one-time event or ongoing, complex trauma. Your response to trauma largely determines the type toward which you gravitate as a little child as a way of coping in the world. In today’s episode, Chris Cook opens up about his childhood trauma and how healing his broken spirit exposed his true self. We also dig into unconscious motivations, subtypes, and the inner critic. You don’t want to miss this in-depth conversation. Christopher Cook believes people should be able to live successful, meaningful lives, far above the status quo of “just getting by.” Put simply, he believes people should be able to win today. He exercises this belief as a leadership coach and business consultant to both Fortune 1000 and non-profit organizations. Additionally, he is the host of “Win Today with Christopher Cook,” a weekly podcast available on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, iHeart Radio, and most other outlets. Through his work at WINTODAY.tv and as a featured writer for SUCCESS Magazine, he serves as a guide to wellness-minded men and women who are eager to confidently design their roadmap to wholeness and show up each day fully-alive in their true identity.
S4 E29 · Thu, January 07, 2021
Dr. Sasha Shillcutt: Empowerment through the Enneagram (Type 8) [S04-029]
We often think of Enneagram Eights as powerful, charismatic, and natural leaders. They make great mentors with an uncanny ability to inspire and uplift people. Our guest today is a wonderful example of a healthy Eight leader who understands how to balance the power of her personality with self-restraint and vulnerability while motivating others. Dr. Sasha Shillcutt shares what drives her as an Eight, how she’s managed the past year of the pandemic, and why it’s important for her to empower other women to live life “brave enough.” In this episode, we hope you will discover: When and where to lean into the 7 wing or the 9 wing of an Enneagram Eight Enneagram Eight subtypes and how they show up differently in the world A few tips for mitigating the passion (lust) of the Eight ABOUT DR. SASHA SHILLCUTT S asha K. Shillcutt, MD, MS, FASE is a renowned cardiac anesthesiologist, Tenured Professor and the Vice-Chair of Strategy and Innovation in the Department of Anesthesiology at the University of Nebraska Medical Center (UNMC). Sasha is also a wife, mother, well-published gender-equity researcher, and Founder of Brave Enough, where she leads over 12,000 female physicians. She teaches professional women resilience, self-care, and negotiation through events, retreats, and courses. Sasha speaks frequently to executives and companies on the topics of professional burnout, resilience and gender equity and has a featured TEDX Talk on Resilience: The Art of Failing Forward. Her writing has been published in both the New England Journal of Medicine and JAMA. Her book, Between Grit and Grace , and podcast, The Brave Enough Show , elevate women to lead authentic and empowered lives.
S4 E28 · Thu, December 31, 2020
REPLAY: Lisa-Jo Baker Sets Boundaries as an Enneagram Two
At their best, Enneagram Twos truly radiate the unconditional, altruistic love of God. They just sort of signal love out into the world in a way that no other type can. But they also have a hard time being able to stop meeting the needs of others which can empty their tanks and lead to resentment. This episode resonated so well with a lot of our Two listeners. So, take another listen as Lisa-Jo shares what has changed for her at mid-life, what led her to embrace the superpowers and the kryptonite of an Enneagram Two, and how she knows when it’s time for her to refuel. Cheers to a New Year!
S4 E27 · Wed, December 23, 2020
REPLAY: Anne Bogel Gets Decisive as an Enneagram 9
Decision making takes courage. But sometimes the commitment to find the best option consumes an enormous amount of mental energy and can leave any of us exhausted and stuck. However, when you learn to stop overthinking you can start spending time on things that bring more peace, love, and joy into your life. Today, we're revisiting my interview with Anne Bogel on getting decisive. Though we focus a lot on Enneagram Nines in this conversation, I think you'll find her advice applicable -- no matter what your type is! So, take another listen as Anne gets to the heart of decision-making as an Enneagram Nine, shares what perfectionism-driven overthinking looks like, and suggests a few disciplines that Nines can use to get out of analysis-paralysis. Wishing you all a very happy holiday!
S4 E26 · Thu, December 17, 2020
Jelani Memory: What is Good Can Be Gray (Enneagram 1)
What is right and what is wrong? What is good? What is not good? We all tend to believe we know, but each one of us would answer these questions differently. Enneagram Ones, in particular, tend to be pretty black and white when it comes to right and wrong. Typically, it’s harder for Ones to see the gray. So, learning to see the fundamental perfection, or goodness, at the core of all things is an important area of growth for Ones. Today, author Jelani Memory and I explore the nuances of The Improver, the impact family of origin has on personality, and how he’s learned to find good in the gray. Jelani Memory is a black man of faith, who originally founded Circle Media which is now Co-owned by Disney and launched an amazing publishing company called A Kids Book About. The mission of “A Kids Book About,” is to help kids and their grownups have honest conversations by making books about challenging, empowering, and important topics told by diverse authors who know that topic first-hand. They cover a range of topics such as racism, white privilege, empathy, anxiety, and addiction. He's spent his career creating products for families, changing the way they engage online and with each other. He lives in Portland OR with his wife and six kids. He still hopes to become an artist when he grows up.
S4 E25 · Thu, December 10, 2020
Part 2: Leeann and Michelle Bring Humor to the Enneagram (Types 4 and 8)
This week I continue the conversation with Leeann and Michelle. Blending humor, motherhood, and the Enneagram, Leeann and Michelle show how they approach self-awareness and personal growth with lightheartedness and compassion towards themselves and others. Tune in through the end of the show to hear the advice they each share for processing big emotions. With backgrounds in commercial acting, television news, and comedy – Leeann and Michelle are a firehouse combination. You recognize them from their viral hits like, “ Look What Joanna Made Me Do ,” “ If You’re My Friend Then You’d Buy This ,” and “ The Diet .” The success of videos like those fuels their passion to create great comedy in many mediums; parodies, sketch humor and live shows. Leeann & Michelle have attracted 40 million views of their videos, and have received national attention from USA Today , The New York Times , TODAY and Southern Living . Leeann & Michelle routinely appear in local media , sell out their improv shows, and have even earned the adoration of the one and only, Joanna Gaines. Between shoots, you can find Leeann & Michelle sweating it out in Phoenix, AZ. Leeann is likely cleaning or organizing her home (again), while Michelle is avoiding laundry. You can watch more of Leeann and Michelle on YouTube . **If you love this episode and want to hear more about Fours and Eights, listen to Tori Kelly and Andre Murillo discuss the role the Enneagram plays in understanding their friends and family, respecting each other’s strengths, and navigating their emotions.
S4 E24 · Thu, December 03, 2020
Leeann and Michelle Bring Humor to the Enneagram (Types 4 and 8)
What happens when two comedians who love the Enneagram get together to make YouTube videos? You get over 50 amusing Enneagram-related videos to entertain you. With backgrounds in commercial acting, television news and comedy, Leeann Dearing and Michelle Fortin are a firehouse duo who create great comedy in many mediums: parodies, sketch humor and live shows. You can catch their “Enneagram Funnies” here . These two join me in witty banter to discuss how the Enneagram has transformed their lives. You’re going to love them.
S4 E23 · Thu, November 26, 2020
Jamie Grace Quiets the Noise (Enneagram 7)
Enneagram Sevens typically appear confident, optimistic, and sunny. They’re experts at finding the silver lining in any given situation in an attempt to avoid psychological and emotional or even sometimes circumstantial discomfort or distress. But what people don't understand about Sevens is if you scratch the paint just a little bit you’ll find a lot of anxiety and unattended sorrow, unattended grief that they've spent so long living into the expectations that others have of them to always be the person who brings the juice, or make the party fun. So how do Sevens learn to sift through their anxiety and grief so they come out stronger on the other side? Listen as my guest, two-time Grammy-nominated singer/songwriter and actress, Jamie Grace, walks us through her process and provides a few tips for quieting the noise. Jamie is a very self-aware Enneagram Seven who actively advocates for joy, wellness, and mental health through the lens of music, film, and faith. An entertainer at heart, she regularly creates fresh content, including new music and weekly videos and episodes of her podcast, the Jamie Grace Podcast.
S4 E22 · Thu, November 19, 2020
Marcus Johns Learns He's Not in Control (Enneagram 8)
The Enneagram is a wonderful instrument that helps us develop self-awareness and self-knowledge that allows us to move through the world more intelligently, with more love and compassion, but it doesn’t define us. It helps us develop an internal witness who can stand back and observe when we need to make a different choice or action. So, when life throws you a curveball, as it did for our guest, Marcus Johns, the Enneagram allows us to shift our perspective and let go of what is not in our control. Marcus is an actor, musician, writer, and social content creator best known for his viral Vine videos, which continue to entertain people on YouTube. You can also find him here on Instagram .
S4 E21 · Thu, November 12, 2020
Lee and Laura Camp on Healing with the Enneagram (Type 1 and 8)
I’m often asked what it’s like for specific type-pairings to be in a relationship? I believe that any type can have a successful partnership as long as they are healthy in their type. That doesn’t mean there won’t be challenges along the way, but when you’re self-aware and also understand how your partner sees the world, it allows for more grace and compassion towards each other. Today, Lee and Laura Camp join me in a discussion of how the Enneagram helped them get into a healthy space and allowed them to heal their relationship as an Enneagram 1 and Enneagram 8.
S4 E20 · Thu, November 05, 2020
Ben Higgins: Alone in Plain Sight as an Enneagram 4
We know that Enneagram Ones have a strong inner critic, but they're not alone. Just how loud is that inner critic for an Enneagram Four? What does it sound like? Tune in this week as former Bachelor, Ben Higgins talks about his inner critic, the healing journey of getting over his “Self,” and the role the Enneagram has played in finding true compassion and connection among all of his relationships.
S4 E19 · Thu, October 29, 2020
Joshua Dubois on Leading with Self-Awareness and Empathy (Enneagram 8)
Enneagram Eights are charismatic individuals who lead through strength, competence, stability, and control. When self-aware, they learn to balance their intensity with a strategic approach and bring community leaders together to execute big changes. Today’s guest, one of our country’s top voices on community partnerships, Joshua Dubois, joins me in a discussion about the Enneagram and how it has made his team more empathetic and more human with one another. In this episode we cover: Learning to trust his instincts How leading strategically opens the door for communication What Joshua learned through his experience in the White House CEO, author, and media commentator, Joshua DuBois is one of our country’s top voices on community partnerships, issues impacting African Americans, and religion in the public square. Joshua led the White House Office of Faith-based and Neighborhood Partnerships under President Obama. In the White House he brought together community leaders from across the ideological spectrum to tackle some of the nation’s biggest challenges. Joshua is now CEO of Gauge, a market research company, and also leads Values Partnerships ( valuespartnerships.com ), one of the country’s top social impact agencies. He is a frequent media commentator on CNN and author of the bestselling book, “ The President’s Devotional: The Daily Readings that Inspired President Obama ,” a compilation of the devotional meditations he shared with the President and narratives of faith in public life.
S4 E18 · Thu, October 22, 2020
Alli Worthington on Standing Strong as an Enneagram 7 [S04-018]
One of my favorite quotes by M. Scott Peck is, “Life is difficult. This is a great truth, one of the greatest truths.” Once you accept that life is hard, and the sooner that you accept it, the better off you’ll be. With all the craziness of 2020, it’s important to remember that life is full of struggles and we all have to live with a certain amount of pain. If we let it, our negative thoughts can take over and take us out of the game before we even start. But, with a little self-awareness, we can learn to quiet our thoughts and manage the uncertainty and self-doubt that arises when times are difficult. My guest today, author, business coach, and Enneagram 7, Alli Worthington joins me for a great conversation about overcoming adversity and moving forward when things are tough. In this episode, we discuss: What it looks like to “Stand Strong.” How to manage pain and crisis without numbing out, and Recognizing and managing your Inner Critic Alli Worthington is known for her straight-talking encouragement and practical tools that help women reach their dreams in business and life. She’s a business coach and advisor who has worked with companies such as Intel, Disney, Microsoft, and Procter & Gamble. She is the co-founder of “Called Creatives,” where she coaches writers and speakers. Author of The Year of Living Happy, Fierce Faith, and Breaking Busy, Alli is a well-known speaker and host of the popular podcast, The Alli Worthington Show . In her new book, Standing Strong: A Woman’s Guide to Overcoming Adversity and Living with Confidence , Alli gives women a no-nonsense guide to recognizing and eliminating the things that hold them back, to tackling the obstacles of fear, self-doubt, and insecurity, and to stepping into the dreams that planted in their hearts. Each chapter closes with discussion questions and action steps to aid readers on their journeys to living with strength and confidence.
S4 E18 · Thu, October 15, 2020
Ken Coleman on Mistyping and the Enneagram
When trying to figure out your Enneagram type it’s important to know all nine types. If you think you know your type and just read up on that type, you may actually do confirmation bias and just automatically assume, “That sounds like me.” But when you know all 9 types, you can really dig into the underlying motivation of each type to see which one resonates strongest for you. So, when Ken Coleman joined me a few months ago to discuss finding your dream job and living as an Enneagram Eight, I kept thinking that something didn’t quite fit. And knowing that Enneagram Threes and Eights often mistype themselves, I encouraged Ken to do some reading. Today, Ken’s back to share what he learned. Listen in as we cover: Why 3s and 8s often get mistyped as each other Whether your personality is hard-wired or driven by the environment The importance of knowing your subtype
S4 E16 · Thu, October 08, 2020
Part 2: Andy Stanley on Decision-Making and the Enneagram
There’s no question that we’re living in a time where a lot of unprecedented decisions are being made all around us. In our current climate, it couldn’t be more evident that we all approach decision-making in different ways — even our responses to decisions other people make vary. Last week, host of The Andy Stanley Leadership Podcast, founder of North Point Ministries, and author of Better Decisions, Fewer Regrets , Andy Stanley and I talked about how your type makes decisions. This week we continue our conversation and cover how each Enneagram type responds when decisions are made for them that impact their life circumstances. Be sure to listen to part one and two, then download this quick reference that summarizes both episodes.
S4 E15 · Thu, October 01, 2020
Andy Stanley on Decision-Making with the Enneagram, Part 1
How do you make decisions? Does your initial response come from the head, heart, or gut? Our natural tendency is to think that everyone makes decisions the same way that we do. But the reality is that each Enneagram type takes information in through a different lens which impacts the decisions we make on a daily basis. This week we’ve got a special treat for you. Host of The Andy Stanley Leadership Podcast and founder of North Point Ministries, and author of Better Decisions, Fewer Regrets , Andy Stanley takes over as host and interviews me on how each type makes decisions. In this episode you’ll learn: The default question each type asks as they make decisions Whether your type approaches decisions from the head, heart, or gut What your type should consider before making a decision About Andy Stanley Andy Stanley is a pastor, communicator, and bestselling author. Andy founded Atlanta-based North Point Ministries in 1995. Today, NPM consists of seven churches in the Atlanta area and a network of more than 90 churches around the globe that collectively serve nearly 185,000 people weekly. A survey of U.S. pastors in Outreach Magazine identified Andy as one of the ten most influential living pastors in America. Your Move with Andy Stanley premiered on NBC after Saturday Night Live in 2012 and on CBS after The Late Late Show with James Corden in 2017, giving him an even wider audience. Currently, over seven million episodes are consumed each month through television and podcasts. Nothing is as personal as his passion for engaging with live audiences, which he has pursued for over two decades at leadership events around the world. In high demand, he speaks at various annual events before audiences of both church and organizational leaders. Andy and his wife, Sandra, have three grown children and live near Atlanta. For more information on Andy, visit https://andystanley.com . ---------------------------------------------------------------------- This show is brought to you by Restoring the Soul and Thrive Market . Want to advertise/sponsor our show? Email typology@ianmorgancron.com for more information.
S4 E14 · Thu, September 24, 2020
Bari Tessler: Why Every Type Needs a Financial Therapist (Enneagram 4)
What is your relationship with money? Do you have a healthy one? Do you have a conscious one? Most of us don’t receive a financial education or an emotional literacy education as we are growing up. But, given how much we think about money, understanding what it is for, and why it is uniquely important to you can help foster a better, more intentional relationship with money. Bari Tessler, Financial Therapist, podcast host, and author of The Art of Money joins me for a discussion on money healing and shares insights into how each type relates to money. In today’s episode you’ll discover: What a financial therapist is and why you need one What “money emotions” are and how they show up for your type How a body check-in relates to money healing Bari Tessler Linden, M.A., is a Financial Therapist, Mentor Coach, Mama-preneur, and the Founder of The Art of Money. She has guided thousands of people to new, empowered, and refreshingly honest relationships with money through her nurturing, body-centered approach. Her methodology weaves together personal, couple, and creative entrepreneurial money teachings into one complete tapestry. She is the founder of The Art of Money: a year-long money school, which integrates Money Healing, Money Practices and Money Maps. You can learn more about Bari on her website at https://baritessler.com or follow her on Instagram and Facebook at @baritessler. ======================================== Ready to connect to the world around you and live true to yourself? Support your journey with my new course, True You: A Deeper Exploration of the Enneagram. Join the waitlist at https://www.typologyinstitute.com.
S4 E13 · Thu, September 17, 2020
What the Enneagram Says About Your Money Style w/Rachel Cruze (Enneagram 3)
We all view the world through a different lens and the motivations that drive the decisions we make also vary. The Enneagram is a valuable tool for helping us understand those motivations so we can become more patient parents, communicate better with our spouses, and extend compassion to our coworkers. Our underlying motivations even play a large role in how we behave when it comes to money. When you understand the why behind how you handle money the way that you do, you can begin to make better choices that lead to lasting change. And today, #1 New York Times bestselling author and money expert, Rachel Cruze, joins me to talk about the natural tendencies and basic challenges of each Enneagram type when it comes to finances. ABOUT RACHEL CRUZE Rachel Cruze helps people learn the proper ways to handle money and stay out of debt. She’s authored three bestselling books, including Love Your Life, Not Theirs and Smart Money Smart Kids . The daughter of Dave Ramsey, she uses the knowledge and experiences from growing up in the Ramsey household to educate others. She’s the host of The Rachel Cruze Show , which is available on Facebook and YouTube, and The Rachel Cruze Show podcast, which is available on Apple Podcasts and Google Podcasts. You can follow Cruze on Twitter and Instagram at @RachelCruze and online at rachelcruze.com, youtube.com/rachelcruze, or facebook.com/rachelramseycruze
S4 E12 · Thu, September 10, 2020
Power Under Control with Dave Ramsey (Enneagram 8)
Healthy Eights are great friends, exceptional leaders, and champions of those who cannot fight on their own behalf. These Eights are intelligent, self-confident, driven, and use their power in the right measure at the appropriate times. They are highly intuitive and read the world from their gut. And, today’s guest is no exception. Listen as Dave Ramsey joins me to talk about the Enneagram and how it has changed the way he moves through the world. You don’t want to miss his insights as they pertain to trusting his instincts, leading authentically, processing information, and decision-making. Dave Ramsey is a financial expert helping millions avoid the mistakes he’s made to improve their financial wellness. As the owner of Ramsey Solutions, Dave employs more than 800 team members who are focused and dedicated to doing work that matters. The Dave Ramsey Show is the third-largest radio talk show in America and is heard by more than 14 million listeners each week on more than 600 radio stations, The Dave Ramsey Show podcast, SiriusXM, iHeartRadio, and a 24-hour online streaming video channel. His caller-driven show features Ramsey’s advice on avoiding money mistakes and his step-by-step plan to get out of them. The Dave Ramsey Show celebrated 25 years on the air in 2017. You can find more on Dave Ramsey at daveramsey.com or follow him on social media at @daveramsey or @ramseyshow.
S4 E11 · Thu, September 03, 2020
Jamie Ivey on Living in the Present Moment (Enneagram 6)
The ever-present passion (fear) that drives the Enneagram Six’s way of acting, thinking, and feeling, is actually experienced as anxiety. Fear is what arises when you’re in the presence of a clear and immediate source of danger. Anxiety, in contrast, is a vague, free-floating sense of apprehension that arises in response to an unknown or potential threat. For Sixes, anxiety plays a role in all aspects of their life. They are constantly planning “what-if” scenarios, have thought through the contingencies, and know exactly what to do in any given situation. But healthy, self-aware Sixes recognize their pattern of worst-case-scenario planning, learn to trust their own experiences, and believe that in the end everything will be alright. In this episode of Typology, author and host of “The Happy Hour with Jamie Ivey” podcast and Enneagram Six, Jamie Ivey explains the thread of natural caution and apprehension she feels as it relates to her friendships, marriage, and parenting. And she reminds us that, when healthy, the Six’s anxiety produces a lot of great stories! P.S. Listen to this episode then text “FRIEND” to 33777 for a free download from Jamie.
S4 E9 · Thu, August 27, 2020
REPLAY: So Six-y It Hurts
The more I know about life and people, the more I love Enneagram Sixes. Called Loyalists, Sixes are the most faithful and dependable people on the Enneagram. They keep a watchful eye over us. They safeguard our values. In my opinion, they're the glue that holds our world together. And, by the time this episode is over, you’re going to understand why Enneagram Sixes have a reputation for being some of the funniest people on the planet. Today, Jill Phillips, Leslie Jordan, Francie Likis, and Katie Williams describe what it’s like to be Enneagram Sixes. You're going to love and admire this group of women as they explain: How fear and anxiety manifest in The Loyalist What the difference is between counter-phobic and phobic Sixes How different forms of worst-case-scenario planning play out So, sit back, hit play, and listen to this remarkable group of women talk about how they see and experience the world. You’ll enjoy every minute of it.
S4 E8 · Thu, August 20, 2020
REPLAY: Author Jo Saxton Lives Out Loud
Another one of my favorite episodes is my interview from Season 1 with Jo Saxton. She’s an author, speaker, podcast host, and leadership coach who has dedicated her career to growing leadership teams around the world and empowering women to find their purpose in their personal and professional lives. She’s also a strong voice for Enneagram Eights. Healthy Eights are great friends, exceptional leaders and champions of those who cannot fight on their own behalf. They have the intelligence, courage and stamina to do what others say can’t be done. And, as with most Enneagram Eights, Jo Saxton is full of Eight's life-giving energy. When healthy, Eights learn to open their hearts like a healthy Two. And on this replay, Jo shares how she peeled back the layers, let down her defenses and got in touch with their inner heart. Listen in as we discuss healing broken identities and using the Enneagram as a tool for breaking through the junk that we accumulate and that confuses us from seeing who we truly are. And at the end of the show, Jo Saxton shares some tips for Eights who are just beginning to do their work and how they can begin to grow beyond their broken identity, or their broken personality, into their best self. For more information on Jo, visit www.josaxton.com
S4 E7 · Thu, August 13, 2020
REPLAY: Richard Rohr on Getting Over Your "Self" with the Enneagram [S04-007]
As we continue to celebrate reaching over 11 Million downloads, I’d like to revisit my interview with Fr. Richard Rohr. I first encountered the Enneagram when I was a graduate student at a conservative seminary. While on a weekend retreat I came across a copy of Fr. Richard Rohr’s book, Discovering The Enneagram: An Ancient Tool for a New Spiritual Journey . In that book Richard describes the traits and the underlying compulsions of each of the nine basic Enneagram types. Based on my life experience and what I’d learned in my training to become a counselor, Rohr’s description of the types blew my mind. They were uncannily accurate. I felt sure I had stumbled on an amazing resource, not only for Christians but for all people. Little did I know, that 25 years later, Richard and I would be friends and the Enneagram would become the central focus of my work. In this episode, you will learn: How Richard discovered the Enneagram How to break the shackles of self-doubt with self-compassion What exactly is the true self vs. false self Why the Enneagram can help to identify the true-self How we can use the Enneagram on a daily basis as a framework, or blueprint, for spiritual formation Richard also offers words of encouragement for and caution for each Enneagram type. Richard is a Franciscan priest of the New Mexico Province and he is the founder of the  Center for  Action and Contemplation (CAC)  in Albuquerque, New Mexico. He is the author of numerous books, including  Everything Belongs ,  Adam’s Return ,  The Naked Now ,  Breathing Under Water ,  Falling Upward ,  Immortal Diamond , and  Eager to Love: The Alternative Way of Francis of Assisi .
S4 E6 · Thu, August 06, 2020
REPLAY: There's Power in Peace w/Lysa Terkeurst (Enneagram 9)
We want to thank all of our listeners for tuning in and sharing our episodes -- helping us reach our biggest milestone yet -- 11 million downloads! As we celebrate this month, we'll be revisiting a few of Ian's favorite episodes that show just how powerful the Enneagram is as a tool for personal transformation. In today's replay, we take a look at the adaptable, caring, and "go with the flow" nature of Enneagram Nines. To keep the peace, Nines can over-accommodate in an unconscious effort to avoid conflict and "fall asleep" to their own needs. Our guest, Lysa Terkeurst, #1 New York Times bestselling author and Enneagram Nine, explains why it's important for The Peacemaker not to confuse the desire for peace with the disease to please and to recognize the delight of being yourself. Lysa TerKeurst is the #1 New York Times bestselling author of Uninvited and It’s Not Supposed to be This Way as well as 21 other books. As president of Proverbs 31 Ministries, Lysa and her staff are passionate about teaching the Word of God in ways that get people excited to live the Bible out loud. With their First 5 app and Encouragement for Today devotions, millions of people are studying God’s Word every day with Lysa and her team. Lysa writes from her sticky farm table and lives with her family in North Carolina. Lysa was recently awarded the Champions of Faith Author Award and has been published in multiple publications such as Fox News and CNN online. Additionally, she has appeared on the Today Show as one of the leading voices in the Christian community. Each year, Lysa is a featured keynote presenter at more than 40 events across North America, including the Women of Joy Conferences and the Catalyst Leadership Conference. She has a passion for equipping women to share their stories for God's glory through Proverbs 31 Ministries' annual She Speaks Conference and writer training program, COMPEL: Words That Move People. Lysa writes from her sticky farm table and lives with her family in North Carolina.
S4 E5 · Thu, July 30, 2020
Jenni Catron and Identity Work as an Enneagram 3
Driven by the desire to appear successful and distinguish themselves through their achievements, image-focused Enneagram Threes often appear confident, ambitious, and goal-oriented. At their best, they are self-accepting, authentic role models who inspire others. Today, author and leadership coach, Jenni Catron explains the pivotal role the Enneagram has had played for her personally and professionally. She discusses the importance of identity work for Enneagram Threes, recognizing when the shadow-side is showing up more, and how being too risk-avoidant can hinder growth and development. Jenni Catron is a leadership coach, author and speaker. Her passion is to cultivate healthy leaders to lead thriving organizations. She speaks at conferences and events nationwide, seeking to help leaders develop the clarity and confidence to lead well. As Founder and CEO of The 4Sight Group , she consults organizations on leadership, team culture and organizational health. With over 20 years of experience in corporate and non-profit organizations, Jenni has a passion for helping leaders “put feet to their vision.” Jenni is the author of several books including Clout: Discover and Unleash Your God-Given Influence and The 4 Dimensions of Extraordinary Leadership . She loves a fabulous cup of tea, great books, learning the game of tennis and hiking with her husband. Jenni can be found on social media at @jennicatron and at https://get4sight.com You can also download her free PDF to help you define compelling values for your team.
S4 E4 · Thu, July 23, 2020
Blake Mycoskie on the Process of Renewal as an Enneagram 7 [S04-004]
Known for their playful, high-spirited, and spontaneous personalities, Enneagram Sevens infuse optimism and adventure in their daily interactions. But their fear of boredom can lead to impulsive decision making and difficulty committing to plans in advance. So, what happens when an Enneagram Seven focuses on doing their work and allows the knowledge to penetrate and break the patterns that typically drive an Enthusiast? Our guest, founder of TOMS and Madefor, Blake Mycoskie shares how the adoption of specific positive practices has helped him to really thrive and flourish as his best, most authentic self. Blake Mycoskie is a serial entrepreneur, philanthropist, and best-selling author most known for founding TOMS Shoes. He’s also the person behind the idea of One for One®, a business model that helps a person in need with every product purchased. As a New York Times best-selling author of the book, Start Something That Matters, Blake offered his own story of inspiration and the power of incorporating giving in business. He’s achieved numerous accolades for his unique approach to business including the Secretary of State’s 2009 Award of Corporate Excellence, the 2015 Next Generation Award from Harvard’s School of Public Health, the 2016 Cannes Lion Heart Award, and the 2018 amfAR Award of Courage. Blake also recently expanded his philanthropic efforts to include the funding of the Center for Psychedelic and Consciousness Research at Johns Hopkins, making it the first such research center in the US and the largest of its kind in the world. His current project, Madefor is a ten-month program that applies the principles of modern neuroscience, psychology and physiology to make your brain and body better. It leads you to adopt habits that work together to shift your mindset and behaviors. And, just for our Typology listeners, you’ll receive 20% off with the discount code MFTYPOLOGY . For more information, visit GetMadeFor.com .
S4 E3 · Thu, July 16, 2020
Ken Coleman on Using Proximity and the Enneagram to Find Your Dream Job
Enneagram Eights are real forces of nature. They are incredibly hardworking with a great deal of energy, and their self-confidence and take-charge personality make it easy for them to make difficult decisions. So, when it comes to finding the job you love, Enneagram Eight, Ken Coleman couldn’t be a better guide. Today on Typology, Ken not only outlines the questions any Enneagram type needs to answer in order to find their dream job, but he also covers what he likes about being an Enneagram Eight and how it’s helped him in his personal and professional life. Ken Coleman is the #1 national bestselling author of The Proximity Principle : The Proven Strategy That Will Lead to the Career You Love. At Ramsey Solutions, he hosts The Ken Coleman Show , a nationally syndicated radio show — part of the Ramsey Network — that airs on 51 stations across the U.S every weekday. Ken is a trusted voice and expert who’s been featured in Forbes and appeared on Fox Business Network, Yahoo! Finance, and the Rachael Ray Show .
S4 E2 · Thu, July 09, 2020
Josh Radnor's Shift from the Outside In
As a map of our interior world, the Enneagram is meant to bring about or enable spiritual transformation. But what does it look like when we are far enough down our path to see a difference? Our guest, actor/musician and Enneagram three Josh Radnor illustrates that vision today. Josh talks to Ian about growing in his compassion for himself and others, transforming from an unevolved three to an evolved three, recognizing the tension that plays out as a three with a four wing, and what spirituality looks like for him right now. JOSH RADNOR, most famous for his role on the long-running hit sitcom HOW I MET YOUR MOTHER, also has an impressive body of dramatic work. Josh wrote, directed, and starred in Sundance feature hits LIBERAL ARTS and HAPPYTHANKYOUMOREPLEASE, and co-starred alongside Katheryn Hahn in Jill Soloway’s AFTERNOON DELIGHT, which also premiered at Sundance. Josh has also starred in numerous plays on Broadway. On television, he starred for two seasons on PBS's MERCY STREET and on NBC’s one-hour drama RISE. He is in a band with musician Ben Lee, called Radnor & Lee, and they just released their second album GOLDEN STATE. You can also see him alongside Al Pacino as the Nazi hunter Lonny Flash in Amazon's HUNTERS.
S4 E1 · Thu, July 02, 2020
How the Enneagram Impacts Tori Kelly and André Murillo
We're kicking off season 4 with a great episode! Today, Enneagram Four pop star Tori Kelly and former professional basketball player André Murillo join me to talk about how the Enneagram has impacted their relationship. Right out of the gate the conversation goes deep into how the Enneagram fosters a better understanding of the needs of their friends and family, encourages them to respect each other’s strengths, and helps them navigate the different ways they each approach emotions. Tori Kelly is an American singer, songwriter, actress, and record producer who first gained recognition after posting videos on YouTube as a teenager, and appeared as a semi-finalist on the ninth season of American Idol in 2010. Thereafter, she independently released her self-produced debut EP in 2012, Handmade Songs by Tori Kelly . Since making her debut with 2015’s Unbreakable Smile, a widely acclaimed album that entered the Billboard 200 at No. 2, Tori has lit up the pop landscape with her breathtaking vocals and full-hearted songwriting. Over the past year, she’s continued to captivate with her sophomore effort Hiding Place : a passion project whose R&B-tinged take on classic gospel won Best Gospel Album at the 2019 Grammy Awards. And though Hiding Place marks a stylistic departure from Kelly’s work in the pop world, each song shows the steadfast commitment to uncompromising artistry that carries through her music. Her husband, André Murillo is a former German-American professional basketball player who was raised in Lake Forest, California. He started his basketball career at Hamburg Towers in the German Pro A Basketball League then played for the Sea View League MVP. He currently has a passion for writing and sharing his personal life experiences.
S3 E48 · Thu, June 25, 2020
Kendra Adachi's Lazy Genius Way to Embrace What Matters as an Enneagram One
When I first heard an Improver wrote a book titled, The Lazy Genius Way , I had to get her on the show. How on earth does an Enneagram One, who typically can’t stop working to perfect the world and relax, come to embrace laziness? In today’s episode, author Kendra Adachi explains why it’s so important to be a genius about the things that matter, but to be lazy about things that don’t. She also talks about the impact the Enneagram has had on growing in self-awareness, helping her recognize and find compassion for her inner critic, and adopting simple practices to help break out of the trap of her personality.
S3 E47 · Thu, June 18, 2020
Michael Hyatt on Vision-Driven Leadership
What makes a great leader? We typically think of a strong leader as someone who knows where they are going and how to motivate others to get there. But how do you effectively lead your team if you don’t have a clear vision of your future? On this edition of Typology, Michael Hyatt explains what a Vision Driven Leader is and why a strategic vision is the most essential ingredient in leadership, not just in business but in all aspects of our lives. Known for his New York Times and Wall Street Journal bestselling books advising leaders in the area of productivity and goal achievement, Michael is uniquely qualified with over 40 years of experience as an entrepreneur and executive to discuss the make-or-break factor in successful leadership: vision. In this podcast, you’ll discover: What a vision script is and why it’s so important How an irresistible, clear vision can rally your team How to avoid distractions and focus on opportunities that connect with your vision Listen to this great episode then make sure to grab your copy of The Vision Driven Leader: 10 Questions to Focus Your Efforts, Energize Your Team, and Scale Your Business .
S3 E46 · Thu, June 11, 2020
Elizabeth Evans Flips the Script as an Enneagram 5 [S03-046]
This week I’m thrilled to welcome podcast goddess and Enneagram Five, Elizabeth Evans. Having previously wrestled with a scarcity mindset that kept her wrapped up in her mind, she shares her powerful story of how she flipped the script of her fear and stepped into a mindset that led her to become a successful, female business owner. An expert in storytelling, Elizabeth shares how she integrates the Enneagram into her business, opens up about how she manages her “go-to” fears, and explains how she taps into the superpowers that come with being an Enneagram Five. Elizabeth is a podcast producer, economics fanatic and founder of Elizabeth Evans Co. Her 360 boutique podcast studio helps creatives strategically build their show from conception to launch. Her uniquely created podcast methodology has helped world-renowned artists, best-selling authors, award-winning musicians, and impactful influencers to create transformative podcasts full of timeless, quality conversations that empower listeners into extraordinary action. For more information about Elizabeth Evans visit her website and don't forget to check out her recently launched Podcast Society .
S3 E45 · Thu, June 04, 2020
How to Apply the Enneagram in Your Business and Marriage with Tim and Beckie Farrant
How many teams do you belong to? Personally, I am part of numerous teams. Be it my marriage, my friendships, my church, my AA group, or my business, I use the Enneagram with each of my teams to reduce conflict, improve communication, and promote cooperation. It’s an invaluable tool for building stronger teams. In this episode, guests Tim and Beckie Farrant join me to talk about how they apply the Enneagram in business, in leadership, and in marriage. Beckie is a wildly successful DIY blogger and top producer for DoTERRA Essential Oils. Tim has over 20 years in pastoral ministry and is the author of “She’s Selling What?!” Together, they walk us through the ways they support each other and their teams using the Enneagram.
S3 E44 · Thu, May 28, 2020
Dr. Curt Thompson on the Enneagram and Shame
The Enneagram provides nine consistent, fairly predictable ways for us to understand and tell our narrative of how we operate in the world and make sense of our lives. It’s a tool that helps us enter into a conversation with ourselves about the recurring themes and patterns of behaviors that are self-defeating or hurtful to others. One of the themes that operates as a thread in each of our lives is shame. Next to love, I believe shame is the most powerful force in the universe, but in the wrong direction. In today’s profoundly moving, heart-changing episode, author and psychiatrist Dr. Curt Thompson joins me for a deep conversation about shame and how it plays out as a human experience for all nine types. In this episode we cover: The definition of shame… what it does as opposed to what it is Ways shame manifests in each Enneagram type How we can begin to heal shame through community About Curt Thompson, M.D. Curt Thompson, M.D., is a psychiatrist in private practice in Falls Church, Virginia, and founder of Being Known , which develops teaching programs, seminars, and resource materials to help people explore the connection between interpersonal neurobiology and Christian spirituality which lead to genuine change and transformation. Dr. Thompson is the author of Anatomy of the Soul and The Soul of Shame: Retelling the Stories We Believe About Ourselves . Thompson graduated from Wright State University School of Medicine and completed his psychiatric residency at Temple University Hospital. He is board certified by the American Board of Psychiatry and Neurology. He and his wife, Phyllis, are the parents of two children and reside in Arlington, Virginia. He serves as an elder at Washington Community Fellowship in Washington, D.C.
S3 E43 · Thu, May 21, 2020
Chuck Degroat on the Nine Faces of Narcissism
Today, psychologist, author, and spiritual director Chuck Degroat joins me for a killer episode about the nine faces of narcissism. And we’re not talking about people with full-blown narcissistic personality disorder per se. We’re talking about narcissism on a continuum and what it looks like when each Enneagram type is manifesting a narcissistic style or type. Each of us is somewhere on that narcissistic spectrum. In this episode you’ll learn: What narcissism actually is How narcissism shows up in all nine types, and What the healing path is for all nines types to keep narcissism in check.
S3 E42 · Thu, May 14, 2020
Fulfillment NOT Achievement with Molly Fletcher (Enneagram 3)
Earlier this season, Molly Fletcher and I talked about her struggle to relax and turn it off. At the end of our interview, I asked her to come back after she had done some work and really dug into the Enneagram. Now, seven months later, she joins us to share how time and reflection have truly helped her slow down and shift her focus to chasing fulfillment rather than achievement. What does that look like for an Enneagram Three? Tune in to find out. Molly Fletcher is a popular keynote speaker who shares the unconventional techniques that helped her thrive as one of the first female sports agents in the high stakes, big ego world of professional sports. As a highly sought-after motivational speaker, she delivers game-changing messages to top companies, trade associations, and teams worldwide. Molly spent two decades as one of the world’s only female sports agents. She was hailed as the “female Jerry Maguire” by CNN as she recruited and represented hundreds of sport’s biggest names, including Hall of Fame pitcher John Smoltz, PGA TOUR golfer Matt Kuchar, broadcaster Erin Andrews, and basketball championship coaches Tom Izzo and Doc Rivers. She currently serves as a National Trustee member for the Boys & Girls Clubs of America and on the board of directors for the Intercollegiate Tennis Association (ITA) and the national advisory board for the Positive Coaching Alliance (PCA).
S3 E41 · Thu, May 07, 2020
Enneagram and Parenting Insights from the Olricks
What better way to wrap up our series on Enneagram and Parenting, than with a rich conversation with parenting experts, Amy and Jeffrey Olrick, Ph.D. Dr. Olrick is a clinical psychologist who has worked with children and families for over 20 years. Amy is an author and human rights advocate whose work and writing has been featured in the Guardian and USA Today. Together, they run GrowingConnected.com, offering scientifically grounded and faith-informed resources for parents. Today we discuss: How the Enneagram can help parents identify and live into their strengths What the 6 Needs of Every Child are and how they feather with the Enneagram Co-parenting to meet the needs of your children with balance Tune in for some great parenting insights on connecting with your children.
S3 E40 · Thu, April 30, 2020
Dave Hollis on Growth and Fulfillment with the Enneagram
Author of Get Out of Your Own Way: A Skeptic’s Guide to Growth and Fulfillment , Dave Hollis joins me to talk honestly about the lies human beings tell themselves and how those lies feather with the Enneagram. Together, we review the most common lies people tell themselves, offer tips for neutralizing those lies, and discuss the importance of rewriting our stories to become the best, truest version of our selves. Dave Hollis is one half of the dynamic, powerhouse duo that is Rachel and Dave Hollis. The former Disney distribution chief, responsible for the relaunch of the Star Wars franchise, the Avengers series, and mega-hits like Frozen and Beauty and the Beast, left his prestigious post at Disney to lead The Hollis Company alongside wife Rachel Hollis. Their work exists to afford people the opportunity to change their lives and comes in the form of live events, film and television projects, top-rated podcasts, product lines at retail, digital education and more. For a chance to win a copy of Dave Hollis’ new book, subscribe to my email list here .
S3 E39 · Thu, April 23, 2020
Dr. Russell Moore on the Enneagram and Morality
This week Dr. Russell Moore joins Ian Cron for a rich discussion on morality and authenticity. Dr. Moore is president of the Ethics & Religious Liberty Commission of the Southern Baptist Convention, the moral and public policy agency of the nations’ largest Protestant denomination. He is an ethicist, theologian, award-winning writer, and head of the moral and public policy agency of the SBC. The Wall Street Journal has called Moore “vigorous, cheerful and fiercely articulate.” He’s also the author of several books. In this episode we talk about: How the Enneagram helps him in his work What is his current existential angst Ways he reconciles his world when he feels misunderstood
S3 E38 · Fri, April 17, 2020
Enneagram as a Tool for Families with Justice Skinner (Enneagram 6)
The Enneagram is a great tool for integration for yourself, but I’d like to encourage you to think of it as a tool that can really impact family dynamics, including strengthening your relationships with your children. When families integrate the Enneagram into their daily lives, not only do parents begin to better understand and distinguish the needs of their children, but children can also learn to recognize their own needs as well as the needs of their siblings. Having this level of understanding creates so much room for empathy and grace for each other. One of the questions I hear most often as it relates to the Enneagram and families is, “How old should my child be before they start learning the Enneagram?” And though I’m not prepared to provide a specific age, I do think it’s important to explore the Enneagram as a tool for young people. So, today, I’m excited to share with you my conversation with our youngest guest ever…Justice Skinner. Justice is the eldest son of our very own, Anthony Skinner, and happens to be an Enneagram Six. This interview is full of wisdom and clarity for Enneagram Sixes of all ages. I hope it also gives you a glimpse into the way the Enneagram can operate in a family-system. P.S. Looking for tips on parenting with the Enneagram? Subscribe to my YouTube channel to catch my next series on Enneagram and Parenting beginning April 27th.
S3 E37 · Thu, April 09, 2020
Author Brian McLaren on Internal Friendship (Enneagram 4)
Today on Typology, I’m thrilled to welcome author Brian McLaren. Brian is an author, speaker, activist and theologian. A former college English teacher and pastor, he is a passionate advocate for “a new kind of Christianity” – just, generous, and working with people of all faiths for the common good. Brian is a faculty member of The Living School , which is part of the Center for Action and Contemplation, and he co-leads the Common Good Messaging Team, which is part of Vote Common Good . He is also an Auburn Senior Fellow and a leader in the Convergence Network , through which he has developed an innovative training/mentoring program for pastors, church planters, and lay leaders called Convergence Leadership Project. His most recent projects include an illustrated children's book (for all ages) called Cory and the Seventh Story and The Galapagos Islands: A Spiritual Journey. And he’s currently working on Faith After Doubt (Spring 2021) and Do I Stay Christian? (Spring ‘22 In today’s episode, Brian discusses how the Enneagram has: helped him understand the ways that he sabotages himself Allowed him to have grace and appreciation for each of his children Given him permission to become a friend to himself You’ll also hear how Fours can use their gifts to find their way out of the tunnel at the end of the light.
S3 E36 · Thu, April 02, 2020
ABC News' Paula Faris and the Typing Interview Process
The Enneagram is complicated and nuanced, but human beings are infinitely more complex than the Enneagram. And today’s episode proves just that. Our guest, ABC News correspondent, Paula Faris, exudes a lot of energy from a few different Enneagram types. Listen as Ian walks Paula through the Typing Interview Process to help her tease out the types she most strongly resonates with, then offers some “homework” for really unearthing her type on her own. Paula Faris is a senior national correspondent at ABC News and host of the popular podcast Journeys of Faith with Paula Faris, which gives an intimate look at how some of the world’s most influential people lean on faith and spirituality in the best and worst of times. An Emmy Award-winning journalist, Paula previously was co-anchor of the Good Morning America weekend edition, as well as a co-host of The View.
S3 E35 · Thu, March 26, 2020
Part 2: Pastor Louie Giglio's Insights for an Enneagram 3
This week we continue our conversation with author, speaker, and pastor Louie Giglio. Louie is the Pastor of Passion City Church and the original visionary of the Passion movement, which exists to call a generation to leverage their lives for the fame of Jesus. He and his wife Shelley lead the teams at Passion City Church, sixstepsrecords, Passion Publishing and the Passion Global Institute. Louie is the national-bestselling author of Not Forsaken, Goliath Must Fall, The Comeback , and several others . In Part Two, Pastor Louie gets vulnerable and shares his story of healing as an Enneagram Three. Today we cover: How to recognize when you’re heading into dangerous territory for yourself What it’s like when an Enneagram 3 hits their wall Tune in as we continue to reflect on the inner story of an Enneagram Three.
S3 E34 · Thu, March 19, 2020
Pastor Louie Giglio: New Insights for an Enneagram 3 [S03-034]
I'm thrilled to welcome Pastor Louie Giglio to the Typology Studio. Louie is the Pastor of Passion City Church and the original visionary of the Passion movement, which exists to call a generation to leverage their lives for the fame of Jesus. He and his wife Shelley lead the teams at Passion City Church, sixstepsrecords, Passion Publishing and the Passion Global Institute. Louie is also the national-bestselling author of Not Forsaken, Goliath Must Fall, The Comeback , and several others . Louie just recently learned his Enneagram type, so this week we address his questions and reflect on the inner workings of an Enneagram Three. In Part One, we touch on: How to determine your dominant wing Using the Enneagram as a “lane detection system” Balancing the task list with true self-reflection And don’t miss next week as we take an even deeper dive into the world and the redemption of those who identify as an Enneagram Three.
S3 E33 · Thu, March 12, 2020
Anne Bogel: How an Enneagram 9 Gets Decisive
What happens when an Enneagram 9 stops overthinking and starts making decisions? Enneagram Nines have an incredible ability to see all sides of any given circumstance, but that commitment to find the best option consumes an enormous amount of mental energy and can leave them exhausted and stuck. However, when Nines learn to stop overthinking they can start spending more time on things that matter and that bring more peace, love and joy into their lives. Today’s guest, author Anne Bogel, gets to the heart of decision-making as an Enneagram Nine and shares what perfectionism-driven overthinking looks like and suggests a few disciplines that Nines can use to get out of analysis paralysis. Anne Bogel is the author of Reading People and I’d Rather Be Reading and creator of the blog Modern Mrs. Darcy and the podcasts What Should I Read Next? and Óne Great Book . She’s been featured in O, the Oprah Magazine, Real Simple, Bustle, Refinery, The Washington Post and more. Bogel’s popular book lists and reading guides have established her as a tastemaker among readers, authors, and publishers. Her latest book, Don’t Overthink It offers practical strategies on replacing negative thoughts with positive thought patterns that will make an immediate and lasting difference in how you deal with questions both big and small.
S3 E32 · Thu, March 05, 2020
Mailbag Thursday: An Enneagram Q&A with Ian Cron
We received such a great response from all of you after our first “Mailbag Thursday,” that we’re doing it again. Today, Anthony pulls a few more audience questions from the bag for Ian to answer. Topics covered include: Whether trauma in adulthood can lead to type repression What the countertype 4 really looks like Resources on how different types process grief Tune in to hear what Ian has to say about these topics plus a few more. And for a chance to have your questions answered on-air, leave us a comment on social OR submit your questions right here .
S3 E31 · Thu, February 27, 2020
Hip Hop Artist PROPAGANDA reflects on the Enneagram 3
I’m thrilled to welcome today’s Typology guest, PROPAGANDA. Prop is a Christian Hip Hop and spoken word artist/poet, political activist, husband, father, academic, emcee, and an Enneagram Three. He and his wife, University Professor Dr. Alma Zaragoza-Petty, also host a podcast together called The Red Couch Podcast where they cover everything from pop culture to important social issues – all with the unique perspective, insight and wit only they can bring. In this episode, we have a candid conversation about how the Enneagram has helped him identify his interior struggles and what “doing his work” looks like. You’ll learn: What Prop loves about being a Three What triggered Prop to start “doing his work” Specific rituals Prop practices to keep him in the moment For more information on PROPAGANDA, visit https://prophiphop.com or follow him on social @prophiphop.
S3 E30 · Thu, February 20, 2020
Jill Phillips on the resilience of the Enneagram 6 [S03-030]
This week on Typology, I’m excited to welcome my friend, Jill Phillips. Jill is a singer, songwriter and therapist based in Nashville who has been immersed in the Enneagram for some time now. She has a lot of wisdom to share, especially as it relates to the nuances of being a Six. Today we’ll touch on: Enneagram stances and how they impact the lens through which each type views the world Ways the Enneagram integrates with other things, such as therapy or recovery The Enneagram Six’s defense mechanisms for managing fear and anxiety Tune in to this great episode.
S3 E29 · Thu, February 13, 2020
Part 2: Author Jennie Allen on Toxic Thoughts and the Enneagram (Enneagram 7)
We all walk around thinking toxic thoughts but just because we think something doesn’t make it true. Our thoughts are charged with emotions and energy, but they are not our enemies. If you treat them as though there is some kind of demonic force inside your head, you’re actually investing them with power they do not have. They are not in charge of us. We are in charge of our thoughts and we have the ability to change our own narrative. In Part Two of my interview with Jennie Allen, we examine the toxic thoughts of an Enneagram Seven and how important it is for all of us to not give our thoughts too much power.
S3 E28 · Thu, February 06, 2020
Part 1: Author Jennie Allen on Toxic Thoughts and the Enneagram (Enneagram 7) [S03-028]
This week on Typology, I’m excited to welcome author, Jennie Allen. Jennie is the founder and visionary behind IF:Gathering, an organization that equips women with gospel-centered resources, events, and community so they may learn more about who God is and disciple others. A sought-after speaker, Allen has taught at Women of Faith, Catalyst, and Q conferences. She is the author of several books, including Restless, Anything, and Nothing to Prove, and her latest book, Get Out of Your Head: Stopping the Spiral of Toxic Thoughts, just released on January 28th. In part 1 of this 2-part episode, Jennie and I talk about how understanding her own strengths and weaknesses as an Enneagram Seven has played a pivotal role in learning to trust others in leading her organization while allowing her to lean into her own gifts to find happiness and success in both her professional and personal life.
S3 E27 · Thu, January 30, 2020
Part 2: Former Governor Bill Haslam on how to live and lead as an Enneagram 3
Each Enneagram Type is beautiful and in its healthy expression is truly fantastic. When Threes are healthy, they no longer find it important to credentialize their achievements, they become more community-minded and interested in helping others succeed. In Part Two of my conversation with former Governor of Tennessee, Bill Haslam, we continue our discussion on the dangers Enneagram Threes face when they over-identify with the role they play in their job and allow perception to matter more than reality.
S3 E26 · Thu, January 23, 2020
Former Governor Bill Haslam: How to Live and Lead as an Enneagram 3
This week on Typology, I’m excited to welcome my friend and former Governor of Tennessee, Bill Haslam. Bill began his career in business joining his father, Jim Haslam, who was the founder of the petroleum company Pilot Corporation. He was the CEO of the E-commerce and Catalog Division for Saks Fifth Avenue from 1999 to 2001, Mayor of Knoxville, TN from 2003-2010, and is co-owner of the Tennessee Smokies Minor League Baseball Team. He also happens to be an Enneagram Three. In part one of this two-part episode, Bill and I talk about what it’s like to live and lead as an Enneagram Three.
S3 E24 · Thu, January 16, 2020
Author Lisa-Jo Baker Sets Boundaries as an Enneagram Two
This week on Typology, I’m excited to welcome Lisa-Jo Baker, a former attorney and longtime Community Manager at (in)courage, podcast host, best-selling author of The Middle Matters, Never Unfriended and Surprised by Motherhood. She’s also an Enneagram Two. At their best, Enneagram Twos truly radiate the unconditional, altruistic love of God. They just sort of signal love out into the world in a way that no other type can. But they also have a hard time being able to stop meeting the needs of others which can empty their tanks and lead to resentment. Today, Lisa-Jo shares what has changed for her at mid-life, what led her to embrace the superpowers and the kryptonite of an Enneagram Two, and how she knows when it’s time for her to refuel.
S3 E24 · Thu, January 09, 2020
Mailbag Thursday: An Enneagram Q&A
We love providing you with new content and great guests each week. But, as you might imagine, the interviews often spark a lot of questions from our listeners. In fact, we receive tons of questions every single day. So, today we’re diving into 2020 with something we’ve been talking about for quite a while...we'll be reading and answering some of your questions on the air. We’re super excited to finally roll out our first “Mailbag Thursday,” and we hope you are too. Keep those questions rolling in and maybe we’ll answer your question on the next Mailbag Thursday. Thanks for listening!
S3 E23 · Thu, January 02, 2020
Betsy Miller on Accepting Fear and Anxiety (Enneagram 6)
Happy New Year! This week on Typology, I’m thrilled to welcome my friend, Betsy Miller. Betsy is the Director of Finance for Storybrand and also serves as the chairman of the Board of Directors for RESCUE: Freedom International, an organization that is a leading force in the rescue and restoration of survivors of human trafficking. Betsy and I take a look into the mind of an Enneagram Six, or The Loyalist. Enneagram Sixes tend to doubt the commitment of others, have difficulty making decisions without outside input, and always consider the worst-case scenario. Tune in as we explore the Loyalists' basic fear and provide some great tips to help Sixes learn to accept anxiety and doubt on their journey toward health.
S3 E22 · Thu, December 26, 2019
Life, Family and the Enneagram with the Crons (REPLAY)
The Enneagram allows us to build and sustain healthy relationships by appreciating and understanding our own motivations and behaviors as well as those of our friends and family. In today’s episode, the Cron family gathers over the holidays to discuss how the Enneagram has helped them grow closer and better understand each other. Listen as they share how their family finds balance and appreciation among each other.
S3 E21 · Thu, December 19, 2019
REPLAY: Holiday Gift Ideas for each Enneagram Type
This week we’re taking a break to enjoy the holidays with our friends and families. So, we're replaying last year’s episode where we give suggestions for the perfect Christmas gift for each Enneagram type. We wish you a fabulous couple of weeks and we’ll kick off 2020 with some great new interviews. Happy Holidays!
S3 E20 · Thu, December 12, 2019
Part 2: Amanda Cook on the Sacred Rhythm of an Enneagram Five
This week I continue my insightful conversation with singer-songwriter, Amanda Cook. Amanda is a worship leader at Bethel Church and with Bethel Music, GMA Dove Award Winner for Inspirational Album of the Year, and winner of three Covenant Awards from GMA Canada, including Female Vocalist of the Year, Song of the Year, and Praise and Worship Song of the Year for You Make Me Brave . In this episode, Amanda and I explain: the gift and grip of grief the Fives’ defense mechanism of isolation the importance of staying present in the moment This conversation brings so much light and clarity to the construction of the Enneagram Five’s personality. You don’t want to miss it.
S3 E19 · Thu, December 05, 2019
Amanda Cook on the Sacred Rhythm of an Enneagram 5 [S03-019]
This week on Typology, I welcome a very special Enneagram Five who has done her work and beautifully wraps her words around her experience as a Five. Our guest, Amanda Lindsey Cook is a singer-songwriter, worship leader at Bethel Church and with Bethel Music, GMA Dove Award Winner for Inspirational Album of the Year, and winner of three Covenant Awards from GMA Canada, including Female Vocalist of the Year, Song of the Year, and Praise and Worship Song of the Year for You Make Me Brave . In this episode, Amanda Cook: Shares how music helps her connect with her feelings Describes the important practice of embodiment Reveals the sacred rhythm of an Enneagram Five Our conversation was so rich, we made this a two-part episode. So, tune in next week as we continue our dive into the attic of Amanda’s mind. And to add to this amazing episode, I’m super excited to announce that Anthony and I are taking Typology on the road. I’ll be hosting the first-ever LIVE recording of Typology at the Balboa Theater in San Diego on March 21st. I’ll share more details in the upcoming weeks but in the meantime, mark your calendars for the ticket pre-sale opening next Wednesday at 12:00 pm Central Time. Stay tuned on TypologyPodcast.com or on Instagram, Facebook or Twitter.
S3 E18 · Wed, November 27, 2019
Part 2: John Mark Comer on Focusing his Attention (Enneagram 1)
In Part two of my conversation with John Mark Comer—author, speaker, pastor, and Enneagram One—we continue our discussion about the Enneagram and why it’s so important to eliminate hurry from our lives. When you think about it, when you feel listened to and attended to, you feel loved by a person. But when we rush from one thing to another, we are unable to focus our attention on those we love most and our relationships are negatively impacted. If instead, we learn to live in a different space than hurry, the love, peace, and serenity we’re really after will follow.
S3 E17 · Thu, November 21, 2019
Part 1: John Mark Comer on Focusing His Attention (Enneagram One)
What do you pay attention to? When each of us walks into a room, the focus of our attention is different. An Enneagram Two might look for who they can connect with, an Enneagram Four might focus on what’s missing in the room, and an Enneagram One might notice what needs to be fixed. But who is that Two not connecting with? What is in the room that the Four is not appreciating? And what is right in the room that the One doesn’t need to fix? Today on Typology, I begin my conversation with John Mark Comer —author, speaker, pastor, and an Enneagram One—about the importance of “paying attention to what is” and how the Enneagram has taught him to stop and ask the right questions in order to grow and mature throughout his own spiritual journey. And don't miss next week, when we continue our conversation in Part Two!
S3 E16 · Thu, November 14, 2019
Al Andrews on Facing Your Sorrows with the Enneagram (Enneagram 2)
This week on Typology, I’m excited to welcome my friend, Al Andrews. Al is not only a great counselor, author, and speaker, but he is also the director of Porter’s Call, a non-profit offering counsel, support and encouragement to recording artists and their families. Al gives voice to what it’s like to be a healthy two and how important it is for each of us to face our sorrows in order to heal from our brokenness. We also touch on: What makes a truly great helper The superpower of a Two The dark side of a Two And you’ll also hear some great self-awareness questions for Twos to ask themselves on their journey toward health.
S3 E15 · Thu, November 07, 2019
Andrew Peterson and the true gifts of an Enneagram 4
This week on Typology, I’m excited to welcome my good friend, Andrew Peterson— award-winning singer-songwriter and author. His newest book, Adorning the Dark, just released on October 15, and his 20th Anniversary Behold the Lamb of God Tour is going on now through the end of December. As two Enneagram Fours, Andrew and I get personal about the strengths and weaknesses of our type and how it has impacted our lives over the years. In this episode, you’ll hear about the Enneagram Four’s: True gifts to the world Inner critic and how it plays out in daily life Characteristic traits and what to watch out for You’ll also learn an important tip of what NOT to do when a four is melancholic. It will change how you approach the fours in your life.
S3 E14 · Thu, October 31, 2019
The Enneagram Made Simple with Don Miller (Enneagram 3)
This week on Typology, I’m thrilled to welcome my good friend, Donald Miller— best-selling author of Building a StoryBrand, creator of the brand new Business Made Simple University, and Enneagram Type 3. Don and I have talked about the Enneagram before—mostly from a business perspective. But in this episode, I invited him to get personal and vulnerable, and he graciously obliged. Learn how self-awareness helped Don move from: Insecure to confident Feeling like an outsider to knowing he’s accepted “Unreal” to “real” Living from a victim mentality to owning his own success and happiness You’ll also get to hear about his powerful formula for interrupting self-limiting thoughts (You’ll want to apply it to your own life today! ) and I reveal a massive mistake people make along their journey to self-awareness. I hope you’ll listen in. P.S. At the start of the episode, Don mentions that when he finds a particularly helpful book, he immediately goes looking for an online course. As a visual learner, experiencing the content through videos helps him better integrate what he’s learned. If that sounds familiar, Enneagram Made Simple is perfect for you! And here’s an amazing bonus: When you buy Enneagram Made Simple, you get ongoing access to Business Made Simple University—an online learning platform Don and his team at StoryBrand have just launched to help you develop yourself both personally and professionally— all for just $275/year. I’m genuinely excited for you to join me on this journey. Let’s figure out this thing called life—together.
S3 E12 · Thu, October 17, 2019
Part 2, Rev. Becca Stevens on Resisting the Enneagram
This week Ian welcomes back Becca Stevens--author, priest, and founder/president of Thistle Farms. Last week, they began to explore Becca’s resistance to the Enneagram. But today, Ian walks Becca through the process of discovering her Enneagram type. This episode is full of great insights for anyone looking to figure out their type. So, regardless of where you are in the process, what type you are, what type your friends are or your spouse is, you're going to find a lot of really helpful information by the end of the show.
S3 E13 · Thu, October 17, 2019
Mark Batterson on the Blessings of the Enneagram (Enneagram 3)
This week on Typology, I’m excited to welcome my friend, Mark Batterson —author of 17 books including The New York Times bestseller The Circle Maker, founder and lead pastor of National Community Church, and an Enneagram 3. In this episode, I invite Mark to get personal about his ministry and his marriage. Learn what the Enneagram taught Mark about: "Performing" grace The cure for the fear of failure How we identify and connect with others when we revealing our own challenges and struggles At the end, I also share a few growth tips for threes and Mark talks about his new book, Double Blessing: How to Receive It. How to Give It .
S3 E11 · Thu, October 10, 2019
Part 1, Reverend Becca Stevens on Resisting the Enneagram
Not everyone will rush toward the Enneagram with enthusiasm. In fact, afraid of being labeled, some people can be really resistant to exploring the Enneagram at all. And that's the case with today's guest. In part one of this two-part series, Ian invites one of his favorite people, Reverend Becca Stevens, into the studio to talk about how the experience of trauma impacts personality, to discuss her resistance to the Enneagram, and to begin to explore which Enneagram type she resonates with. And don’t forget to tune in next week as the conversation gets a bit deeper and we start to land on her type. Becca Stevens is an author, a priest, and the founder and president of Thistle Farms, a global community of survivors of trafficking and addiction that includes justice enterprises. For her work as an entrepreneur and justice advocate, Becca has been named a White House Champion of Change, a CNN Hero, and holds numerous honorary doctorates. She has been featured on The Today Show, ABC World News, NPR and the New York Times. Her most recent book, Love Heals, was published by Harper Collins. Visit beccastevens.org and thistlefarms.org for further info. Thank you to our sponsors HempFusion , BetterHelp , and Restoring the Soul .
S3 E10 · Thu, October 03, 2019
Molly Fletcher on the Enneagram as a Game-Changer (Enneagram 3)
We live in a world where productivity is a huge emphasis on the lives of lots of people. But as productivity guru, Mike Hyatt advocates, the point of productivity isn't to get more done, it's actually to get more done efficiently so you have more margin to do the things that are more life-giving and make you a more whole person. As children, Enneagram Threes pick up the message that they are only loved for what they do and how well they do it. In turn, Threes often tend to be competitive, success-oriented, multi-tasking machines who have difficulty slowing down. But what happens when Threes learn to trust that if they just stop working and stop moving that everything will still be taken care of? Today’s guest, trailblazer Molly Fletcher, explains how her strengths as an Enneagram Three--drive to succeed, ability to connect with others, skilled multi-tasker--not only helped her thrive as one of the first female sports agents, but also became a liability until she learned how to slow down, relax, and be more intentional about turning it off. Molly Fletcher is a trailblazer in every sense of the word--a rare talent of business wisdom, relationship brilliance, and unwavering optimism. A popular keynote speaker, she shares the unconventional techniques that helped her thrive as one of the first female sports agents in the high stakes, big ego world of professional sports and now a successful entrepreneur. Formerly, as president of client representation for sports and entertainment agency CSE, Molly spent two decades as one of the world’s only female sports agents. She was hailed as the “female Jerry Maguire” by CNN as she recruited and represented hundreds of sport’s biggest names, including Hall of Fame pitcher John Smoltz, PGA TOUR golfer Matt Kuchar, broadcaster Erin Andrews, and basketball championship coaches Tom Izzo and Doc Rivers. As she successfully negotiated over $500 million in contracts and built lasting relationships, she also observed and adopted the traits of those at the top of their game. Molly shares her proven approach to negotiating in her company’s Game Changer Negotiation Training workshops, teaching people how to close more deals faster, while strengthening the relationship. Molly has been featured in ESPN, Fast Company, Forbes and Sports Illustrated. A sought after motivational speaker, she delivers game-changing messages to top companies, trade associations, and teams worldwide. Molly is the author of four books: Fearless At Work; A Winner’s Guide to Negotiating; The Business of Being the Best; and The 5 Best Tools to Find Your Dream Career. Molly currently serves as a National Trustee member for the Boys & Girls Clubs of America and on the board of directors for the Intercollegiate Tennis Association (ITA) and the national advisory board for the
S3 E9 · Thu, September 26, 2019
Jon and Tristen Collins on the Enneagram and Why Emotions Matter (Enneagram 5 and 2)
Each Enneagram type approaches feelings from a different angle. Some types can be really in touch with their feelings, while others seem out of touch with their feelings. On today’s episode, our guests Jon and Tristen Collins join Ian to talk about “Why Emotions Matter.” As an Enneagram 5 and an Enneagram 2, you can imagine this married couple couldn’t be more opposite when it comes to their emotions. Tune in as Jon and Tristen explain how the Enneagram has helped them integrate the Enneagram Five’s tendency to keep their feelings to themselves and the Enneagram Two’s outward capacity for empathy and caring to build a stronger marriage and improve their relationships with others. Love this week’s episode? Share Jon and Tristen’s episode on Instagram, Facebook or Twitter and be entered to win a copy of Jon and Tristen’s new book, “Why Emotions Matter.” About Jon and Tristen: Jon Collins is a writer and creative director for The Bible Project. He has a BA in Biblical Studies from Multnomah University. Jon is affectionately known by the team as the Architect of Ideas. He is a master of making complex ideas simple and has spent the last decade founding and leading digital media and marketing companies. Jonathan Collins | @jonpdx Tristen Collins is a professional counselor with a focus on trauma recovery. She has 13 years of professional experience. Tristen teaches classes at Multnomah University in the graduate Counseling Department as adjunct faculty. She earned a Bachelor’s of Science in Bible & Theology from Multnomah University & a Master’s in Counseling from George Fox University. Tristen lives in Portland, Oregon with her husband, Jon , and their two young boys.
S3 E8 · Thu, September 19, 2019
Enneagram and Coffee with Sarajane Case (Enneagram 7)
If you had to boil it down, Enneagram Sevens have an underlying fear that when it comes to pain and suffering, they will be unsupported. But in order to satisfy their unmet longing for completeness, for solidness, for wholeness, Sevens need to be able to stick with their sadness and discomfort long enough to work through it with others to foster the types of relationships that stand the test of time. On today’s episode, Founder of Enneagram and Coffee, Sarajane Case, opens up about how the Enneagram has helped her navigate the joys and sorrows of life, release the grip on her high-vibration lifestyle, and enabled her to sit in the truth that she is not a solo traveler on life’s journey. Sarajane Case is the Founder of 'Enneagram & Coffee' Instagram account & Podcast. A writer, coach, and speaker based in Asheville, NC, Sarajane works with enneagram to teach self-love as well as to aid entrepreneurs in building a business that is not only profitable but enjoyable!
S3 E7 · Thu, September 12, 2019
Allison Fallon on Articulating Your Inner Landscape with the Enneagram (Enneagram 4)
Enneagram Fours have a unique awareness of their feelings and are highly attuned to their environment. Their gift of connecting deeply with others allows them to see the beauty in all things and to give language to experiences for which others can’t seem to find the words. Today’s guest, author Allison Fallon shares how merging the Enneagram with writing has not only helped her heal but has also helped so many others articulate their own internal landscape. Allison Fallon is a speaker, coach and author of 10 book, including her memoir Packing Light: Thoughts on Living Life with Less Baggage. Over the past 10 years, she has not only written prolifically, but has coached hundreds of authors to complete their creative projects through her in-person writing workshops, online courses and one-on-one support. She’s been featured on Huffington Post, RELEVANT magazine, and Donald Miller’s Storyline blog. Allison lives in Nashville, Tennessee.
S3 E6 · Thu, September 05, 2019
Knox and Jamie on Pop Culture and the Personality (Enneagram 5 and 7)
Our guests today are hilarious, smart and up on the Enneagram. Cohosts of the popular Popcast , Knox McCoy and Jamie Golden join Ian in a conversation about self-awareness, the dynamics of working together as an Enneagram 5 and 7, and how pop culture and personality play into each other. Knox McCoy loves laughing and making people laugh. Really anything that’s laughter-adjacent, he’s into. He’s also super into the word “swashbuckling” and his dream is to one day use it in a bio. Knox began podcasting in 2011 as a way to talk more about popular culture, and to his extreme surprise, he’s still doing it every week on The Popcast with Knox and Jamie. Knox lives with his wife and three kids in Birmingham, Alabama, where he works as a screenwriter and as the swashbuckling cofounder of The Popcast Media Group. Knox enjoys movies, football, food, and sleep and prefers them to all be in very close proximity to each other. One time, he saw Common at the airport and talked to him briefly. It was pretty sweet. Jamie B. Golden has been co-hosting The Popcast with Knox and Jamie since August 2013. It is a nationally ranked, weekly pop culture podcast that’s part deep dive, mostly shallow end. Jamie and Knox also launched their newest podcast, The Bible Binge, in February 2018. Seasons 1, 2, 4, and 4 of The Bible Binge wrapped in the top 3% of all podcasts. Jamie has presented at TEDx, Mom 2.0, Dreamcatchers Conference, Southern Social Summit, See Jane Write, Permanency Conference and will be presenting at Alt Summit in March 2019. Jamie makes her home in Birmingham, Alabama, where she teaches monthly at Church of the Highlands and advocates for foster and adopted children serving as a volunteer for Heart Gallery Alabama. Jamie enjoys good movies, even better TV, and Chris Pine represented in both. One time, she was hit by a naked drunk driver on the way home from a Walking Dead party. It was pretty sweet.
S3 E5 · Thu, August 29, 2019
Part 2, Mike Pacchione on Public Speaking and the Enneagram [S03-005]
Last week, speaking coach Mike Pacchione walked through the speaking, or the communication styles, of the first three Enneagram types and how each type can leverage their gift and what to watch out for. Tune in today for part 2, as Mike and Ian cover how to tap into the strengths and avoid the pitfalls for types four through nine. And, don’t forget to download Mike’s tips for public speaking by Enneagram type. Just click below for your PDF of the key points for each of the nine types. DOWNLOAD THE ENNEAGRAM AND PUBLIC SPEAKING PDF About Mike Pacchione Since 2012, Mike has taught public speaking to nearly 10,000 people across the globe. (Yes, he gives presentations about presentations. It’s very meta.) His favorite thing in the world is helping someone with great ideas make those ideas come alive on stage. (Cue name-dropping) To that end, he’s helped Olympians such as Scott Hamilton, executives such as Donald Miller, Ryan Delk and Rachel Rodgers, online entrepreneurs such as Pat Flynn and Amy Porterfield, best-selling authors such as James Clear, and let’s not forget our dear friend Ian Cron. Mike also serves as the speaking coach for ConvertKit’s annual Craft + Commerce conference. While Mike is not at liberty to name the remainder of his clients, suffice it to say that if you have used a computer, credit card or search engine today, you’ve been in contact with one of his past clients. On a personal note: In 2016, he and his wife began helping a Congolese refugee family transition to life in the United States. It is some of his best and most challenging work. Ever think of how to explain voicemail to someone who’s never used a phone before? Neither had he. Drop him a line at mike@miketalks.co . If you’d like to see pictures of speakers (sometimes), him sometimes), his family (sometimes) and his dog (often), follow @mpacc on Instagram.
S3 E4 · Thu, August 22, 2019
Mike Pacchione on Public Speaking and the Enneagram (Enneagram 9)
Have you ever thought about what makes a great speech or presentation? Whether you’re speaking to thousands this weekend, you're speaking to the Rotary Club, or you just want to be a better communicator in the workplace, your Enneagram type has a specific communication style that plays a part in your effectiveness or lack of effectiveness. So how do you tap into those strengths and avoid the pitfalls? Our guest today, speaking coach Mike Pacchione walks us through the speaking, or the communication styles, of all nine types and how each of those nine types can leverage their gift and shares some of the things to watch out for. Mike’s also put together his great tips for public speaking by Enneagram type. Just click below to review the key points for each of the nine types. THE ENNEAGRAM AND PUBLIC SPEAKING PDF DOWNLOAD NOW About Mike Pacchione Since 2012, Mike has taught public speaking to nearly 10,000 people across the globe. (Yes, he gives presentations about presentations. It’s very meta.) His favorite thing in the world is helping someone with great ideas make those ideas come alive on stage. (Cue name-dropping) To that end, he’s helped Olympians such as Scott Hamilton, executives such as Donald Miller, Ryan Delk and Rachel Rodgers, online entrepreneurs such as Pat Flynn and Amy Porterfield, best-selling authors such as James Clear, and let’s not forget our dear friend Ian Cron. Mike also serves as the speaking coach for ConvertKit’s annual Craft + Commerce conference. While Mike is not at liberty to name the remainder of his clients, suffice it to say that if you have used a computer, credit card or search engine today, you’ve been in contact with one of his past clients. On a personal note: In 2016, he and his wife began helping a Congolese refugee family transition to life in the United States. It is some of his best and most challenging work. Ever think of how to explain voicemail to someone who’s never used a phone before? Neither had he. Drop him a line at mike@miketalks.co . If you’d like to see pictures of speakers (sometimes), him sometimes), his family (sometimes) and his dog (often), follow @ mpacc on Instagram.
S3 E3 · Thu, August 15, 2019
Best of Season 2: Challenging Your Narrative with Ryan Stevenson
Though we can’t manufacture great conversations here on Typology, every now and then we do get to experience something deeply vulnerable and truly magical as we did in this episode with singer/songwriter, Ryan Stevenson. On this episode, we really tackle the concept of owning your own narrative and challenge whether the interpretations of your own story are in fact true. And if they’re not, the Enneagram can help provide you with some clarity about the story you’re living in right now. So, tune in as we celebrate the end of Season 2 with a replay of one of our favorite episodes. Then stick around through the end for a special treat as we share the new single, “Keep the Faith,” from our very own, Anthony Skinner’s new EP dropping today. For more information about Anthony and his latest projects, you can check out his website or find him on Twitter , Instagram and Facebook . To get your copy of his new single, just click here .
S3 E2 · Thu, August 08, 2019
Best of Season 2: Instincts and Subtypes with Aaron Niequist
With so many of our listeners asking about subtypes on a daily basis, we thought we'd celebrate the end of Season 2 with this replay of Aaron Niequist and Ian discussing instincts and subtypes and using them as another way to help hone in on your Enneagram type. Aaron Niequist has served as a leader at some of the most influential churches in the country. In 2014, he launched a neo-liturgical, ecumenical, practice-based service at Willow Creek in Chicago. He also created a series of liturgical recordings called A New Liturgy to help people create holy space wherever they find themselves. Niequist and his wife, bestselling author Shauna Niequist, live in the suburbs of Chicago with their two sons. For more information, visit aaronniequist.com and anewliturgy.com.
S3 E1 · Thu, August 01, 2019
Dr. Richard Lindroth, Developing Your Emotional Side as an Enneagram Five
Others often perceive the interior world of the Enneagram Five, or The Observer, as mysterious. Known to use the pursuit of knowledge as a defense against a world that seems unpredictable, The Observer can appear to not have or be in touch with their emotions. This is simply not the case. In fact, The Observer is one of the most misunderstood Enneagram type in terms of emotions and relationships. Enneagram Fives can actually have very intense emotions, but they just may not express them. Listen as our guest, Dr. Richard Lindroth takes us into the interior world of The Observer. He shows us how deeply attuned to beauty and transcendence he is, how he strives to overcome being emotionally distant from himself, and how he’s waking up to the emotional as well as the spiritual components of life.
S2 E52 · Thu, July 25, 2019
Part 2 of Johnnyswim: The Enneagram and Abner (Type 7) and Manager Jay King (Type 4)
In part two of our interview with JOHNNYSWIM, Abner and Amanda’s manager Jay King joins the conversation and shares how the Enneagram has impacted their personal and working relationship. ABOUT JOHNNYSWIM As a unit, they face life’s ups, downs, highs, lows, trials, tribulations, tragedies, triumphs, and everything in between. They change, learn, and grow as one. However, Los Angeles band JOHNNYSWIM doesn’t just seem like a family; it is a family. At the core, husband-and-wife— Abner Ramirez and Amanda Sudano —translate the memories, moments, and milestones on their journey into spirited, slick, and soulful anthems steeped in singer-songwriter tradition, yet amplified by alternative experimentation, rock energy, and pop ambition. The music moves as the couple’s life does, scrapbooking unforgettable experiences in melody like an eternal keepsake of their relationship. In early 2017, JOHNNYSWIM commenced work on ideas for what would become their 2019 third full-length, Moonlight [Britannia Row Recordings/BMG]. Amidst a series of professional changes and Amanda’s pregnancy with their second child, they kick-started the next chapter." ABOUT MANAGER JASON “JAY” KING Jason “Jay” King is the founder and owner of World Citizen Media and a twenty-year veteran of the music industry. He manages Los Angeles based duo JOHNNYSWIM, Propaganda, and Pop writer/artist TRELLA. World Citizen’s core mission is to help BUILD, LAUNCH, and ACCELERATE meaningful projects, with strong foundations, that contribute good back into the world. Jay’s background includes working with renowned artists including Platinum-selling hip-hop group GRITS, 4th Avenue Jones, Hillsong United, Grammy award winner Israel Houghton, All Sons & Daughters, Fonzworth Bentley, Daniel Bashta, John Mark McMillan, Rhett Walker Band, and more. He has also worked alongside brands such as Tumi Luggage, Macy’s, Fiat, General Motors, Southwest Airlines, St. Jude, and more in order to bring campaigns for his clients to life. He held the title of VP of A&R positions for both Gotee Records (Universal Music Group) and Integrity Music (Sony BMG) before establishing World Citizen Media.
S2 E51 · Thu, July 18, 2019
Part 1 of Johnnyswim: The Enneagram and Abner (Type 7) and Amanda (Type 9)
What does it sound like when an Enneagram 7 (The Enthusiast) feels safe enough to reveal his true vulnerability? Tune in as Johnnyswim’s Abner and Amanda explore their deeper side and talk with Ian about how the Enneagram has played a role in their relationship and their band. This interview was so great we made it a two-part series, so don’t miss next week, when their manager Jay King jumps into the conversation as well. They'll open up about how the Enneagram has helped them in their personal relationship and their working relationship.
S2 E50 · Thu, July 11, 2019
Carey Nieuwhof on the Enneagram and Self-Leadership, part 2 (Enneagram 8)
Last week we began our conversation on self-leadership with former lawyer and founding pastor of Connexus Church, Carey Nieuwhof. In part two, Carey and Ian continue their discussion with tips on how leaders can manage anxiety and avoid burnout. Carey Nieuwhof is a former lawyer and founding pastor of Connexus Church. He’s the author of several best-selling books, including his latest, Didn’t See It Coming , and speaks to leaders around the world about leadership, change and personal growth. The Carey Nieuwhof Leadership Podcast and Carey’s blog at www.CareyNieuwhof.com are accessed by millions of leaders each year.
S2 E49 · Wed, July 03, 2019
Seven Core Challenges to Leadership, feat. Carey Nieuwhof (Enneagram 8)
How can leaders understand themselves and the world in which they live so they can be optimal in their various roles? One of the first steps is to strengthen self-leadership because you can’t successfully lead others unless you can first lead yourself. In this two-part episode, former lawyer and founding pastor of Connexus Church, Carey Nieuwhof reveals the seven core challenges to leadership and how approaching these challenges through the lens of the Enneagram can help close the gap between who you are and how powerfully you lead your team. Carey Nieuwhof is a former lawyer and founding pastor of Connexus Church. He’s the author of several best-selling books, including his latest, Didn’t See It Coming , and speaks to leaders around the world about leadership, change and personal growth. The Carey Nieuwhof Leadership Podcast and Carey’s blog at www.CareyNieuwhof.com are accessed by millions of leaders each year.
S2 E48 · Thu, June 27, 2019
There's Power in Peace, feat. Lysa Terkeurst (Enneagram 9)
Enneagram Nines, or The Peacemakers, are adaptable, caring, supportive, and easygoing. Their "go with the flow" attitude acts as the manifestation of their need for internal and external peace at all times. To keep this peace, Nines often over-accommodate others in a unconscious effort to avoid conflict, and end up "falling asleep" to their own needs. But today, Lysa Terkeurst, #1 New York Times bestselling author and Enneagram Nine, explains why it's important for The Peacemaker not to confuse the desire for peace with the disease to please.
S2 E47 · Thu, June 20, 2019
Leveraging Differences to Motivate Your Team with the Enneagram, feat. Boosterthon's Chris Carneal and Stan Holcombe (Enneagram 7 and 6)
Chris Carneal, founder and CEO of Boosterthon (Enneagram 7) plans for adventure while his CFO, Stan Holcombe (Enneagram 6) plans for dis-adventure. So how have these two leveraged their differences to balance each other and grow their company 800% over the past eight years? They invest in the culture of their company. Today, Chris and Stan join Ian to talk about how helping their team understand each other and creating a culture where self-awareness and self-knowledge are held up as values allow them to appreciate and bring out all the positive attributes of each individual while exponentially growing their business.
S2 E46 · Thu, June 13, 2019
Michael Hyatt, Your Leadership Mentor and the Enneagram (Enneagram 3)
How do you measure success? What does it look like and feel like? Often, we measure success by how we appear to others or by the things we accomplish. But for Enneagram Three, Michael Hyatt, success is defined as freedom – the freedom to focus, the freedom to be fully present, and the freedom to be spontaneous. Sounds great, right? But, how do we get there? The first step is to develop self-awareness and self-care as a leadership discipline. Oftentimes leaders and entrepreneurs are so wired for productivity that they don’t stop to create a margin for self-reflection and self-care that leads to freedom. On today’s episode, Ian invites Michael Hyatt, best-selling Author and founder/CEO of Micheal Hyatt & Company, to share his tips for success and finding the balance between productivity and freedom.
S2 E45 · Thu, June 06, 2019
Summer Vacation and the Enneagram with Ian Morgan Cron
Have you ever stopped to think about your travel personality? Or how the ideal vacation for your Enneagram type may be different than others? We all look for different things when choosing our next vacation…and even the planning process can greatly vary. With summer approaching and travel on our minds, we asked ourselves ‘what would be the best vacation for each Enneagram type?’ So, Typology producer Anthony Skinner and Ian Morgan Cron popped into the studio to share some great vacation suggestions for your type as well as a few tips of things to be mindful of while on vacation.
S2 E44 · Thu, May 30, 2019
Balancing Your Centers of Intelligence, feat. Beatrice Chestnut
One of the elements about the Enneagram that makes it different than other typologies is the principles behind working with Centers of Intelligence. The three centers of intelligence are the head, heart, and body. Each Enneagram type uses all three centers but approaches the world from one center more than the other two. Where people often get in trouble is when they over-privilege or overuse one of those centers or even perhaps put down other centers, acting out of balance rather than consciously drawing on all three centers, especially in terms of how they work best and in the right situations, using the right center and the right function for the right purposes. Today, Enneagram expert Beatrice Chestnut and I introduce the Centers of Intelligence and talk about ways we can learn to bring them into balance. Beatrice has taught at Northwestern University and was trained in group facilitation at Stanford University’s Graduate School of Business. She served as President of the International Enneagram Association from 2006-2007 and teaches workshops on the Enneagram internationally, focusing on using it as a tool for leadership development and personal transformation.
S2 E43 · Thu, May 23, 2019
Moving Toward Wholeness, part 2 feat. Drew and Ellie Holcomb (Enneagram 8 and 7)
Drew and Ellie Holcomb return this week for part two of our two-part series. Today, Drew shares how he has learned to let go of his need to be in charge and is learning to lead from the heart, and Ellie gives us insight into what makes her feel really alive. Drew and Ellie Holcomb are a husband and wife Americana duo from Nashville, TN. Shortly after their marriage in 2006, the couple began touring together with Drew Holcomb and The Neighbors. The band has supported many national touring acts including Ryan Adams, The Avett Brothers, Don Henley, and Willie Nelson. Ellie is no longer a touring member of "The Neighbors," and has found success in a solo career as a Christian singer/songwriter. Her albums As Sure As The Sun and Red Sea Road have both topped the iTunes Christian chart. Drew Holcomb still tours nationally with Drew Holcomb and The Neighbors and their most recent album, Souvenir, is their most critically acclaimed release yet. An Evening with Drew and Ellie Holcomb is a special engagement event, allowing The Holcombs to collaborate once again.
S2 E42 · Thu, May 16, 2019
Moving Toward Wholeness, feat. Drew and Ellie Holcomb (Enneagram 8 and 7)
Enneagram Eights and Enneagram Sevens make a high-energy couple. Both types are strong-willed, independent, love adventure, and find happiness in the moment. But Eights and Sevens manage their feelings in different ways. Eights embrace a challenge and express anger easily which can clash with a Seven’s tendency to avoid difficult or painful feelings by reframing things into a positive light. As you’ll hear in today’s episode, Drew and Ellie Holcomb describe how the Enneagram has shifted their marriage by guiding them toward self-reflection, providing them with practical ways to navigate their feelings, and creating a shared understanding of how they each process pain.
S2 E41 · Thu, May 09, 2019
BONUS REPLAY: Beatrice Chestnut, An Enneagram Two’s Journey Toward Finding Real Love
In today’s episode, we share a big announcement then replay Ian’s interview with renowned Enneagram teacher, author, consultant, and Enneagram Two, Dr. Beatrice Chestnut Ph.D. A student of the Enneagram system of personality since 1990, she is the author of Ian’s all-time favorite Enneagram book, The Complete Enneagram: 27 Paths to Greater Self-Knowledge. Enneagram Twos are far more complicated than they appear at first glance. Who better to describe what it’s like to be a Helper than a Black-belt Enneagram expert and teacher. Beatrice was so good we decided to record two shows with her! Whether you’re a Two or not, this show contains so much insight into the Enneagram it will blow your mind! Beatrice has taught at Northwestern University and was trained in group facilitation at Stanford University’s Graduate School of Business. She served as President of the International Enneagram Association from 2006-2007 and teaches workshops on the Enneagram internationally, focusing on using it as a tool for leadership development and personal transformation. Books and Resources for Enneagram Twos: Boundaries: When to Say Yes, When to Say No-To Take Control of Your Life, Dr. Henry Cloud How to Love (Mindful Essentials), Thich Nhat Hanh
S2 E40 · Thu, May 02, 2019
Trusting Your Gut as an Enneagram Two, feat. J.J. Peterson (Enneagram Two)
What do you need in a relationship? When it comes to relationships, how do you interact with and love other people? It’s often in our most intimate relationships that our most true self shows up and we realize that our view of the world is not necessarily the same as others. That’s where the Enneagram comes in. The Enneagram helps us understand ourselves better, provides a platform for understanding our partners, and teaches us how to walk more healthily in relationships. In today’s episode, J.J. Peterson processes past relationships with Ian and reminds us all that it’s healthy to trust our gut and acknowledge our own needs. J.J. Peterson has been many things in his life. From a missionary kid who grew up in Africa to working in production on the Blossom Reunion Special, J.J.’s life has never been dull. Currently, he is a speaker and author who splits his time between Los Angeles and New York. He has a hunger for helping people understand the story of God and what part people play in that story. He has traveled the world, working in Africa, Europe, Asia, South America, and the US, sharing the gospel story through pastoral training, preaching and even touring as an improv comic. He is a filmmaker, a storyteller, and passionate about all things art. J.J. has studied CS Lewis in Oxford, debated theology with filmmakers at the Sundance Film Festival, directed a documentary, had small parts in various television shows and film, but his favorite thing is being called Uncle J.J. J.J.'s focus is on helping people walk out their faith in meaningful and life-giving ways. J.J. has spoken to people all over the world for audiences of 15 to 15,000, sharing his own story and the story of God. His humor and life experience help people understand grace and love in new ways. He can design a talk specifically for your community. Areas of passion include grace, theology and the arts, walking the path of a gay Christian, and God's love. J.J.'s experience and education allow him to come alongside you or your organization to help share your story on a broader scale. He offers two types of consulting. The first is for aspiring authors who are looking to write a book and the second is for organizations who wish to expand their reach. J.J. is an author and blogger. Currently, he is part of the blogging community at Storyline and just completed his first book. He occasionally posts musings on this site's Blog page. Contact him about writing for your organization.
S2 E39 · Thu, April 25, 2019
Transforming Relationships with the Enneagram, feat. Jeremy and Audrey Roloff
How does the Enneagram affect how you communicate with your spouse? Each Enneagram type has a different communication style which impacts the power dynamic in every relationship – whether that’s a relationship with a coworker, a friend, or a spouse. The Enneagram helps us understand where others are coming from and creates space for appreciating and negotiating our differences. In today’s episode, former co-stars of Little People, Big World, and founders of Beating 50 Percent, Jeremy and Audrey Roloff join Ian on Typology to discuss the ways the Enneagram has shaped how they manage stress, helped them communicate better in their marriage, and transformed their relationship. Jeremy Roloff grew up on a 110-acre farm in Helvetia, Oregon, alongside his twin brother and two younger siblings. Jeremy helps his parents, who are both dwarfs, run Roloff Farm’s pumpkin patch, which brings in tens of thousands of visitors from around the world every weekend in October. Jeremy has a degree in professional photography, and is the co-founder of Beating50Percent.com, a marriage ministry on a mission to revive covenant marriages. The couple also hosts the top-rated Behind the Scenes podcast. Jeremy grew up filming for a reality television show called Little People, Big World, which has been following his family since he was twelve years old. He is a 9 on the Enneagram, dad to Ember, loves old cars, and will never pass up an evening by the campfire. Audrey Roloff is passionate about motivating women to always believe in the more that is within them through Christ. She spreads this mission through her devotionals, Always More clothing line, and blogs on life, faith, marriage and motherhood. Audrey is the co-founder of beating50percent.com , a marriage ministry, with her husband Jeremy. The couple also hosts the top-rated Behind the Scenes podcast. Audrey was the captain of the Oregon State Cross Country and Track team where she earned a degree in Marketing and Entrepreneurship. She’s an 8 on the enneagram, mom to Ember, drinks her coffee beige, loves all things floral and the Pacific Northwest.
S2 E38 · Thu, April 18, 2019
Balancing Intellect with Emotion, feat. Dan Haseltine (Enneagram 5)
Enneagram Fives, or the Observers, operate from a withdrawing stance and value their privacy. Their unconscious strategy consists of collecting knowledge and information to defend against what feels like an overwhelming, unpredictable, chaotic world. They build walls around themselves and retreat into their mental realm for a lot of internal processing. And though they may appear detached there is actually a lot of vulnerability beneath the surface. The challenge for a Five is to not over-rely on their intellect but rather learn to connect with the heart by bringing their feeling up to the same level of their intellect. In today’s episode, songwriter, author, and activist, Dan Haseltine opens up to Ian and shows us how the powerful intellect of an Enneagram 5 can successfully blend with their connection to the emotional space. Dan is a songwriter, founder, author, speaker, advocate; He is best known as lead vocalist for Christian alternative folk rock group Jars of Clay . Haseltine has performed vocals, piano, accordion, percussion and most recently, melodica, while with Jars of Clay. He has had different artistic titles, including songwriter, producer, film composer, music supervisor, and art designer. Haseltine is also the founder of the non-profit organization, Blood:Water Mission , where he currently sits as part of the board of directors. He is a regular writer and speaker about worship music , HIV/AIDS in Africa, social justice and church reform. Haseltine is also a regular columnist for Relevant Magazine , and has contributed articles to Moody , CCM Magazine , Christianity Today , World Vision , Campus Life and Beliefnet . [2] Founded by the multi-platinum, GRAMMY Award-winning band, Jars of Clay and activist Jena Lee Nardella, Blood:Water began as a call to personalize the HIV/AIDS crisis in Africa. Blood: Water is an agency that partners with Africa grassroots organizations to address the water and HIV/AID crises. They provide technical, financial, and organizational support to strengthen their reach and effectiveness to the communities they serve. He is married to Katie Haseltine and together they have two children, Noah and Max.
S2 E37 · Thu, April 11, 2019
Facing Anxiety and Depression with the Enneagram, feat. Scott Sauls (Enneagram 3)
Often when we approach the Enneagram we tend to think that everybody can fit neatly into one category. But the Enneagram is more like a color wheel than it is a set of boxes around a circle. There are shades as you go around the spectrum. Each of us is different than the people around us. So, the more we come to know ourselves, to accept our own uniqueness and brokenness, the more we can begin to understand others. In fact, each Enneagram type can actually help balance each other. And when we learn to speak into each other’s lives with a scalpel rather than a dagger, with the posture of gentleness, we can even correct each other’s excesses in a way that’s whole-making. In today’s episode, senior pastor of Christ Presbyterian Church in Nashville, Scott Sauls, discusses the role the Enneagram has played through his seasons of anxiety and depression, and how others have helped keep him in balance.
S2 E36 · Thu, April 04, 2019
The Enneagram and The Next Right Thing, feat. Emily P. Freeman (Enneagram 4)
How does your Enneagram type affect your decision making? Each Enneagram type has different motivations and makes decisions in different ways. So, when faced with making a decision, sometimes we need to go against the grain of how we normally do things in order to figure out what is the next right thing. In today’s episode, author Emily P. Freeman joins Ian to offer recommendations on decision making based on each Enneagram Type and the Centers of Intelligence.
S2 E35 · Wed, March 27, 2019
Addiction and Recovery with the Enneagram, feat. Nate Larkin and David Hampton
What are you addicted to? I don’t believe there is one person on this planet who isn’t addicted to something. And when I say addiction, I don’t necessarily mean addiction to substances. Addiction is a compulsion to continue doing something despite harmful consequences. And if we look at addiction through the lens of the Enneagram, we can view the passion of each Enneagram type as an addiction. The Enneagram helps bring to awareness what these unconscious addictions and compulsions are so we can start to unwind the influence and power they have over our lives. In other words, we can move into recovery from the worst side of our type. So, in today’s episode, we talk about each Enneagram type’s compulsion and what recovery (or sobriety) for that type looks like.
S2 E34 · Thu, March 21, 2019
Top 25 Enneagram Resources
The Enneagram is a transformational tool for self-awareness and self-knowledge. It helps uncover the most unconscious parts of who we are. But how? Once you identify your Enneagram type, what’s the next step? On today’s episode of Typology, Ian shares his top 25 Enneagram resources for discovering the why behind what you do and taking the next steps toward becoming your authentic self.
S2 E33 · Thu, March 14, 2019
Honoring Our Differences, feat. Rabbi Evan Moffic (Enneagram 3)
How do we use the Enneagram to honor our differences? First, we have to be willing to look at our own story and bravely explore our own dark side. One of the beauties of the Enneagram is that it helps us become more self-aware, to own our dark side, and to begin to live with more compassion and appreciation for difference. When we truly understand the Enneagram we see that one type is not better than another. Each type is different and that difference enriches us. But if we’re afraid to look into our shadow side, our dark side, the shadow side of us can take forms of discrimination, and we're all guilty of it in one way or another. In today’s show, we invited Rabbi Evan Moffic to join us again to talk about how a lack of appreciation of differences, or even indifference, can foster an environment of antisemitism and discrimination of all types, and what we can do to begin to unwind or reverse the momentum of antisemitism and all forms of discrimination. About Rabbi Evan Moffic Rabbi Evan Moffic is a renowned author and Jewish scholar. He’s a high honors graduate of Stanford University and the youngest rabbi of a major congregation in the United States. He is an Enneagram three, AKA the performer, and loves and uses the Enneagram to support his own journey toward personal transformation, and as a tool in his work with other people, as well.
S2 E32 · Thu, March 07, 2019
Is Your Story True? Exploring Narrative through the Enneagram
Have you ever stopped to ask yourself, “What if the story I tell myself and others about who I am and who I'm becoming isn't true?” As children, we all construct stories, or narratives, to help make sense of our environment. These childhood interpretations set in motion the patterns of behavior that shape our personality…or how we show up for life. But, when you can understand the false story around which you have organized your life, then you can begin to play with that story a bit to find your true story. And, though you can’t change the facts of what has happened in your life, you can change the way you interpret them. The truth is, that if you want to experience enduring transformation, you have to discover your false story, decouple yourself from it and begin to live the truth of your new story. In today’s episode, we’ll walk through the false “stories” that each Enneagram type needs to let go of in order to allow your true self to emerge.
S2 E31 · Thu, February 28, 2019
Part 2: How the Enneagram Impacts Emotional Intelligence and Leadership, with Scott Allender
Last week, Scott and Ian talked about how the Enneagram can help you in the workplace. This week, they continue the conversation highlighting the way the Enneagram feeds emotional intelligence, fosters empathy and compassion, increases productivity, and ultimately leads to better bottom line results and a happier place to work. About Scott Allender: Scott is a seasoned executive with expertise in global people leadership and organizational development. He is the co-creator and custodian of a multiple-award-winning Leadership Development Program and has built a broad curriculum of custom people-development workshops and initiatives that improve organizational performance by helping everyone to become the best versions of themselves. Scott is currently the Senior Vice President of Talent Strategy & Development at Warner Music Group, overseeing learning and development around the globe, and travels extensively facilitating development workshops. For the past 3 years, Scott has also worked as a part-time organizational consultant for Church of the City here in Tennessee, and occasionally donates his time as a leadership consultant for ‘America’s Kids Belong’ -- a wonderful Nonprofit Organization working to end the foster care and adoption crisis in the U.S. Scott is a Myers Briggs and Hogan practitioner, an Emotional Intelligence Coach, and holds multiple Senior HR Certifications.
S2 E30 · Thu, February 21, 2019
How the Enneagram Impacts Emotional Intelligence and Leadership, with Scott Allender [S02-030]
How can the Enneagram help you in the workplace? How does knowing a person’s personality style help you in leadership development? In today’s episode, Scott Allender, Senior Vice President of Talent Strategy & Development at Warner Music Group, shares how he has used the Enneagram in team building and leadership development. He explains how the Enneagram helps provide insight into how the different people on your team function in the workplace, how you can support them in different phases in their career, why it’s important to understand how different people see the world, and how their particular personality style affects their decision making and affects their analysis. About Scott Allender: Scott is a seasoned executive with expertise in global people leadership and organizational development. He is the co-creator and custodian of a multiple-award-winning Leadership Development Program, and has built a broad curriculum of custom people-development workshops and initiatives that improve organizational performance by helping everyone to become the best versions of themselves. Scott is currently the Senior Vice President of Talent Strategy & Development at Warner Music Group, overseeing learning and development around the globe, and travels extensively facilitating development workshops. For the past 3 years, Scott has also worked as a part-time organizational consultant for Church of the City here in Tennessee, and occassionally donates his time as a leadership consultant for ‘America’s Kids Belong’ -- a wonderful Nonprofit Organiation working to end the foster care and adoption crisis in the U.S. Scott is a Myers Briggs and Hogan practitioner, an Emotional Intelligence Coach, and holds multiple Senior HR Certifications.
S2 E29 · Thu, February 14, 2019
What's Your Stance? Part 2, feat. Amy Grant (Enneagram 9)
In Part 2 of our conversation with singer/songwriter Amy Grant, we continue to explore stances to hone in on whether or not she’s actually an Enneagram Nine. Discussing the differences between types in the gut triad and how they each relate to anger and focusing on a few key instinctual responses helps Amy find her type. Listen through to the end as Amy shares a special song with us before her interview ends. About Amy Grant Amy Grant has built a long, successful career on music that matters. Ever since she burst on the scene as a fresh-faced teenager bringing contemporary Christian music to the forefront of American culture, the Nashville native gained a reputation for creating potent songs that examined life’s complexities with an open heart and keen eye. She became the first artist in Christian music to have a platinum record and went on to become a crossover sensation, her musical gifts transcending genre boundaries to make her a household name. She’s earned six Grammy Awards and numerous Gospel Music Association Dove Awards as well as three multi-platinum albums, six platinum albums and four gold albums. She’s achieved 10 Top 40 pop singles and placed 17 hits on the Top 40 Adult Contemporary chart as well as scoring numerous hits on the contemporary Christian charts. A longtime and active Nashville resident, Grant is as well known for her philanthropy as her music. She and husband, Vince Gill, are tireless in their efforts to aid worthy causes.
S2 E28 · Thu, February 07, 2019
What's Your Stance? feat. Amy Grant, part 1 of 2
The Enneagram is by far the most effective tool for deepening self-knowledge, sharpening self-awareness, and improving relationships. It helps to identify your unique personality and guides you toward living as your authentic self. But what if you’re stuck and haven’t yet figured out your type? Today’s guest, singer/songwriter Amy Grant struggled to find her type too. So, we tackled the struggle from a different angle…using stances. In fact, one of the quickest ways to identify your Enneagram type is to first look at the different social styles, or stances, of the types rather than focus on each type individually. The social styles of the nine Enneagram types are divided into three stances: assertive, compliant, and withdrawn. Stances refer to the basic posture of each type and how they move in the world. The Assertive Stance (Types 3, 7, 8) moves against others and takes action to get their needs met. The Compliant Stance (Types 1, 2, 6) moves toward others to meet their needs externally. While the Withdrawing Stance (Types 4, 5, 9) moves away from others by turning inward to find fulfillment. So, if you’re struggling to find your type, ask yourself, “Do I move toward others, with others, or away from others?” About Amy Grant: Amy Grant has built a long, successful career on music that matters. Ever since she burst on the scene as a fresh-faced teenager bringing contemporary Christian music to the forefront of American culture, the Nashville native gained a reputation for creating potent songs that examined life’s complexities with an open heart and keen eye. She became the first artist in Christian music to have a platinum record and went on to become a crossover sensation, her musical gifts transcending genre boundaries to make her a household name. She’s earned six Grammy Awards and numerous Gospel Music Association Dove Awards as well as three multi-platinum albums, six platinum albums and four gold albums. She’s achieved 10 Top 40 pop singles and placed 17 hits on the Top 40 Adult Contemporary chart as well as scoring numerous hits on the contemporary Christian charts. A longtime and active Nashville resident, Grant is as well known for her philanthropy as her music. She and husband, Vince Gill, are tireless in their efforts to aid worthy causes.
S2 E27 · Thu, January 31, 2019
Challenging Your Narrative, with Ryan Stevenson
In order to make sense or find meaning in our lives in early childhood, we develop narratives that sort of explain our life experiences. We often choose specific incidents that we string together into the plot we now live. But, have you ever stopped to ask yourself if the story you are living is true? In today’s episode with singer/songwriter Ryan Stevenson, we really tackle the concept of owning your own narrative and challenge whether the interpretations of your own story are in fact true. And if they’re not, the Enneagram can help provide you with some clarity about the story you’re living in right now. We hope this episode encourages you to reflect on your own story. To get started, simply ask yourself: Are my interpretations about who I am and the way the world is true? Is my story helping me simply “survive” life rather than to live it fully? And remember, you have the freedom and the power to change your story. You can revise your interpretations and see your true story through a new lens. About Ryan Stevenson Following a seven-year stint as a paramedic, Pacific Northwest native Ryan Stevenson signed an exclusive agreement with Gotee Records in 2013 after capturing TobyMac’s attention by co-writing the No. 1 and Grammy nominated single “Speak Life," His first recording for the label was the Holding Nothing Back EP in 2013, which garnered the Top 25 single “Holding Nothing Back. This was followed by 2015’s full-length album Fresh Start, which featured the No. 1 radio single “Eye of the Storm”. With three No. 1 singles (two as an artist and one as a co-writer), a GRAMMY® nomination, Billboard Music Award nomination, a Dove Award (2017), ASCAP honors and major tour bills with the likes of TobyMac, MercyMe, Newsboys and Matt Maher, among others, Ryan has already distinguished himself as a rare talent whose unique perspective guides his honest lyrics and sonic sensibilities.
S2 E26 · Thu, January 24, 2019
The Challenger or the Perfectionist? Part 2 of 2 with Kirsten Powers, CNN Political Analyst
In order to truly use the Enneagram to better understand our own personality, it is important to have an understanding of, not just the unconscious motivations, but also the impact that subtypes and wings have on each type. In part two of our conversation with CNN Political Analyst, Kirsten Powers, we dive into the role subtypes and wings play in determining your type. In this episode, you’ll discover: how understanding unconscious motivations can help you find your type. how the finer distinctions of subtypes and wings can make one type look completely different. how friends and family pointing out your blind spots can help on your journey toward transformation. Kirsten Powers currently writes for USA Today, and is an on-air political analyst at CNN. She appears regularly on Anderson Cooper 360, CNN tonight with Don Lemon, and The Lead with Jake Tapper. Before joining CNN, Kirsten worked at Fox News as a political analyst and contributor, where she appeared regularly with Special Report with Bret Baier, Fox News Sunday, the Kelly File, the O'Reilly Factor. Her latest book, The Silencing: How the Left is Killing Free Speech , can be purchased on Amazon and you can find her podcast, co-hosted by Jonathan Merritt at www.thefaithangle.com .
S2 E25 · Thu, January 17, 2019
The Challenger or The Perfectionist? Part 1 of 2 with Kirsten Powers
Let’s face it…there’s a deep complexity to the Enneagram. Yes, for some, it is extremely easy to nail down their type. But for others…well, it’s more complicated. Why? First, everyone exhibits behaviors that look like a particular type. And to make it even more difficult, there are an infinite number of expressions of each type, some of which will look nothing like you on the exterior, but are still a unique variation of that particular type. However, we can’t determine our type by our behaviors. We really have to dig down into what’s driving those behaviors and ask ourselves what is the underlying motivation behind my behavior? When our guest, author and CNN political analyst, Kirsten Powers, reached out about her uncertainty in typing herself as a One or an Eight, we had to help her land on something. Kirsten Powers currently writes for USA today, and is an on-air political analyst at CNN. She appears regularly on Anderson Cooper 360, CNN tonight with Don Lemon, and The Lead with Jake Tapper. Before joining CNN, Kirsten worked at Fox News as a political analyst and contributor, where she appeared regularly with Special Report with Bret Baier, Fox News Sunday, the Kelly File, the O'Reilly Factor. In this episode, you’ll discover: Ways to recognize subtle nuances between Type One and Type Eight How the drive for justice plays out as Type One vs. Type Eight The relational and professional similarities among Type One and Type Eight And don’t miss next week’s episode as we dive into some finer distinctions of the One and Eight.
S2 E24 · Thu, January 10, 2019
Leveraging Your "Weird" for Success, feat. CJ Casciotta (Enneagram 4)
In today’s episode, Enneagram Four and author of “Get Weird: Discover the Surprising Secret to Making a Difference,” CJ Casciotta joins us to talk about becoming more comfortable in your own unique self and how using your innate ability to be creative can lead to success in your personal and professional life. Each of us has our own version of “weird” that is calling to be brought forth into the world. No matter what you sort you gravitate toward, the reason you're here on Earth is to bring something new that wasn't there before. Knowing what makes you weird is the best thing you can offer your art, your business, your friends, your family, and yourself. So, tune in to hear how CJ leverages his weird to not only find success himself but to help others find theirs. About CJ For over 15 years CJ has helped some of the world's biggest brands discover their unique identity and share it creatively including Lululemon , The United Nations , MGM Studios , and Whole Foods . His work has been featured on national media including CBS , MTV , Amazon Prime , and The Huffington Post . Lately, He’s been sharing some of his ideas, speaking at places like TEDx , Saddleback Church , Story Conference , and Charity:Water . For more information on CJ, visit http://getweirdbook.com .
S2 E23 · Thu, January 03, 2019
Finding Beauty in Imperfection, feat. Amy Julia Becker (Enneagram 1)
Enneagram Ones, or the Perfectionists, often have an idealized view of how things should be and constantly strive to improve themselves, others, and the world. With a strong desire to do the right thing and not make mistakes, Ones tend to control feelings that they deem inappropriate to the point that it is difficult for them to access or express negative emotions, such as anger, fear, or even anxiety. But learning to understand that all emotions are actually very human and a part of each of us can be very healing and freeing for a One. On today’s episode, Ian sits down with friend and author, Amy Julia Becker, to talk about how admitting her own needs, and learning to accept herself as beautiful and broken, vulnerable, needy and gifted has been a huge life lesson in perfectionism. About Amy Julia Becker Amy Julia Becker is the author of White Picket Fences: Turning toward Love in a World Divided by Privilege (NavPress, 2018). She is also the author of Small Talk: Learning From My Children About What Matters Most (Zondervan, 2014), A Good and Perfect Gift: Faith, Expectations and a Little Girl Named Penny (Bethany House), named one of the Top Books of 2011 by Publisher’s Weekly, and Penelope Ayers: A Memoir . A graduate of Princeton University and Princeton Theological Seminary, her essays about faith, family, and disability have appeared in the Washington Post, USA Today, Christianity Today, the Christian Century, and online for The New York Times, ABCNews, the Atlantic, Vox, and The Huffington Post. Amy Julia is a member of INK: A Creative Collective . She lives with her husband Peter and three children, Penny, William, and Marilee in western CT.
S2 E22 · Thu, December 27, 2018
Replay: Moving from Happy to Joy, feat. Annie Downs (Enneagram 7)
This week we're taking a break to spend time with our families over the holidays and hope you are doing the same. Enjoy this replay of one of our most downloaded episodes. Annie F. Downs, discusses how she stopped running from pain and is learning to share more of her true self through her own path to transformation.
S2 E21 · Thu, December 20, 2018
Running Your Own Race, part 2, feat. Darren Whitehead (Enneagram 3) [S02-021]
This week Ian continues the conversation with pastor, author, and leader at Church of the City, Darren Whitehead, as he discusses where he gets stuck as an Enneagram 3, why he learned to say no, and how he measures success through spiritual growth rather than statistics. About Darren Whitehead In 2013 with a small team, Darren and Brandy Whitehead founded Church of the City . They had a vision to plant a family of churches that live in the way of Jesus for the renewal of global cities. Every weekend more than 6000 people attend one of five church congregations across Nashville and New York City. Originally from Australia, Darren has lived in the United States for 20 years. He holds both Masters and Doctorate degrees in Ministry, with his dissertation focus on Millennials and the future of the Western church. He recently released his second book, Holy Roar: 7 Words That Will Change The Way You Worship , co-authored with worship leader Chris Tomlin. Darren lives with his wife, Brandy, and their three daughters in Nashville, Tennessee.
S2 E20 · Thu, December 13, 2018
Running Your Own Race, pt. 1, feat. Darren Whitehead (Enneagram 3)
Enneagram Threes, when not self-aware, are plagued with comparison. They compare themselves to other people who seem to be more successful and feel some sense of shame about that. On the flip side, when they look at people who aren't as successful, they can feel a sense of pride. Because unhealthy Threes believe their value comes exclusively from their performance or achievements, they tend to push their accomplishments out in front of people to gain their love and admiration. But when Threes are self-aware they stop projecting an image to please the crowd and instead become more comfortable with their true-self. Healthy Threes make great role models who enjoy motivating others to become successful in their own right. This week we invited pastor, author, and leader at Church of the City, Darren Whitehead, to share how he channels his Enneagram Three gifts of relating to others into his own version of being a successful leader. About Darren Whitehead In 2013 with a small team, Darren and Brandy Whitehead founded Church of the City . They had a vision to plant a family of churches that live in the way of Jesus for the renewal of global cities. Every weekend more than 6000 people attend one of five church congregations across Nashville and New York City. Originally from Australia, Darren has lived in the United States for 20 years. He holds both Masters and Doctorate degrees in Ministry, with his dissertation focus on Millennials and the future of the Western church. He recently released his second book, Holy Roar: 7 Words That Will Change The Way You Worship , co-authored with worship leader Chris Tomlin. Darren lives with his wife, Brandy, and their three daughters in Nashville, Tennessee.
Bonus · Mon, December 10, 2018
Bonus Christmas Episode! Hilarious and Legit Gifts for Every Number (with many surprised guests!)
On this episode, Ian and Anthony drink WAY too much egg nog and start calling unsuspecting (former) friends to ask for the perfect gift for their type!
S2 E18 · Thu, December 06, 2018
Living Awake and Balanced, feat. David Dark and Sarah Masen (Enneagram 9 and 6)
Not only is the Enneagram a great tool for gaining self-knowledge, but it is also a gateway for building strong relationships. When you understand that your way of seeing the world is not the only way to see the world, it creates room for compassion and appreciation toward others. The Enneagram teaches us how to communicate, and in turn, strengthens our relationships with family, friends, and co-workers. This week I invited husband and wife, David Dark (Enneagram 9) and Sarah Masen (Enneagram 6) to join me in a conversation about how the Enneagram has helped them identify the similarities and differences in their personalities and how that knowledge has shaped their marriage. With Enneagram Nines “optimistic to the point of denial” and Enneagram Sixes “realistic to the point of oblivion,” Dark and Masen demonstrate how they try to live in a balanced way that fosters a supportive and secure relationship where they both feel valued. ABOUT DAVID: David Dark is the author of Life's Too Short To Pretend You're Not Religious, The Sacredness of Questioning Everything, Everyday Apocalypse: The Sacred Revealed in Radiohead, The Simpsons, and Other Pop Culture Icons and The Gospel According To America: A Meditation on a God-blessed, Christ-haunted Idea. His work has appeared in MTV News, Books & Culture, Pitchfork, and the Oxford American. Following years of teaching high school English, he received his doctorate in 2011 and now teaches at the Tennessee Prison for Women and Belmont University where he is assistant professor of Religion and the Arts in the College of Theology. ABOUT SARAH: Sarah Masen is an American singer-songwriter originally from the suburbs of Detroit, Michigan. For several years she has lived in Nashville, TN with her husband, author David Dark, and their three children. Originally signed to Charlie Peacock’s “re:think” label, and subsequently to Word Records, she is now independent. Sarah's music has been described as pop alternative and is written from a background featuring influences as varied as Rich Mullins, Keith Green, 10,000 Maniacs, Over The Rhine, Victoria Williams and Julie Miller. Sarah's live performance has elements of the innocent approach of the last two artists, although most of her music comes from more of an intellectual background, discussing life, relationships and faith, in stark contrast with the angst-driven, dark and cynical approach you can find in a lot of the alternative music today.
S2 E17 · Thu, November 29, 2018
Exploring the Shadow with Jonathan Merritt (Enneagram 3)
Whether there’s a three in your life or you are a three yourself, you’re probably aware that threes are not naturally self-reflective. They tend to be externally focused rather than internally focused. The big message that threes receive growing up is that it's not okay to have your own feelings and identity, so they expend a lot of energy creating, projecting and maintaining a false image in order to be admired and accepted. Projecting this false image makes it very challenging for three’s to answer the question, “Who am I behind the mask?” Let’s face it, self-acceptance is difficult for all of us, but it is particularly difficult, for twos, threes and fours in the feeling space. So, I think a very important part of the journey for threes is reclaiming and integrating that splintered child that got thrown into the shadow large pieces of him that need to be owned again. This week, author/writer Jonathan Merritt joins me in a discussion about processing the pain behind the mask and pushing past the lies we tell ourselves in order to move closer to self-acceptance. A contributing writer for The Atlantic and a contributing editor for The Week , Jonathan Merritt is one of America’s most prolific and trusted faith and culture writers. He has published more than 3,000 articles in outlets such as the New York Times, USA Today, National Journal, Christianity Today, Washington Post, and CNN.com and is the author of numerous critically acclaimed books including Jesus is Better Than You Imagined. Jonathan holds graduate degrees from Southeastern Baptist Theological Seminary and Emory University’s Candler School of Theology. He resides in Brooklyn, NY.
S2 E16 · Thu, November 15, 2018
Courage in Vulnerability, feat. Chris Cruz (Enneagram 8)
Eights are motivated by a powerful need to be strong and, when unhealthy, can have a hard time lowering their guard in fear of appearing weak or vulnerable. Healthy Eights understand that there is strength and power in vulnerability. Yes, it takes courage to risk vulnerability. But if Eights want to love and be loved they will have to risk opening their heart and revealing their innermost feelings to a trusted few. Today, Ian welcomes young adults pastor, Chris Cruz, into a conversation about letting go of the pressure to be strong, choosing mercy over vengeance, and embracing the awkwardness of being vulnerable. About Chris Cruz : Chris Cruz is a husband, father, pastor, speaker and blogger. He serves on the leadership teams at Bethel School of Supernatural Ministry and Tribe Young Adults at Bethel Redding. His role includes preaching, mentoring interns and pastoring students. Chris loves to see the church be a cultural influence for positive change in the world, and he lives to see heaven and earth become one. In his free time, Chris and his wife, Lana, love exploring and experiencing different cultures and cities. Chris is an avid creative, pursuing outlets that vary from graphic design to handmade leather goods. He also has a love for craft coffee and a slight fascination with raw denim. Chris Cruz is the Young Adults Pastor at Bethel. He’s a passionate person, all the way from coffee to life with God. Chris loves teaching leaders and churches the way of Jesus and how it’s leads to heaven overlapping with earth. He worked as a Pastor for seven years at Bethel School of Supernatural Ministry. Chris and his wife Lana live in Redding, CA with their son Solomon and daughter Pearl.
S2 E15 · Thu, November 08, 2018
Part 2: Don Miller on Directing Your New Story (Enneagram 3)
Last week, StoryBrand's Don Miller joined Ian to discuss the importance of directing your own story. Tune in today as the conversation turns toward understanding how each Enneagram type tends to lead and how that can impact the broader culture of a workplace. About Don Miller: Donald Miller is the CEO of StoryBrand, and every year he helps more than 3,000 business leaders clarify their brand message. He is the author of New York Times best-sellers: Blue Like Jazz , Scary Close , and A Million Miles in a Thousand Years , and the #1 Wall Street Journal best-seller, Building a StoryBrand . Don is considered one of the world’s leading experts on the subject of story. His audiences are challenged to lean into their own story, creatively develop and execute the story of their team, and understand the story of their customers so they can serve them with passion. Don’s thoughts on story have deeply influenced leaders and teams for Pantene, Chick-fil-A, Steelcase, Intel, Prime Lending, Zaxby’s, and thousands more. Don lives in Nashville, Tennessee, with his wife, Betsy, and their chocolate lab, Lucy. For more about Donald Miller, check out his website at www.storybrand.com .
S2 E14 · Thu, November 01, 2018
Don Miller on Directing Your New Story (Enneagram 3)
The Enneagram is not just meant to help people understand themselves and then do nothing about it. Rather it is a tool for fostering deep, inner work. In order to make lasting changes in your life, you need to know the story and themes that run beneath the surface. The Enneagram reveals what story you are programmed with and how a self-limiting narrative drives a lot of thoughts, actions, and behaviors. In today's episode, Don Miller and Ian Cron talk about the importance of directing your own story and ask "What story do you want to live? and "What story are you actually living?" About Don Miller Donald Miller is the CEO of StoryBrand, and every year he helps more than 3,000 business leaders clarify their brand message. He is the author of New York Times best-sellers: Blue Like Jazz , Scary Close , and A Million Miles in a Thousand Years , and the #1 Wall Street Journal best-seller, Building a StoryBrand . Don is considered one of the world’s leading experts on the subject of story. His audiences are challenged to lean into their own story, creatively develop and execute the story of their team, and understand the story of their customers so they can serve them with passion. Don’s thoughts on story have deeply influenced leaders and teams for Pantene, Chick-fil-A, Steelcase, Intel, Prime Lending, Zaxby’s, and thousands more. Don lives in Nashville, Tennessee, with his wife, Betsy, and their chocolate lab, Lucy.
S2 E13 · Wed, October 24, 2018
Embracing Wilderlove as an Enneagram Four, feat. John Mark McMillan [S02-013]
One of the gifts of the Enneagram -- the wisdom that we can gain from it -- is self-knowledge. No matter your Enneagram type, self-knowledge can help you dis-identify with those aspects of your personality that put you in an unhealthy place of habitual reactivity. And once you start to observe those unhealthy aspects, and dive into your work, you'll no longer be ruled by your personality. Our guest this week, John Mark McMillan, is a brilliant singer-songwriter, artist. He's a platinum-selling songwriter, and as an Enneagram Four, he joins Ian to discuss his deep connection to his feelings, touches on the Four’s defense mechanism of introjection, and shares a checklist of ways he counteracts when he’s feeling down. About John Mark McMillan John Mark McMillan is something of an anomaly: an artist and Platinum-selling songwriter bending genres and defying categorization by carving out his own unique and independent path. With an ear for melody and a poet’s eye for metaphor, no topic has been off-limits. While each of his albums over the past decade have continued to explore new territory, it’s McMillan’s ability to give lyric and language to the human experience that many consider his greatest gift. McMillan, who has made a career of rejecting easy categorization and challenging expectations, co-founded the independent record label Lionhawk Records with his manager Josh Lujan Loveless in 2015. Mercury & Lightning was the third release from the label followed up in 2018 with The Mercury Sessions and The Lightning Sessions - alternative takes of the records with special guests including Joy Williams and Josh Garrels. McMillan recently remastered and re-released his beloved album The Medicine (10th Anniversary Deluxe Edition) available digitally and vinyl . His first-ever Christmas record Smile In The Mystery comes out Nov. 23.
S2 E12 · Thu, October 18, 2018
Emotional Wellness and the Enneagram, feat. Miles Adcox (Enneagram 3)
Enneagram Threes, or The Achievers, see a world in which people only value others for what they can do versus for who they are. They tend to be driven, task-oriented, visionaries, goal crushers who want to avoid failure at all costs. Threes are very concerned with what other people think of them and are able to look in anybody’s eyes and respond instinctively to whether or not they're being approved or disapproved of in the moment, and then tweaking or projecting a specific image to make sure they stay in approval. But sometimes Threes have a hard time settling in on their type because the underlying motivation doesn’t seem to fit quite right. We’ve talked about subtypes and how they can make a type look and act in three different ways. But, another way we learn about people in their types is through, what are called, Hornevian groups, based on the work of Karen Horney, or stances. What they indicate for us is the social style of each type, or the direction we move in, in relationship to people. There are three styles: the assertive stance, the withdrawing stance, and the earning stance. In today’s episode, Miles Adcox joins Ian to talk about each stance and how knowing your stance can help you find your type. Miles Adcox is an entrepreneur, speaker, host, and coach. He is the Owner and CEO of Onsite, an internationally-known emotional wellness lifestyle brand that delivers life-changing personal growth workshops, inspiring content, leadership retreats, and emotional treatment. He and Onsite have been featured on 20/20, Good Morning America, New York Times, Wall Street Journal, Dr. Phil Show, and The Doctors. He is the founder and co-host of The Unspoken Podcast, the owner of Onsite Music Publishing and founder of Inspire Productions. Miles has created and managed multiple mental health programs, personal growth workshops, and speaks nationally on mental health, emotional wellness and leadership. Miles has been a featured speaker and facilitator at various international events including Random House; O-The Oprah Magazine’s Rising Strong Day with Dr. Brené Brown and TEDx. He has consulted major brands on organizational health and emotional wellness and is a communication, personal growth, and mental health consultant to the entertainment industry. He works with and consults several NGO’s and serves on the board of The Onsite Foundation, C4, Dream 514, and is an advisory board member for Musicians on Call. Miles has currently been selected to take part in the Leadership Music class of 2019.
S2 E11 · Thu, October 11, 2018
Moving from Happy to Joy, feat. Annie F. Downs (Enneagram 7)
Sevens have a core belief that in order for them to be secure, loved and valued they have to bring the energy and excitement into every situation. There’s this expectation and pressure to be on all the time. And though they are generally wired with a great deal of energy, so it does come easily to them, Sevens have a lot more to offer than just their energy and humor. The struggle for a Seven comes when they get trapped in the role of “entertainer” and distract themselves with exciting situations or experiences in an attempt to avoid having hard conversations, painful feelings, and loneliness. The path to transformation for a Seven is to learn how to manifest their joy from a place of abundance, rather than emptiness. Once Sevens learn to notice when they feel the need to escape from the events of life, they can teach themselves to pause and just sit in a feeling without feeling stuck. This week on Typology, Annie F. Downs, discusses how she stopped running from pain and is learning to share more of her true self through her own path to transformation.
S2 E10 · Thu, October 04, 2018
A Thirst for Redemption, feat. Scott Harrison (Enneagram 8w7)
For those of you who are new to the Enneagram and listening, Eights are called the Challengers. Sometimes they're called the Boss. Eights are typically people who are real forces of nature in the world. They live larger than life. The deadly sin or passion of Eights is lust. That doesn't necessarily mean in the sexual sense of the word, although Eights do have a hunger for excess in every area of life. For those of you who don't know, it's a lust for intensity. They just want immediate engagement with other people. They walk in a room and think where's the engagement, where's the juice? They go right to where the energy is and want to either challenge it or engage it or just feed on it. This intensity is easy to spot in an Eight’s concern with justice. Eights are very concerned with standing up for the underdog. They love to defend the defenseless, to be the voice of the voiceless. It gives them great satisfaction to stand in the line of fire for people who are vulnerable. And you’ll hear that in my conversation with today’s guest, Scott Harrison. If you haven’t heard of Scott yet, he spent almost 10 years as a successful nightclub promoter in New York City before leaving to volunteer on a hospital ship off the coast of Liberia, West Africa as a volunteer photojournalist. Returning home to New York City two years later, he founded the non-profit organization charity: water in 2006. Turning his full attention to the global water crisis and the world’s 663 million people without clean water to drink, he created public installations and innovative online fundraising platforms to spread international awareness of the issue. In eleven years, with the help of more than over 1 million donors worldwide, charity: water has raised more than $300 million and funded over 28,000 water projects in 26 countries. When completed, those projects will provide over 8.2 million people with clean, safe drinking water. Scott has recently been recognized in Fortune Magazine’s 40 under 40 list, the Forbes Magazine Impact 30 list and was recently #10 in Fast Company’s 100 Most Creative People in Business issue. He is currently a World Economic Forum Young Global Leader. His new book, Thirst: A Story of Redemption, Compassion, and a Mission to Bring Clean Water to the World (published on October 2, 2018), recounts the twists and turns that built charity: water into one of the most trusted and admired nonprofits in the world. For more information on Scott, visit www.charitywater.org.
S2 E9 · Thu, September 27, 2018
Navigating Friendship with the Enneagram, feat. The Liturgists (Enneagram 5 & 9)
What's your best friend's number? Understanding the Enneagram can profoundly impact how you relate to others and help you build strong friendships. Knowing your friends' number allows you to understand each other's tendencies and creates space for conversation and compassion. Today on Typology, listen as Michael Gungor and Mike McHargue, co-hosts of the wildly popular podcast, The Liturgists, demonstrate the role the Enneagram has played in their friendship. Michael Gungor is one half of Gungor, and is a co-host of The Liturgists Podcast . Michael is a Grammy-nominated musician and composer who lives in Los Angeles, California. He leads the musical collective Gungor with his wife Lisa Gungor and is a co-founder of The Liturgists with Mike McHargue ('Science Mike'). Mike McHargue (better known as Science Mike) is an author, podcaster, and speaker who travels the world helping people understand the science of life's most profound and mundane experiences. His bestselling debut book, Finding God in the Waves, has helped thousands understand faith in the 21st century. Mike's the host of Ask Science Mike , and co-hosts The Liturgists Podcast with his friend Michael Gungor. He's recently appeared before sold-out audiences in New York, Chicago, and London, and is a frequent contributor to RELEVANT magazine, Storyline, BioLogos, and The Washington Post. Mike lives in Los Angles, CA with his wife, Jenny, and two daughters.
S2 E8 · Wed, September 19, 2018
Name It...then Tame It, Part 2, feat. Mark Scandrette
In last week's episode, Mark Scandrette shared some simple steps to help you begin using the Enneagram to move from unconscious to conscious living. In part two, Mark and Ian continue their conversation by discussing the importance of doing work within a community and asking the right questions. Mark Scandrette has written five books on practical spirituality that seek to apply spiritual wisdom to everyday life: FREE, Practicing The Way of Jesus, Soul Graffiti, Belonging and Becoming (Co-authored with Lisa Scandrette) and The Ninefold Path Notebook (with Danielle Welch). He regularly teaches and offers workshops and training events based on themes from these books. Before each book is published he usually spends several years piloting the concepts and processes explored with groups in multiple contexts. He is currently working on his 6th book on self-awareness, personality and transformation. He also speaks nationally and internationally at universities, conferences and churches and offers training to leaders and organizations through workshops, retreats and group intensives. Mark teaches a doctoral course on spiritual formation at Fuller Theological seminary and has taught courses at Pittsburgh Theological Seminary and Church Divinity School of the Pacific. Wherever Mark travels he speaks with the goal of awakening imagination and inviting audiences to take new steps into life and wholeness. For more about Mark, visit www.markscandrette.com .
S2 E7 · Thu, September 13, 2018
Name It...then Tame It, feat. Mark Scandrette, part 1 of 2
Every day listeners email asking, “I know my type, now what?” Well, the truth is that simply knowing your Enneagram type doesn’t change anything in and of itself other than to arm you with a little bit of self-knowledge. Understanding where you go in points of stress and where you go in growth helps explain a lot about why each of us has particular struggles. But to really begin to heal and experience true transformation, we have to be willing to face our shadows because that’s where the distortions of our reality live and multiply. It’s tough to start doing the work but we’re simply not going to grow unless we’re willing to look in the places that are going to create moments of shame and self-reflection that are uncomfortable. But that’s one of the many gifts of the Enneagram. The Enneagram provides us with an opportunity to compassionately look into our shadow…to hold up a mirror to those behaviors that we can change. In today’s episode, Mark Scandrette joins Ian and shares some simple steps you can start using today to help you begin to move from unconscious to conscious living. This episode was so full of great insights that we split it into two parts to help you really absorb the content. Mark Scandrette has written five books on practical spirituality that seek to apply spiritual wisdom to everyday life: FREE, Practicing The Way of Jesus, Soul Graffiti, Belonging and Becoming (Co-authored with Lisa Scandrette) and The Ninefold Path Notebook (with Danielle Welch). He regularly teaches and offers workshops and training events based on themes from these books. Before each book is published he usually spends several years piloting the concepts and processes explored with groups in multiple contexts. He is currently working on a 6th book on self-awareness, personality and transformation. He also speaks nationally and internationally at universities, conferences and churches and offers training to leaders and organizations through workshops, retreats and group intensives. Mark teaches a doctoral course on spiritual formation at Fuller Theological seminary and has taught courses at Pittsburgh Theological Seminary and Church Divinity School of the Pacific. Wherever Mark travels he speaks with the goal of awakening imagination and inviting audiences to take new steps into life and wholeness. For more about Mark, visit www.markscandrette.com .
S2 E6 · Thu, September 06, 2018
We Can Laugh: Life with Dave Barnes (Enneagram 7) [S02-006]
Open to new experiences, Sevens are self-confident, optimistic and joyful people who exude loads of energy. They bring a sense of adventure and energy to their relationships and generally try to avoid negative feelings. But that doesn’t mean that Sevens aren’t emotionally articulate. In fact, as part of the Head Triad, Sevens are very intelligent about a variety of subjects, including emotions. It’s just that it’s not the first thing they want to talk about. In today’s episode, Enneagram 7, Dave Barnes joins us to discuss how integrating the Enneagram into his spiritual development has helped him slow down his internal processor and taught him to keep tabs on whether or not he is staying present in the moment. About Dave Barnes : Dave Barnes is a respected Nashville artist and songwriter who received GRAMMY and CMA nominations for Blake Shelton's recording of his hit song "God Gave Me You." Barnes has also penned songs for Tim McGraw, Thomas Rhett & Maren Morris, Reba McEntire, Marc Broussard, Billy Currington, Hunter Hayes, Matt Wertz, Ben Rector, among many others. Touring extensively over the past 15 years as a headlining artist, he has also opened for Bonnie Raitt, Taylor Swift, John Mayer, Lady Antebellum, Hanson, and One Republic, to name a few. Dave Barnes has recorded three EP’s and ten full-length albums, including his newest project, the LP Who Knew It Would Be So Hard To Be Myself , releasing February 9, 2018. He is also well known for his brand of humor, having sold out several stand-up comedy shows throughout the Southeast. Many of his comedic videos are posted to his YouTube video series.
S2 E5 · Thu, August 30, 2018
The Bible Project, feat. Tim Mackie and Jon Collins (Enneagram 5)
The Enneagram is a great tool for discovering why we feel the way we feel, act the way we act, and think the way we think. For Fives, who are unconsciously motivated by Avarice (or Greed), the Enneagram can help identify when fear begins to take over and they are operating with a perpetual scarcity mentality. On auto-pilot, Fives can be inclined to disassociate and observe from a distance, rather than jumping in and participating in life. In today’s episode, Tim Mackie and Jon Collins from The Bible Project, discuss how the Enneagram has helped them tackle undiscovered territory in their own temperaments and value systems, and how learning to name, pay attention to, and honor these parts of their personality has allowed them to release control of different parts of their lives and receive every part of what each day brings. Tim Mackie is a writer and creative director for The Bible Project. He has a PhD in Semitic Languages and Biblical Studies. He wrote his dissertation on the manuscript history of the book of Ezekiel, with a focus on the Septuagint and Dead Sea Scrolls. What a total nerd! He is a professor at Western Seminary and served as a teaching pastor for many years. Jon Collins is a writer and creative director for The Bible Project. He has a BA in Biblical Studies from Multnomah University (where he met Tim). Jon is affectionately known by the team as the Architect of Ideas. He is a master of making complex ideas simple and has spent the last decade founding and leading digital media and marketing companies. Together, Tim and Jon founded The Bible Project. The Bible Project is a non-profit animation studio that produces short-form, fully animated videos to make the biblical story accessible to everyone, everywhere. They create videos, podcasts, and study guides. To learn more, visit www.thebibleproject.com.
S2 E4 · Thu, August 23, 2018
Trusting Your Self, feat. Jeff Chu (Enneagram 6)
Sixes have excellent analytical minds, are great strategists, troubleshooters, problem-solvers, and of course, see worst-case scenarios that other people don't see. The passion of the Six is fear which is often experienced as anxiety…anxiety that the unexpected could happen at any time. Sixes are really good at playing out all the worst-case scenarios in any given situation. But once they launch a mental narrative in their head of all that could go wrong, these fictional stories can take on lives of their own and can grow and crowd out what’s actually happening. For growth and transformation, Sixes need to learn to acknowledge their fear and doubt, own their own power and authority instead of projecting it onto others, and make a conscious effort to develop trust in others. In today's episode, Jeff Chu joins Ian to talk about embracing his fears by identifying those aspects of his personality that are responses to things he's been through in the past. Jeff Chu is a Brooklyn-based freelance reporter and writer as well as a seminarian at Princeton Theological Seminary. Most recently, he was on staff at Fast Company for almost eight years. During that time, Jeff edited, wrote, and reported on lots of different things. Jeff's reporting and writing have also appeared in a bunch of other places— The New York Times Magazine, Travel+Leisure, the Wall Street Journal, the Washington Post, Modern Farmer. When big publishers were still starting magazines and pouring millions of dollars into them, Jeff was an editor on the launch team of the now-defunct Conde Nast Portfolio. And before that, he spent seven years at Time magazine, where he really received his journalistic education. Jeff was a London-based web producer and staff writer.
S2 E3 · Wed, August 15, 2018
Part 2: Looking into the Shadow...A Hero's Journey, feat. Claire Diaz-Ortiz (Enneagram 3)
When you truly begin doing your work, the Enneagram really should mess with you. It should dis-equilibrate you, throw you back on your heals, make you wonder, "Who am I? Who is everybody else? What am I supposed to do now? This week we're back with part 2 of Claire Diaz-Ortiz's interview revealing how her research into Enneagram Threes has helped her dig beneath the surface and shift her focus towards using the gifts she's developed to lift up others from behind the scenes. Claire Diaz-Ortiz is an author, speaker and Silicon Valley innovator who was an early employee at Twitter. Named one of the 100 Most Creative People in Business by Fast Company, she holds an MBA and other degrees from Stanford and Oxford and has been featured widely in print and broadcast media. She writes a popular business blog at ClaireDiazOrtiz.com and is the award-winning author of eight books that have been published in more than a dozen countries. To learn more about Claire, visit w ww.clairediazortiz.com .
S2 E2 · Thu, August 09, 2018
Instincts and Subtypes with Aaron Niequist
Welcome back to Season 2 of Typology. I'm thrilled to continue Season Two with a really great friend who I've known for many years, Aaron Niequist. Though Aaron is a four on the Enneagram, we're actually going to explore some new territory today. We're going to go into some content that'll be great for every single number to know and learn about. With two fours on the line, I do need to say that because otherwise, everyone will just assume that all we're going to do is talk about ourselves for a long time. Not today. So many of our listeners have asked me to talk about subtypes. Everybody asks, "Can you please say more about subtypes? What are they and how do I determine mine?" Those are great questions actually because there are multiple variations of type. I think what happens with each variation is you get another degree of clarity about the nature of the type itself, it's different flavors and expressions. One of the most important next steps a person can take after they know all the basics is to learn their subtype. If you are somebody who, for example, can't figure out your type, I would steer you toward instincts and subtypes because that's another way of kind of getting at type. So tune in as I break it down for you and Aaron. Aaron Niequist has served as a leader at some of the most influential churches in the country. In 2014, he launched a neo-liturgical, ecumenical, practice-based service at Willow Creek in Chicago. He also created a series of liturgical recordings called A New Liturgy to help people create holy space wherever they find themselves. Niequist and his wife, bestselling author Shauna Niequist, live in the suburbs of Chicago with their two sons. For more information, visit aaronniequist.com and anewliturgy.com.
S2 E1 · Thu, August 02, 2018
Looking into the Shadow...A Hero's Journey with Clarity, feat. Claire Diaz-Ortiz (Enneagram 3)
Claire Diaz-Ortiz first discovered the Enneagram in 2005 and typed herself as an Enneagram One. When Ian first interviewed Claire in Season One, she came onto the show sharing her life through the lens of a One. But the more she and Ian dug into her narrative, the more Ian began to sense there was more to Claire's story. Ian suggested she consider reading up on Enneagram Threes...and she did. Today, Claire returns to reveal how her research into Enneagram Threes has had impacted her and helped her become "quiet enough to listen" so real, deep change can happen. Claire Diaz-Ortiz is an author, speaker and Silicon Valley innovator who was an early employee at Twitter. Named one of the 100 Most Creative People in Business by Fast Company, she holds an MBA and other degrees from Stanford and Oxford and has been featured widely in print and broadcast media. She writes a popular business blog at ClaireDiazOrtiz.com and is the award-winning author of eight books that have been published in more than a dozen countries. To learn more about Claire, visit www.clairediazortiz.com.
S1 E54 · Thu, July 26, 2018
[Revisited] :: Here, Hold My Beer...A Panel of Enneagram Twos
Enneagram Twos are called The Helpers. They are some of the most loving, kind, supportive, upbeat, and—when healthy—genuinely helpful to other people. Their underlying motivation is to feel loved and needed. But sometimes that need to be needed can lead to burn out. In this week’s episode of Typology, we revisit our Panel of Twos who describe what it’s like to view life through the eyes of The Helper. So, tune in and listen as the loud-laughing, contentedly uncool mom of three teenagers, Tia Coffey, Vanderbilt University fundraising specialist and stand-up comic, Geoff Little, and singer-songwriter-author, Andrew Greer join Ian to talk about finding the balance between giving enough and giving to the point of burn out.
S1 E53 · Thu, July 19, 2018
Rob Bell (Enneagram 7), Author, Speaker & Gracious Provocateur, Revisited
Discovering the Enneagram was a game-changer for Rob. His knowledge and enthusiasm for the Enneagram runs deep, and as you’ll discover while we revisit this episode, Rob is an Enneagram "7 with a 7 wing." Check out Rob’s latest book, What Is the Bible? , and visit RobBell.com for speaking dates and other events.
S1 E52 · Thu, July 12, 2018
Science Mike Hacks the Enneagram, Revisited
This week we are revisiting Ian's interview with 'Science Mike' McHargue as he shares his journey through the inner sanctum of an Enneagram Nine and his process of building a healthy connection to anger. To preserve their inner peace and harmony, Nines often deny or simply don't even recognize their anger. Instead, they create an inner boundary to tamp down any feelings or desires that might disturb their calm inner sea. They also establish an external boundary to protect themselves from anything external that might cause inner tumult. This desire for inner and outer peace is so innate that Nines unconsciously absorb other people’s emotional energy. Mike McHargue (better known as Science Mike) is an author, podcaster, and speaker who travels the world helping people understand the science of life's most profound experiences. His bestselling debut book, Finding God in the Waves , has helped thousands understand faith in the 21st century. Mike hosts Ask Science Mike , a weekly question and answer podcast helping hundreds of thousands explore the questions they've always been afraid to ask. He also co-hosts The Liturgists Podcast with his friend Michael Gungor. With over a million downloads per month, The Liturgists Podcast is reshaping how the spiritually homeless and frustrated relate to God. And his bestselling debut book, Finding God in the Waves , has helped thousands understand faith in the 21st century. To learn more about Science Mike, visit www.mikemchargue.com
S1 E51 · Thu, July 05, 2018
[Revisited] Sarah Thebarge, Moving out of fear into love as an Enneagram 6
For the month of July we will be revisiting some of Typology's most downloaded episodes. This week we revisit Ian's interview with Sarah Thebarge. Sarah shares how she approaches the world through the lens of an Enneagram Six. With a strong need for security and consistency, Sixes appreciate order, plans and rules and like the comfort and predictability of laws and guidelines. But their passion is fear, which is often experienced as anxiety. Anxiety is a vague, free-floating sense of apprehension that arises in response to an unknown or potential threat that may never materialize. So, how do Sixes achieve spiritual growth? A lot of Sixes think the answer is bravery, but there’s never enough bravery to fill the bucket of “this is a scary world and I need support.” In today’s episode, Sarah Thebarge shares the difference between bravery and courage and how making that distinction has been helpful for her as an Enneagram Six. Sarah Thebarge is a speaker, blogger, journalist and author of The Invisible Girls , a memoir that weaves her story of nearly dying of breast cancer in her 20’s together with the story of a Somali refugee family she met on a train in Portland, Oregon, as she was recovering from her cancer treatments.
S1 E50 · Thu, June 28, 2018
Bob & Maria Goff, the Beautifully Imperfect Marriage of an Enneagram 9 & 7, Revisited
Today we are revisiting Ian's interview with celebrated Author, Speaker Bob Goff and his wife Maria. Bob is an Enneagram 7 and Maria is a 9. And even though this episode provides a lot of insight into the worldview of a 7 and 9, the show today is really more about marriage and how two very distinct personality types can create a climate in which difference isn't merely tolerated, but rather is celebrated. Now, even if you're not married, you'll still love this episode because it paints a marvelous picture of how two very different Enneagram types, regardless of the kind of relationship they have forged, can come together to form a bond in which the two become more than the sum of their individual parts. It's a great model. Be sure and check out Bob’s newest book, Everybody, Always: Becoming Love in a World Full of Setbacks and Difficult People , and Maria’s book, Love Lives Here . Also, check out Dream Big Framework to learn about Bob’s upcoming workshop.
S1 E49 · Thu, June 21, 2018
Julianne Cusick (Enneagram 1) Finds Her Inner Encourager
As Richard Rohr says, Ones are childlike and full of joy and wonder at the world and creation. But for Ones, that sense of joy has been lost. Instead, they suppress their own feelings and focus on being good and doing what is right. They feel a sense of duty and responsibility and may harbor resentment toward others who don’t see things the right way – their way. But what would it look like if Ones reclaimed their childlike wonder? When Ones move toward health, they begin to let judgments go and become more at ease with imperfection. They begin to truly quiet that inner critic and turn it into an inner encourager. Our guest today, Julianne Cusick, shares how her journey towards self-awareness and self-knowledge as an Enneagram One has allowed her to prioritize relationships over perfection and has given her permission to have fun dancing in the kitchen. Julianne Cusick is a licensed minister and registered psychotherapist whose passion is to fight for the hearts of women silenced by shame and fear related to their husband’s sexual brokenness. Julianne is a 2nd-year graduate student for a Masters in Marriage and Family Therapy at Argosy University, Denver. She thrives on personal and professional growth. A dynamic and engaging communicator, Julianne speaks to Christian organizations, women’s groups, and retreats – all from the voice of hope and her own story of healing and redemption. She is the mother of a high-schooler and young adult son, and enjoys gardening, reading, and spending time with family and friends.
S1 E48 · Thu, June 14, 2018
Surrender and Acceptance, feat. Ashley Cleveland
Every single day I receive multiple emails from listeners saying they are stuck and can’t figure out their Enneagram type. Usually, my first recommendation is to dive into the Subtypes of each number to see if that helps narrow things down. But there is something else to consider…something we have not yet talked about on Typology. Just as the Enneagram is broken into Triads, it is also broken into Stances--the Dependent Stance, the Withdrawing Stance, and the Aggressive Stance. So, if you’re still conflicted, ask yourself which stance are you? Are you someone who is withdrawing? Are you someone who is assertive? Or are you someone who is dependent and more compliant? Because oftentimes when you’re stuck between two or three types they can each feel very different--like they are in conflict with each other. And when those types don’t fall into the same stance category then knowing your "default stance" can really help iron things out. On today’s episode of Typology, Ashley Cleveland and I delve into the stances, right-sizing the personality and how surrender and acceptance are the gateways to everything. It’s a great episode you won’t want to miss. Since her debut on Atlantic Records in 1991, Ashley Cleveland has recorded 9 critically acclaimed albums. She has won three Grammys for Best Rock Gospel Album ( Lesson of Love , 1995; You Are There , 1998; Before the Daylight’s Shot , 2007). She was the first female to be nominated in that category and the only one to win the award three times. She has been nominated for six Dove awards and won twice for compilation records ( Songs from the Loft : Praise and Worship Album of the year; The Jesus Record : Album of the Year). She received her fourth Grammy nomination in 2010 for her disc, God Don’t Never Change , a collection of spirituals in the Best Traditional Gospel Album category. Three of her albums have been on Billboard’s year-end best list ( Big Town , Bus Named Desire , Men and Angels Say ) and she has been nominated twice for a Nashville Music Award ( Lesson Of Love , God Don’t Never Change ) winning for Lesson Of Love . She was named Female Vocalist of the year in 2007 by Christianity Today.net and, in addition to her own recordings, has contributed background vocals on over 300 records over the course of her career. Her 10th album, One More Song , is due for release late in 2017. Ashley is currently the subject of a new documentary from Big Branch productions expected to release in early 2018. The working title is: Who’s The Girl? . Ashley is a writer/essayist and has written a memoir entitled “Little Black Sheep” which was released September 2013 by David C Cook Publishing and she is currently working on two new memoirs. Ashle
S1 E47 · Thu, June 07, 2018
Self to Lose, Self to Find, feat. Marilyn Vancil
Our guest today is an Enneagram professional, spiritual director, coach, facilitator, and author who is passionate about the Enneagram personality model and its value in Christian spiritual transformation. Her workshops and retreats focus on how the Enneagram helps people identify barriers to living out their unique expression and experience as one created in God’s image. This show is packed with great information for those who know your Enneagram type and are interested in learning how to shift your attention and grow in self-awareness. Today, Marilyn Vancil talks about: the focus of attention for each type what to do when you realize you're locked into a habit of attention and how to break it, and how to know when it's time to wake up and develop a spiritual practice Marilyn earned her certification as an Enneagram Professional in the Narrative Tradition through Enneagram Worldwide, and has also taken courses on the Enneagram at Loyola University and the Deep Coaching Institute. She enjoys life in Seattle with her husband, Jeff. For more information about Marilyn, visit www.marilynvancil.com.
S1 E46 · Thu, May 31, 2018
046: Patrick Chappelle
Eights are often called the Challengers, but I like to call them the Protectors or Defenders. Every type has a basic fear and desire coloring the waters of their personality. The basic fear of an Eight is being not in control of their self. The basic desire is to avoid feeling weak or vulnerable. But Eights can often be misinterpreted. Though they can often appear blunt and aggressive, Eights are truly about justice and looking out for their tribe and making sure others feel like they belong. Eights have lots of energy. They are high energy, movement people who like to see things get done. The downside of Eights might be that they are low on the vulnerability side of things. They only trust a small amount of people, and though it may take a lot to get in the trust circle, it doesn't take much for you to get out. It's very hard to get on the list, and then you just have to do one thing and you're off the list. But what does it look like when an Eight has done their work and views life through the healthy lens of an Eight? Listen in as Patrick Chappell discusses various triggers and how he approaches them from the lens of an Eight. Patrick is southern born and bred, having been born in Birmingham and raised in Chattanooga. Patrick earned his degree in Oral Communication and Public Relations from Lipscomb University. He then served as an Admissions Recruiter for the University, traveling the country to bring students to Nashville for a Christian education. He is currently the College and Young Adult Minister at Otter Creek Church in Brentwood, TN. Patrick is passionate about life, spending many hours reading, going to concerts, taking in movies and his favorite TV shows, as well as spending countless hours over coffee with friends. He's also a big fan of the band Weezer.
S1 E45 · Thu, May 24, 2018
An Enneagram 7 Let's Go of His Expectations, feat. Luke Norsworthy
Sevens are the joy bombs of the Enneagram. The energy they give off is energetic, fun-loving and naturally cheerful. They are optimistic by nature and seize every moment of life. They live for the next adventure and are experts at reframing a negative situation to find the silver lining. But all their “living for tomorrow” is really to avoid pain and introspection. Sevens may have an underlying feeling that if they allow themselves to feel an emotion they’ll get stuck in that emotion never come out. They keep their minds busy and occupied with projects and ideas for the future in an unconscious attempt to evade having negative emotional or psychological feelings. Listen in as we jump into an energetic conversation with Enneagram Seven, Luke Norsworthy, and find out why it’s important for Sevens to enjoy life with a small spoon. Luke and his wife Lindsay along with their three daughters live in Austin, TX where Luke is the senior minister of the Westover Hills Church. Luke’s first book God over Good releases October 2018. Luke also hosts the Newsworthy with Norsworthy Podcast, a weekly podcast discussing Spirituality, Christianity, and anything else that seems news worthy. You can follow Luke on Twitter: @LukeNorsworthy
S1 E44 · Thu, May 17, 2018
Jen Hatmaker’s Fight for Grace using the Enneagram
The last time I spoke with Jen Hatmaker on her “For of Love” podcast, we talked about how she identifies as a Three. As our conversation continued I began to think, “Man, you’ve got a lot of features of an Eight. I wonder if you should check out this other type.” Threes and Eights are both assertive, ambitious, and competitive. But the difference is that an average eight wants to get their way pretty fast because they just don't want to waste time. They're not afraid to get into an argument, but they're like, "Whatever, I just want to get the power and the control in the room here a little bit or in life." They'll compete for dominance, but it's less about social or status issues, it's more about power. For Threes, it's much more about status and appearances. Threes are less interested in having the power rather they are more interested in being admired by others. In today’s episode, we discuss the similarities and differences of Threes and Eights and how that manifests under the umbrella of fighting for justice and grace. Listen as we talk about Jen’s need to stand up for various social issues, her ability to embrace confrontation for what is just, and the emotional response to doing just that.
S1 E43 · Thu, May 10, 2018
An Enneagram 8's Process of Defrosting, part 2 with David Gungor
Last week David Gungor shared his struggle in determining his type, how he embraces his “chaotic intentionality,” and what it means to need others to “get out of his face.” Today we continue the conversation about how the Enneagram can help Enneagram Eights grow in self-awareness through spiritual practices and leaning into the people they do trust to gain true intimacy. David Gungor is a member of The Brilliance, the American worship music duo of David Gungor and John Arndt. The band started making music in 2010 under the Integrity Music label. Their new album was “All is Not Lost” released in January 2017. David is also an associate pastor at Trinity Grace Tribeca. For more information about David, visit www.thebrilliancemusic.com
S1 E42 · Thu, May 03, 2018
042: Practicing Vulnerability as an Enneagram 8, feat. David Gungor
Enneagram Eights are called The Challenger for a good reason. Eights don’t like to feel controlled and avoid any appearance of vulnerability. They are naturally confrontational and their combative energy can feel intimidating to others. But what feels like intimidation to others actually feels like connection to an Eight. Eights express their anger freely, are fueled by high levels of stimulation, and react very strongly against challenging injustices. And, as you’ll hear from our guest, David Gungor, the “circle of trust” is small but tight. So what does it sound like when an Eight acknowledges their weakness or vulnerability? What does it look like when you break through that tough exterior? Listen as David Gungor shares his struggle in determining his type, how he embraces his “chaotic intentionality,” and what it means to need others to “get out of his face.” David Gungor is a member of The Brilliance, the American worship music duo of David Gungor and John Arndt. The band started making music in 2010 under the Integrity Music label. Their new album was “All is Not Lost” released in January 2017. David is also an associate pastor at Trinity Grace Tribeca. For more information about David, visit www.thebrilliancemusic.com .
S1 E41 · Thu, April 26, 2018
Who am I if I can't DO anything? feat. Michele Cushatt (Enneagram 2)
Twos have an amazing way of making other people feel safe and comfortable. They are some of the most caring, supportive and upbeat people I know. They accept you as you are, aren’t judgmental and create space where people can speak from their hearts and experience. Yet, Twos need to be needed but for a Two to admit their own “neediness” is very difficult. They rarely ask for help and don’t know how to receive it when it’s offered. Instead, they focus their energy on meeting the needs of others. They have to DO things to really feel loved. Unhealthy Twos don’t know who they are if they aren’t doing things for the people around them. So, for a Two to grow in self-awareness and gain self-compassion, they need to embrace the truth that we all have needs. We’re all broken in some way. And that’s okay. It just makes us more human. In today’s episode, Michele Cushatt joins us to talk about how Twos can stop seeing their wounds as a flaw but rather as portals for deeper connection for others.
S1 E40 · Thu, April 19, 2018
Part 2, May the Fours Be with You: A Panel of Enneagram Fours
This week we continue with our panel of Fours -- Sandra McCracken, Megan Miller, Matthew Perryman Jones, and Don Chaffer. Tune in as we discuss the strengths and challenges of being a Four, and then stick around to the end when Ian and guests pull some guitars down from the studio walls and spontaneously break into a Dylan tune. It's pretty unforgettable.
S1 E39 · Thu, April 12, 2018
May the Fours Be with You: A Panel of Enneagram Fours
For those who are new to the Enneagram or to what life is like as an Enneagram Four, let me just give a 50,000-foot fly-by of the Enneagram Four. Fours, called the Individualists, sometimes called the Romantics or the Tragic Romantics, these are folks who have a sense that they carry within themselves some deficiency--some irredeemable deficiency--a missing piece in their essential makeup that they can't quite name. It actually elicits or brings up in them this kind of inconsolable longing for the un-nameable missing piece that they're trying to find and recover so that they can feel a part of the world. They feel as though they're disqualified from belonging because they're different from other people. And so, this launches them on a lifelong quest, usually early on with the struggling low self-esteem, I've never met a Four who told me that that was not an issue for them. And their passion, or their deadly sin, is Envy. So, what is it that Fours? Fours envy the normalcy, the happiness, and the apparent ease with which other people seem to move in the world. We just look at other people and think they just haven't suffered as much as we have. We just have this perception that other people have had an easier time of it in this life. And that can sometimes give us a little bit of superiority, almost, because we also become addicted to our suffering if we're not careful. It becomes the core of our identity--the tragic story of the past that we don't know how to divorce ourselves from, and even if we could who would we be without it, without that tragic story? God, we'd be ordinary, which of course points to the underlying motivation of the Four which is a compulsive need to be unique and special as a strategy to compensate for what we perceive to be this irredeemable deficiency. To best illustrate the ways that Fours are unique, even from each other, I brought in a panel of Fours for this week’s show. The thing I love about panels is it's so much better for people to learn about these different types, these archetypes of the Enneagram, straight from the mouths of those who live in the shoes of those different styles of being in the world. Fours are the most misunderstood number on the Enneagram in general. So, tune in as Sandra McCracken, Megan Miller, Matthew Perryman Jones, and Don Chaffer join us in studio to talk about all things Four.
S1 E38 · Thu, April 05, 2018
How the Enneagram Unexpectedly Rocked Our World, feat. research psychologist Dr. Richard Beck and his wife, Jana
After a knee-jerk reaction of skepticism, Dr. Richard Beck and his wife, Jana, share how the Enneagram has had a profound effect on their family. In today’s show, we talk about the disjoint of how we conceive ourselves and how we behave on the ground, how personality and virtue cut across Enneagram types, and the unique contribution of the fluidity of the Enneagram. Richard Beck, Ph.D. is a research psychologist, professor, and award-winning author. His books include: Unclean: Meditations on Purity, Hospitality and Mortality (2011), The Authenticity of Faith: The Varieties and Illusions of Religious Experiences (2012), The Slavery of Death (2013), Reviving Old Scratch: Demons and the Devil for Doubters and the Disenchanted (May 2016), and his newest book, which just released in November, Stranger God: Meeting Jesus in Disguise. To learn more about Richard, visit https://experimentaltheology.blogspot.com or his author page at https://amzn.to/2uKfzEQ.
S1 E37 · Thu, March 29, 2018
This week we jump back into our conversation with Paul Young to help nail down his type. Figuring out his type was hard, as it can be for many. But I think Paul has suffered and worked through so many things in his life, he has reached a point where I think he's maybe one of the most integrated nines I've ever known. Also, because of that, he has a mystical quality. When they're healthy, nines are so awake there's a mystical quality to them. I think it becomes tough to figure out their type because they're so attuned and plugged in across all these types, but they're awake. Paul Young is the author of The Shack (2007), Cross Roads (2012), Eve (2015), and he just released his latest book, Lies we believe about GOD (2017) . To learn more about Paul or to check out his books, visit www.wmpaulyoung.com .
S1 E36 · Thu, March 22, 2018
036: Exploring "The Shack" with the Enneagram and author Paul Young, pt 1
When learning the Enneagram and figuring out your number, one of the things that complicates the process is trauma and the effect of trauma on personality development and theory. I always say, I think personality, just the defensive nature of the personality thickens on people with trauma. The staircase is steeper that we have to climb. Our guest in this two-part episode is not sure if he's a 9 or a 7. And so during the show, we actually get into it, we actually help Author Paul Young nail it in the second episode. Paul Young is a human being whose heart and soul are fascinating and are also enriching. I have a special place of affection in my heart for Paul, and I know you’re really going to get a lot out of this show. Paul Young is the author of The Shack (2007), Cross Roads (2012), Eve (2015), and he just released his latest book, Lies we believe about GOD (2017) . To learn more about Paul or to check out his books, visit www.wmpaulyoung.com .
S1 E35 · Thu, March 15, 2018
Sarah Thebarge, Moving Out of Fear Into Love as an Enneagram 6
I’ve said it before, Sixes are wonderful. They have a strong need for security and consistency. They appreciate order, plans and rules and like the comfort and predictability of laws and guidelines. But Sixes also have a shadow side. Their passion is fear, which is often experienced as anxiety. Anxiety is a vague, free-floating sense of apprehension that arises in response to an unknown or potential threat that may never materialize. So, how do Sixes achieve spiritual growth? A lot of Sixes think the answer is bravery, but there’s never enough bravery to fill the bucket of “this is a scary world and I need support.” But in today’s episode, Sarah Thebarge shares the difference between bravery and courage and how making that distinction has been helpful for her as an Enneagram Six. Sarah Thebarge is a speaker, blogger, journalist and author of The Invisible Girls , a memoir that weaves her story of nearly dying of breast cancer in her 20’s together with the story of a Somali refugee family she met on a train in Portland, Oregon, as she was recovering from her cancer treatments. The Invisible Girls is a World Magazine Notable Book and was also chosen as the First Year Experience book by Mississippi State University. Her current book, THE WELL: Healing Our Beautiful, Broken World from a Hospital in West Africa , is a deeply personal account of what practicing medicine at a hospital in Togo taught Sarah about how each of us can heal the cracks we see in the world around us. Sarah’s blog was featured by MSNBC.com. Her writing has appeared in National Geographic , USA Today, Everyday Health, Relevant Magazine, Christianity Today, Huffington Post, Red Letter Christian and Sojouorneers. As a speaker , Sarah is a regular at retreats, churches, colleges and conferences. She has spoken at Donald Miller’s Storyline Conference and the Jubilee Conference, as well as more than 40 universities and colleges. In addition to speaking to large assemblies, Sarah gives talks on the topics of International Aid, Health Communications and Public Health, and teaches nonfiction writing workshops.
S1 E34 · Wed, March 07, 2018
034: How to fix your broken record with the Enneagram, Feat. Amena Brown (Type 2)
Every type on the Enneagram has misbeliefs and errant unconscious motivations that get us to do and think and feel things that just are not in our best interests. We all have these broken messages in our lives that run like recordings in the background. The hurtful words and experiences from our past often determine what record play in our head as an adult. In her new book, How to Fix a Broken Record , Amena Brown uses music to help us recognize the negative messages that play on repeat throughout our lives. Think of your soul as one big record collection with a soundtrack for different parts of your life. What broken record runs through your life? And how can you use the Enneagram to recognize these negative messages so you can reclaim your life? Amena Brown is an author, spoken word poet, speaker, and event host. The author of five spoken word albums and two non-fiction books, Amena performs and speaks at events from coffeehouses to arenas with a mix of poetry, humor, and storytelling. She and her husband, DJ Opdiggy, reside in Atlanta, GA. She hosts a 10-episode limited edition podcast called, “How to Fix a Broken Record,” which unpacks themes from her book with a different guest each episode discussing life, love, faith, and broken records revealing the soundtracks of their lives. https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/how-to-fix-a-broken-record/id1296534604?mt=2 And she hosts her regular podcast “Here for the Donuts” with her sister-in-law Missi Burgess in which they discuss donuts, cupcakes and navigating life’s awkward moments and meeting standards of weird etiquette. https://itunes.apple.com/mt/podcast/here-for-the-donuts-podcast/id1183039922?mt=2 To learn more about Amena visit www.amenabrown.com or order her book at http://amzn.to/2oUg4WA .
S1 E33 · Thu, March 01, 2018
The Enneagram on Tour with Tenth Avenue North
Have you ever wondered what it would be like to go on tour with a band? It sounds exciting, right? You’d hop on a tour bus, travel coast to coast seeing the world, and entertain thousands of people every night. But, what is it truly like to live on a bus with 11 other people day-in and day-out? Well, when the road manager of Tenth Avenue North reached out to talk about how the Enneagram, and The Road Back to You in particular, has helped their band get along in tight quarters, I was excited to get them in the studio. There are 12 of them…with 12 bunks…on one tour bus. We weren’t sure what would happen as we squeezed into Anthony’s studio, but it was great! Listen as we uncover how the Enneagram has given Tenth Avenue North a new starting place for communicating and facing conflict. For more about Tenth Avenue North or to catch them on tour, visit their website at www.tenthavenuenorth.com . And don't miss them in Nashville on March 4th!
S1 E32 · Thu, February 22, 2018
Reading People through the Lens of the Enneagram, with author Anne Bogel (Enneagram 9)
When Nines are healthy and self-aware, they learn to feel special and important. They get in touch with their own passions and feel secure enough to stand behind their accomplishments. They become assertive and decisive. But when they switch to autopilot and spiritually fall asleep at the wheel, they doubt themselves and become more pessimistic. The deadly sin, or the passion of Nines, Sloth, is really about the failure to invest in your own self-development, in your own spiritual maturity, becoming your own person, finding your own voice, and claiming your ground. Nines need to be reminded that they matter. Nines need to do things for themselves, invest in themselves, and not feel like it's a poor investment. In her book, Reading People: How Seeing the World through the Lens of the Personality Changes Everything , author Anne Bogel talks about being at peace with who you are. And, of course, who doesn't want that? I mean, I don't know anybody who doesn't want peace with themselves, to have a sense of consonance, a sense of integration despite all of their dings and dents. Part of the journey for Nines is learning to take action on their own behalf and invest in themselves. One helpful way for nines to summon self-compassion and find peace with who they are is to imagine what it would be like for somebody else to experience what you are experiencing. Ask yourself, "What advice would you give someone else?" Then use that to summon the appropriate action for yourself. Anne Bogel is the creator of the blog Modern Mrs. Darcy, the voice of the top-rated books and reading podcast "What Should I Read Next", and a bona fide personality geek. Her first book, Reading People: How Seeing the World Through the Lens of Personality Changes Everything , combines her loves of literature and personality frameworks. To learn more about Anne Bogel visit www.modernmrsdarcy.com .
S1 E31 · Wed, February 14, 2018
Here, Hold My Beer...A Panel of Enneagram Twos
In Enneagram-speak, Enneagram Twos are called The Helpers. They are some of the most loving, kind, supportive, upbeat, and—when healthy—genuinely helpful to other people. Their underlying motivation is to feel loved and needed. But sometimes that need to be needed can lead to burn out. But, why listen to me talk about The Helper when you can hear it from those who actually live it? In this week’s episode of Typology, I brought together a panel of Twos to describe what it’s like in the mind of The Helper. So, tune in and listen as the loud-laughing, contentedly uncool mom of three teenagers, Tia Coffey, Vanderbilt University fundraising specialist and stand-up comic, Geoff Little, and singer-songwriter-author, Andrew Greer join me to talk about finding the balance between giving enough and giving to the point of burn out. Tia Coffey spends her workdays as an executive assistant, her evenings as a student, and her free time drinking wine, hiking, having theological conversations with friends, or hanging with her kids and an anxious chihuahua named Napoleon. Geoff Little works by day as a fundraising specialist at Vanderbilt University, but after hours he spirals into a whirl of outgoing pursuits. He loves spoken word live performances, including stand-up comedy. He is former co-host of TenX9 Nashville, a critically acclaimed storytelling group. He founded (and still leads) Nashville's Beer & Hymns public singing group phenomenon, which sells out Nashville rock club Mercy Lounge on occasion (don't miss this year's St. Patrick's Day Pub Sing!). He is married to his lovely wife, Tara, and on a good day, she lets him jog with her in the nearby Warner Parks, graciously slowing down her pace. Andrew Greer is a multiple Dove Award-nominated singer-songwriter and respected author, known for his old soul sound and thoughtful prose. The native Texan-turned-Tennessean’s folk-gospel discography displays a deep affection for vintage spiritual songs, instinctively captured on his critically acclaimed Angel Band hymn series—reaching the Top 10 on Amazon and iTunes’ mainstream charts upon release. With a love for facilitating conversations that dig deep, Andrew co-created and co-hosts the video podcast, Dinner Conversations with Mark Lowry and Andrew Greer: Turning the Light on One Question at a Time . The conversations-centered series debuted at #1 on iTunes Religion & Spirituality chart last year, and is now syndicated on television nationwide. Andrew has also authored two books— Transcending Mysteries: Who is God, and What Does He Want From Us? (Thomas Nelson) co-authored with Ginny Owens, and Winds
S1 E30 · Thu, February 08, 2018
Blowing up the Personality Box, feat. Brian Hardin, creator of the Daily Audio Bible podcast
Our personality types can put us into an almost hypnotic trance, something I’d call the shadow. We relegate to the shadow those parts of ourselves we don't want to see. What the Enneagram does is it takes a flashlight and it goes into the shadow with you. It says, “Okay, we've got to look around.” It helps us embrace the journey inward. And no, it's not going to be comfortable. It is going to be painful because embracing pain isn’t something we do well. It’s something that we avoid well. But it’s important to feel those things as they come up, not analyze them, not try and figure them out. Actually just let them be what they are. Let the beautiful things be beautiful and let the painful things be what they are. In today’s episode, Brian Hardin talks about his journey through the lens of a Five. He shares how using the Enneagram as a tool not only gives language to and expands our understanding of each other and of ourselves but also how it helps us pull back the curtain to shed the façade of our personality and find our true self. Though best known for founding Daily Audio Bible, the revolutionary Scripture podcast, downloaded over 55 million times, Brian Hardin is truly a man of many hats. With his trademark soul patch of whiskers and wisps of hair framing his face, the Nashville creative rose to recognition throughout the Christian music industry producing for the legendary likes of Larry Norman to modern radio regulars like Jill Parr and Manic Drive, earning hundreds of album credits and a healthy collection of Grammy and Dove Award nominations. Along the way, he branched out into photography, landing everything from music industry publicity shots to portraits and corporate portfolios, alongside an eye for graphic design that found his work featured in Time, CCM, Christian Retailing and Gaither Homecoming (to name a mere handful). It was from within these extraordinary accomplishments that an unexpected professional blow set Hardin on a path toward restored faith, and eventually, vocational ministry.
S1 E29 · Thu, February 01, 2018
An Enneagram State of the Union, feat. Author & Former White House staffer Michael Wear
About a month ago, I sat down with author and former White House staffer, Michael Wear, to talk about personality, power, and politics. And I know this is a hot-button topic, but I do think it's an important conversation to have. When we're talking about the President of United States and want to understand who he/she is, how he/she operates, and why our country is where it is, I think it's fair to begin to just think out loud what is happening here and what does it mean? So listen in as Michael and I provide some Enneagram insight into the politics of the past and present. Michael is the founder of Public Square Strategies LLC, a sought-after firm that helps religious organizations, political organizations, businesses and others effectively navigate the rapidly changing American religious and political landscape. Michael is a leading expert and strategist at the intersection of faith, politics and American public life. As one of President Obama’s “ambassadors to America’s believers” (Buzzfeed), Michael directed faith outreach for President Obama’s historic 2012 re-election campaign. Michael was also one of the youngest White House staffers in modern American history: he served in the White House faith-based initiative during President Obama’s first term, where he led evangelical outreach and helped manage The White House’s engagement on religious and values issues, including adoption and anti-human trafficking efforts. And, he’s got a new book out titled, “ Reclaiming Hope: Lessons Learned in the Obama White House About the Future of Faith in America  in which he provides unprecedented insight into the highs and lows of working as a Christian in government. He also writes for The Atlantic, Christianity Today, USA Today, Relevant Magazine and other publications on faith, politics and culture. He serves on the national board of Bethany Christian Services, the nation's largest adoption agency, and holds an honorary position at the University of Birmingham’s Cadbury Center for the Public Understanding of Religion. Michael and his wife, Melissa, are both proud natives of Buffalo, New York. They now reside in Washington, D.C. For more information on Michael, visit www.michaelwear.com .
S1 E28 · Thu, January 25, 2018
The Grace of Letting Go--the conversation continues with Michael Cusick (Enneagram 2) part 2
Enneagram Twos are part of the shame triad which, for those who are just getting started with the Enneagram, means that ‘shame’ is the go-to emotion for Twos, Threes, and Fours. Whatever the external manifestation is of—our struggle, our compulsion, our presenting problem, anger, alcohol, buying stuff that you don't need, sex, helping—shame is always what fuels that compulsion because where there's shame, our soul can't rest, in a sense of being loved. The very thing that we're hungry and thirsty for, which is that kind of deep love for who we are, the shame actually sets us up to never be able to get that. The antidote to that shame is learning to embrace our failures and shortcomings and accept ourselves as we are. Tune in to part two of my conversation with Michael Cusick as we talk about letting go and finding the freedom to live from a place of self-acceptance. Michael Cusick is a licensed professional counselor, spiritual director, speaker and author of two books including Surfing for God: Discovering the Divine Desire Beneath Sexual Struggle and Somebody’s Daughter: An Experiential Guide. Having experienced the restoring touch of God in a deeply broken life and marriage, Michael’s passion is to connect life’s broken realities with the reality of the gospel. In addition to leading Restoring the Soul and equipping Christian organizations around the world, Michael currently serves as an adjunct professor at Denver Seminary. He holds an MA in Biblical Counseling from Colorado Christian University and an MA from the College of Education at the University of Denver. Michael lives with his wife Julianne and two children, in Littleton, Colorado where he enjoys the Rocky Mountains and a host of other outdoor activities with friends and family.
S1 E27 · Wed, January 17, 2018
027: "I'm OK if you're OK" A conversation with Michael Cusick (Enneagram 2) Part 1
Known as The Helper, or as Michael Cusick prefers to call them, The Giver, Twos can be really great therapists and are maybe the most natural to move into that field, but there's also a lot of things about being a Two that work against that. Twos can care too much for the wrong reasons. Twos are so wired and attuned to the needs and the feelings of other people that they are often clueless as to what their own are. They look to other people to take care of their needs without having to acknowledge or articulate them. A large piece of the journey for Twos is to understand that you do have needs, acknowledge those needs, and actually learn how to articulate them. On today’s show, Michael Cusick talks about how the Enneagram has taught him to become more conscious of when he is over-identifying with those aspects of his personality that aren’t healthy and helps him make different choices. Michael Cusick is a licensed professional counselor, spiritual director, speaker and author of two books including Surfing for God: Discovering the Divine Desire Beneath Sexual Struggle and Somebody’s Daughter: An Experiential Guide. Having experienced the restoring touch of God in a deeply broken life and marriage, Michael’s passion is to connect life’s broken realities with the reality of the gospel. In addition to leading Restoring the Soul and equipping Christian organizations around the world, Michael currently serves as an adjunct professor at Denver Seminary. He holds an MA in Biblical Counseling from Colorado Christian University and an MA from the College of Education at the University of Denver. Michael lives with his wife Julianne and two children, in Littleton, Colorado where he enjoys the Rocky Mountains and a host of other outdoor activities with friends and family. For more information on Michael, visit www.restoringthesoul.com or www.michaeljohncusick.com .
S1 E26 · Thu, January 11, 2018
026: Living Out Loud - A Conversation with Jo Saxton
Healthy Eights are great friends, exceptional leaders and champions of those who cannot fight on their own behalf. They have the intelligence, courage and stamina to do what others say can’t be done. And, as with most Enneagram Eights, Jo Saxton is full of Eight's life-giving energy so when she was available for our podcast, I jumped at the chance to interview her. When healthy, Eights learn to open their hearts like a healthy Two. And today, Jo shares how she peeled back the layers, let down her defenses and got in touch with their inner heart. Listen in as we discuss healing broken identities and using the Enneagram as a tool for breaking through the junk that we accumulate and that confuses us from seeing who we truly are. And at the end of the show, Jo Saxton shares some tips for Eights who are just beginning to do their work and how they can begin to grow beyond their broken identity, or their broken personality, into their best self. A few things about Jo...she's a really popular leadership trainer. She's an international speaker. She's a best-selling author. She's passionate about seeing God transform lives across the globe. I mean, she's been featured at conferences like If, Catalyst, Thrive, Propel. She also chairs the board of international discipleship organization called 3D Movements, and cohosts the Lead Stories podcast. Her latest book, The Dream of You: Let Go of Broken Identities and Live the Life You Were Made For is set to release on January 23, 2018. For more information on Jo, visit www.josaxton.com
S1 E25 · Thu, January 04, 2018
025: Life, Family and the Enneagram with the Crons
"Compassion is a verb." - Thich Nhat Hanh The Enneagram helps us recognize and overcome self-defeating patterns of behavior by challenging us to bravely explore who we really are. As we grow in self-awareness we pave the way for our wiser and more compassionate self. Instead of banging guardrail-to-guardrail through life hurting those in our path, the Enneagram allows us to build and sustain healthy relationships by appreciating and understanding our own motivations and behaviors as well as those of our friends and family. In today’s episode, the Cron Family gathers over the holidays to discuss how the Enneagram has helped them grow closer and understand each other better. Listen as they share how their family finds balance and appreciation among each other. "The beginning of love is the will to let those we love be perfectly themselves, the resolution not to twist them to fit our own image. If in loving them we do not love what they are, but only their potential likeness to ourselves, then we do not love them: we only love the reflection of ourselves we find in them." - Thomas Merton
S1 E24 · Thu, December 21, 2017
Episode 24: Part 2 - Science Mike hacks the Enneagram
This week on Typology, we continue our conversation with 'Science Mike' McHargue. This show is bursting with wisdom about Nines. You'll learn how Nines can spiritually wake up and leverage their unleashed energy for some really cool things, what a Nine looks like in Right Action, and hear some great tips at the end for growing in your journey. Mike McHargue (better known as Science Mike) is an author, podcaster, and speaker who travels the world helping people understand the science of life's most profound experiences. His bestselling debut book, Finding God in the Waves , has helped thousands understand faith in the 21st century. Mike hosts Ask Science Mike , a weekly question and answer podcast helping hundreds of thousands explore the questions they've always been afraid to ask. He also co-hosts The Liturgists Podcast with his friend Michael Gungor. With over a million downloads per month, The Liturgists Podcast is reshaping how the spiritually homeless and frustrated relate to God. And his bestselling debut book, Finding God in the Waves , has helped thousands understand faith in the 21st century. To learn more about Science Mike, visit www.mikemchargue.com
S1 E23 · Thu, December 14, 2017
Episode 23: Science Mike hacks the Enneagram
Enneagram Nines, or The Peacemakers, are open and receptive in every way. They can see both sides to everything and they have a profound awareness of the interconnectedness of all things in creation. Their unconscious motivation is to avoid conflict at all costs, to maintain a relational connection, maintain the status quo, and preserve inner peace and harmony. To preserve this inner peace and harmony, Nines create internal and external boundaries. The inner boundary is to tamp down any feelings or desires that might disturb their calm inner sea. The external boundary exists to protect them from anything external that might cause inner tumult. This desire for inner and outer peace is so innate that Nines unconsciously absorb other people’s emotional energy. Today on Typology, our guest 'Science Mike' McHargue shares his journey through the inner sanctum of a Nine and his process of building a healthy connection to anger. Mike provides so much insight into the life of the Peacemaker we had to make it a two-part show. Mike McHargue (better known as Science Mike) is an author, podcaster, and speaker who travels the world helping people understand the science of life's most profound experiences. His bestselling debut book, Finding God in the Waves , has helped thousands understand faith in the 21st century. Mike hosts Ask Science Mike , a weekly question and answer podcast helping hundreds of thousands explore the questions they've always been afraid to ask. He also co-hosts The Liturgists Podcast with his friend Michael Gungor. With over a million downloads per month, The Liturgists Podcast is reshaping how the spiritually homeless and frustrated relate to God. And his bestselling debut book, Finding God in the Waves , has helped thousands understand faith in the 21st century. To learn more about Science Mike, visit www.mikemchargue.com
S1 E22 · Thu, December 07, 2017
Episode 22: Claire Diaz-Ortiz, Sorry...wrong number?
A lot of listeners have reached out asking “how do I figure out my type?” And though I would love to give t h e answer, the truth is it can be very difficult to figure out one’s Enneagram number. You are the only one who can truly determine your own Enneagram number because only you can identify the underlying motivation that drives the way you view the world. The real determining factor is not what you do, but rather w h y you do it. And, frankly, sometimes that can take a lot of internal work. In fact, I can’t tell you how many people have told me they thought they were one number, but after really doing their work, figured out they had misidentified themselves. With so many variables it’s easy to do. So, I often tell people that the best way to learn the Enneagram or to figure out your number is through the narrative. Read about the Enneagram, attend an Enneagram conference, and listen to others share their stories. It's truly the best way to distinguish between the nuances of each type. And this week on Typology, our guest Claire Diaz-Ortiz shares her story. Listen as Claire tells us about her life as it relates to the Enneagram. For years she's been seeing her life through the lens of an Enneagram One. But, is she truly an Enneagram One? Stay tuned through the end of the show as we leave her with some food for thought. <div class="_2TO-components-SimpleRichTextEditor--paragraphElement" data-block="true" data-editor="dg5dn" data-offset-key=
S1 E21 · Thu, November 30, 2017
Episode 21: Why Didn’t Matthew Perryman Jones Get the Memo?
Fours are the most complex of all the types on the Enneagram. They spend their lives feeling different and separate from others and long to be understood and appreciated for their authentic self. Fours experience themselves as people who are missing something essential at their core that they just can’t put their finger on. As Tim Burton describes it, “if you’ve ever had that feeling of loneliness, of being an outsider, it never quite leaves you.” Fours also have a considerable emotional range. They don’t have feelings, they are their feelings and those feelings form the basis of their identity. This unique gift of being so connected to their emotions allows them to experience a truly rich interior life. It heightens their creativity and acute sensibility to aesthetics, to beauty and meaning. In this episode, we invited singer-songwriter Matthew Perryman Jones to share his experiences growing up as an Enneagram Four. Not only does he describe that feeling of being unique but he also shares his song, “Oh Theo,” which truly captures the world view of a Four. Originally from Pennsylvania, Matthew grew up in Georgia and cut his artistic teeth in the Atlanta music scene before heading north to Nashville. His debut release, Nowhere Else But Here , dropped in 2000, followed by three subsequent albums — Throwing Punches in the Dark (2006), Swallow the Sea (2008), and Land of the Living (2012) — three additional EPs and a handful of singles. Songs from across his catalog have been featured in dozens of film and TV placements, and tours have taken him across the U.S. and abroad to share stages with legends like Shawn Colvin and Patty Griffin, as well as the Ten Out of Tenn songwriter collective of which he is a part. Now, Matthew is embarking on what might be the ultimate test of his inner compass: making his fifth album with only himself, a guitar, some basic recording gear, and genius loci — the spirit of place. As he chases the ever-retreating horizon, Jones will stop, listen, and capture when and what the spirit of each place calls out to him. To learn more about Matthew, visit www.mpjmusic.com.
S1 E20 · Thu, November 16, 2017
Episode 20: Becoming Lisa Whelchel
Enneagram Threes focus on outstanding performance, being perceived as successful and avoiding failure at all costs. They believe that love comes from achievement, image, and status and have the tendency to neglect or ignore the personal needs of self and others. But when Threes move toward health they move to the high side of Six. When that happens they no longer need to “drive the bus” or flaunt success. They are so good at helping others live into their full potential and be successful in their own right, and not have it be all about their own success. In this episode, Lisa Whelchel discusses her journey toward being a healthy Three. Listen in as she touches on her subtypes, how she identifies her True Self, and how the Enneagram has impacted her life as an introverted Type 3 with a 2 wing. Lisa is an actress, author, international speaker, and life coach. Perhaps best known for her starring role as Blair Warner on NBC’s “The Facts of Life” for nine years, she’s also the author of “Creative Correction” which has sold over 200,000 copies and has written more than a dozen books. Currently, Lisa is a certified CoActive Life Coach and focuses most of her time these days coming alongside others on their transformational journey to remembering their True Self. For more information please visit www.LisaWhelchel.com and www.ContigoLifeCoach.com .
S1 E19 · Thu, November 09, 2017
Episode 19: Andy Root, The Hysterical Analytical Enneagram Five"
Enneagram Fives are known as the Investigators, or the Observers. They see the world as intrusive, overwhelming and draining. They prefer to observe life from the sidelines rather than jumping in and participating in it. They value their privacy and freedom and can feel consumed, or drained, by prolonged involvement with other people or by having too many expectations placed on them. They monitor the amount of time they spend with others and hightail it back to the realm of the mind whenever possible to refuel. But, Fives are alert, insightful, and curious. When it comes to doing their 'work', Fives have an advantage over the rest of us. Their love for solitude makes them natural contemplatives and their deep need to collect knowledge and information can lead to true self-awareness. These healthy Fives are likely to have depth in knowledge in several areas of their lives and they willingly share their findings with others. And you'll hear that in action on today's episode. My guest Dr. Andrew Root proves he has done his work. Listen in as he opens up and shares how he navigates life through the lens of an Enneagram Five. Andrew Root (Ph.D., Princeton Theological Seminary) is the Carrie Olson Baalson Associate Professor of Youth and Family Ministry at Luther Seminary in St. Paul, Minnesota. A former Young Life staff worker, he has served in churches and social service agencies as a youth outreach associate and a gang prevention counselor. He writes and researches in areas of theology and youth ministry. His most recent books are Christopraxis (Fortress Press, 2014) and Bonhoeffer as Youth Worker (Baker, 2014) and The Grace of Dogs: A Boy, A Black Lab, and a Father's Search for the Canine Soul, released June 7, 2017.
S1 E18 · Thu, November 02, 2017
Episode 18: Matt Carter, An Enneagram Skeptic Finds His Number (And So Can You!)
I’ve received lots of emails and messages from folks on social media who are struggling to nail down their Enneagram number. Well, let me tell you, if that’s the case for you, this show is spot on. While only you can determine your own type, there are some things you can do to help get clarity. For those out there who are trying to figure out their type it’s often helpful to read up on wings. Wings are the number on either side of your number. Each of these wings will have a different influence on your type. I would also encourage folks to go to Beatrice Chestnut’s book, The Complete Enneagram: 27 Paths to Greater Self-Knowledge and go through the section where she describes the different subtypes. This will really provide some insight and help you nail down that number. But, what does it look like when that process comes to life? On today’s show we break it down with Enneagram skeptic, Matt Carter. Matt Carter is a musician, podcaster, and entrepreneur based in Seattle, WA. His career in the music industry began as lead guitarist of the post-punk/hardcore band Emery. His background as a touring musician laid a foundation for various collaborative ventures, including the founding of BadChristian Media and Jabberjaw Media. Matt hosts the wildly popular The BadChristian Podcast and Break it Down Podcast . He continues to tour and perform in Emery and Matt & Toby. When we started the show, we had no idea where the interview would take us. And, let me warn you in advance, this show is unlike any I’ve done in the past. In fact, it was so cool that when we wrapped up, Anthony and I were so psyched we laughed out loud. So, strap yourselves in, put on your crash helmets, and let’s get to it.
S1 E17 · Thu, October 26, 2017
Episode 17: Take Five! A Panel of Enneagram 5s with Lori Chaffer, Kenny Benge and Joel Miller
On this week’s show we invited a panel of Enneagram Fives into the studio to describe how they see and experience the world. Called the Investigators, or the Observers, Fives are kind, perceptive, sensitive, calm in a crisis and often possess a sly, slightly cynical sense of humor that’s endlessly entertaining. But, they can also come across as detached from their feelings, or aloof, unless they feel safe to share their emotions. Fives are often the most misunderstood number on the Enneagram. So, we asked our guests, singer-songwriter Lori Chaffer, Sr. Associate Pastor Kenny Benge, and writer/editor Joel Miller to share their wealth of knowledge and insights about being a Five.
S1 E16 · Tue, October 17, 2017
Episode 16: Sleeping At Last, Grace Requires Nothing of You
I think there are truths which reveal the limitations of human language. And when this happens we have to rely on artists to express these great spiritual insights through an alternative language--like music or film or the visual arts or dance--to say clearly what the rest of us only feel vaguely. So, when I heard Ryan O’Neal, otherwise known as Sleeping At Last, was writing songs from the perspective of each of the Nine Enneagram Types, well as you can imagine, I was pretty intrigued. On today’s show, Sleeping At Last joins us to talk about this intriguing and wonderful series of new music and shares his song titled, “ONE” from the project, ATLAS: Year Two . You’ll love hearing not only his music but also hearing his heart which I think is, well, evidently magnificent. Sleeping At Last is the moniker of Chicago-based singer-songwriter, producer and composer, Ryan O’Neal. In 2013, Sleeping At Last began the long-form concept project, Atlas, which is an ongoing series of new music (EPs, Singles, etc) to be released over the course of several years. Atlas: Year One (30 songs) was completed in early 2014. Sleeping At Last is currently working on Atlas: Year Two. Sleeping At Last can be heard frequently on popular TV Shows and Films such as The Twilight Saga: Breaking Dawn – Part 1, The Fault In Our Stars – Trailer, Grey’s Anatomy, So You Think You Can Dance, Criminal Minds, Bones, The Vampire Diaries, J.J. Abrams & Alfonso Cuaron’s Believe and many more. ( Click here for complete list )
S1 E15 · Thu, October 12, 2017
Episode 15: Richard Rohr, Finally Getting Over Your "Self" with the Enneagram, pt. 2 (Enneagram 1)
On last week’s episode of Typology, I had an amazing conversation with my friend, Fr. Richard Rohr, renowned Enneagram expert and Franciscan Priest, and Executive Director for the Center for Action and Contemplation in Albuquerque, New Mexico. We discussed the difference between the true-self and the false-self and explained how the Enneagram can guide us on our journey toward identifying our own true-self. This week on Typology, Richard and I continue that conversation. Today, we talk about how to use the Enneagram on a daily basis as a framework, or a blueprint, for spiritual formation. Richard also offers words of encouragement and caution for each Enneagram type. For more enriching wisdom from Richard visit the Center for  Action and Contemplation (CAC)  and sign up for Richard’s daily email that goes out with all kinds of wonderful wisdom and thoughts from him. You can also buy a few of Richard’s books. A few of my favorites are The Naked Now ,  Breathing Under Water ,  Falling Upward , and  Immortal Diamond .
S1 E14 · Thu, October 05, 2017
Episode 14: Richard Rohr, Finally Getting Over Your "Self" with the Enneagram, pt. I (Enneagram 1)
I first encountered the Enneagram when I was a graduate student at a conservative seminary. While on a weekend retreat I came across a copy of Fr. Richard Rohr’s book, Discovering The Enneagram: An Ancient Tool for a New Spiritual Journey . In that book Richard describes the traits and the underlying compulsions of each of the nine basic Enneagram types. Based on my life experience and what I’d learned in my training to become a counselor, Rohr’s description of the types blew my mind. They were uncannily accurate. I felt sure I had stumbled on an amazing resource, not only for Christians but for all people. Little did I know, that 25 years later, Richard and I would be friends and the Enneagram would become the central focus of my work. In this episode, you will learn: How Richard discovered the Enneagram How to break the shackles of self-doubt with self-compassion What exactly is the true self vs. false self Why the Enneagram can help to identify the true-self Richard is a Franciscan priest of the New Mexico Province and he is the founder of the  Center for  Action and Contemplation (CAC)  in Albuquerque, New Mexico. He is the author of numerous books, including  Everything Belongs ,  Adam’s Return ,  The Naked Now ,  Breathing Under Water ,  Falling Upward ,  Immortal Diamond , and  Eager to Love: The Alternative Way of Francis of Assisi .
S1 E12 · Thu, September 28, 2017
Shauna and Aaron Niequist on Nurturing Relationships with the Enneagram (Enneagram 4 and 7)
Recently I came across an intriguing article in the Huffington Post about a group of Harvard researchers who undertook a longitudinal study to answer the questions, “͞What are the secrets to a happy and purposeful life?” and “How do we grow and change, what do we value as time goes on, and what is likely to make us happy and fulfilled?” What do you think the researchers said was their most important finding? It was that love and relationships are really all that matters . A person could have a successful career, money and good health, but without supportive, loving relationships, they wouldn’t be happy. If it’s true that relationships are all that really matter in life, then how do we create ones that are healthy and life giving? And for the sake of our conversation, how can the Enneagram help support our us? To explore these questions, I asked my longtime friends Shauna and Aaron Niequist to join me on today’s show to talk about how they’ve used the Enneagram to support and nurture their relationship. For those of you who don’t know them, Shauna is the New York Times bestselling author of the book “͞Present Over Perfect,” and Aaron is a worship leader and the author of a new book to be released next August. As you’ll soon discover these two people are veteran Enneagram students and incredibly funny to boot! So, sit back, relax, and enjoy the conversation. Suggested Reading ͞The Enneagram in Love and Work , by Helen Palmer ͞The Everyday Enneagram , Lynette Shephard ---- To download a PDF of a chapter from Ian's book called Finding Your Type, visit TypologyPodcast.com . You can follow us on Twitter , Instagram and Facebook <span cl
S1 E11 · Thu, September 21, 2017
Episode 12: I Know My Type...Now What? Continuing Our Conversation with Beatrice Chestnut
A few weeks ago, renowned Enneagram teacher and author Dr. Beatrice Chestnut joined me on our show to discuss how Enneagram Twos see and relate to the world. Beatrice was so great that we were flooded with requests to have her on again, and thankfully she agreed or we would’ve had a mutiny on our hands! On this episode Beatrice and I tackle the question “How do I use the Enneagram as a tool for personal and spiritual transformation?” It’s a great question. Information isn’t transformation. If you want to use the Enneagram as a blueprint for change then knowing your number is only the first step. So today Beatrice and I discuss a few of the many next steps we can take to bring about positive change in our lives through using the Enneagram. A student of the Enneagram system of personality since 1990 and a past president of the International Enneagram Association, Beatrice is the author of my all-time favorite Enneagram book, The Complete Enneagram: 27 Paths to Greater Self-Knowledge . So, take a seat, put your napkin on your lap, and get ready for a feast of Enneagram wisdom! ---- To download a PDF of a chapter from Ian's book called Finding Your Type, visit TypologyPodcast.com . You can follow us on Twitter , Instagram and Facebook . And if you like the show, we’d love for you to go over to Apple Podcasts and leave us a review. It helps us know what you think, and it helps others find out about the show.
S1 E10 · Thu, September 07, 2017
Episode 10: So Six-y it Hurts (A Panel of Sixes)
The more I know about life and people, the more I love Enneagram Sixes. Called Loyalists, Sixes are the most faithful and dependable people on the Enneagram. They keep a watchful eye over us. They safeguard our values. In my opinion, they're the glue that holds our world together. And, by the time this episode is over, you’re going to understand why Enneagram Sixes have a reputation for being some of the funniest people on the planet. But wait! There’s another reason why you need to listen to this show! A few weeks ago, I hosted a panel of four Enneagram Nines, all of whom happened to be guys. At the end of that episode, I promised I would soon host a show with four women. Well, today’s the day! For this week's Typology, I brought together Jill Phillips, Leslie Jordan, Francie Likis, and Katie Williams to describe what it’s like to be Enneagram Sixes. You're going to love and admire this remarkable group of women. So sit back, hit play, and listen to this wonderful group of women talk about how they see and experience the world. You’ll enjoy every minute of it. ---- To download a PDF of a chapter from Ian's book called Finding Your Type, visit TypologyPodcast.com . You can follow us on Twitter , Instagram and Facebook . And if you like the show, we’d love for you to go over to Apple Podcasts and leave us a review. It helps us know what you think, and it helps others find out about the show.
S1 E9 · Thu, August 31, 2017
Episode 9: Beatrice Chestnut, An Enneagram Two’s Journey Toward Finding Real Love
Enneagram Twos are some of the most caring, kind, supportive, upbeat, and tenderhearted people on God’s good green earth. Three of my closest friends are Twos, and together they radiate enough love and generosity of spirit to heat a metroplex. In Enneagram-speak they’re called The Helpers . On today’s episode, I’m joined by renowned Enneagram teacher, author, consultant, and Enneagram Two, Dr. Beatrice Chestnut Ph.D. A student of the Enneagram system of personality since 1990, she is the author of my all-time favorite Enneagram book, The Complete Enneagram: 27 Paths to Greater Self-Knowledge. Enneagram Twos are far more complicated than they appear at first glance. Who better to describe what it’s like to be a Helper than a Black-belt Enneagram expert and teacher. Beatrice was so good we decided to record two shows with her! Whether you’re a Two or not, this show contains so much insight into the Enneagram it will blow your mind! Beatrice has taught at Northwestern University and was trained in group facilitation at Stanford University’s Graduate School of Business. She served as President of the International Enneagram Association from 2006-2007 and teaches workshops on the Enneagram internationally, focusing on using it as a tool for leadership development and personal transformation. Books and Resources for Enneagram Twos Boundaries: When to Say Yes, When to Say No-To Take Control of Your Life, Dr. Henry Cloud How to Love (Mindful Essentials), Thich Nhat Hanh
S1 E8 · Thu, August 24, 2017
Episode 8: Jeff Goins, Image Isn’t Everything (Enneagram 3)
In 1991, tennis superstar Andre Agassi appeared in a television ad for a camera called the Canon Rebel. On the set, the fashionably dressed Agassi steps out of a white Lamborghini sports car, lowers his ray bans halfway down the bridge of his nose, gazes cockily into the camera, and says, “Image is everything.” I watched that old commercial on YouT ube the other day and thought to myself, “Wow, that guy’s a poster child for all the not very self-aware Enneagram Threes in the world.” Enneagram Threes are called The Performers. These folks are success-oriented, image conscious, and wired for productivity. They are motivated by a compulsive need to succeed or to appear successful, and to avoid failure at all costs. Performers see a world that values people more for their accomplishments, for what they do, not for who they are. Driven by the need for approval and admiration, Threes focus all their energies on winning and looking good doing it. As you listen to today’s show, you’ll realize that there’s a lot to love about Threes when they’re healthy, and my guest Jeff Goins proves my case. He's doing all the necessary work (or dare I say ‘successfully’ doing the work) to become his most authentic self. Jeff is an award-winning blogger, sought after speaker, and best - selling author of five books. He teaches online courses and is pretty sure he makes the world’s best guacamole. He lives with his family here in Nashville, and more importantly, he’s my friend. SUGGESTED READINGS: Becoming Who you Are , by James Martin, SJ Immortal Diamond: The Search for Our True Self , by Richard Rohr <a href= "https://www.amazon.com/Abbas-Child-Heart-Intimate-Belonging/dp/1631463950/ref=sr_1_fkmr0_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1503
S1 E7 · Thu, August 17, 2017
Episode 7: Give Peace(makers) A Chance. A Panel of Four Enneagram 9's
I’m not kidding when I say Enneagram Nines (The Peacemakers) are well represented in my universe of relationships. My wife Anne is a Nine. My daughter Maddie is a Nine, and as you’ll soon learn, a disproportionate number of my friends are Nines as well. On this week’s show we decided to try something new. We invited not one but a panel of FOUR Enneagram Nines into the studio to describe what it’s like to be members of the Peacemaker tribe. Why host a panel? In my experience, people learn more about different Enneagram types when they hear people who self-identify as that type talk about their lives. Why listen to me talk about a type when you can hear from folks who live it everyday? This week you’ll meet four of my closest friends—Singer-songwriter Andy Gullahorn, guitarist, businessman, (and five time Grammy nominee) Randy Williams, Sobriety Coach and counselor David Hampton, and Chris Gonzalez, PhD, a Marriage and Family Therapist, and Director of the MFT program at Lipscomb University. We honestly didn’t know what would happen when we stuffed me, my guest co-host Rabbi Evan Moffic, my producer Chad Michael Snavely, and four others guys into our tiny recording studio with a six pack of beer but as you’ll soon hear -- it was magic. This is one of the most entertaining and enlightening shows I’ve ever been a part of. My panel today happens to be all men, but we’ve already scheduled a panel of four women to be on the show in the next few weeks and a mixed gender panel as well, so keep your eyes and ears open for those shows! S uggested Readings for Enneagram Nines: - Living Forward: A Proven Plan to Stop Drifting and Get the Life You Want , by Michael Hyatt - The 5 Second Rule: Transform Your Life with Everyday Courage , by Mel Robbins Be sure to listen to Episode 24 of The Road Back to You Podcast with Enneagram Nine Chris Gonzalez. My wife, Anne, is a Nine and she’s listening to it! ---- To download a PDF of a chapter from Ian's book called Finding Your Type, visit <a class="" href= "http
S1 E6 · Thu, August 10, 2017
Episode 6: Enneagram 8 Melissa Greene, The Velvet Hammer
Enneagram Eights (The Challengers) are hard driving, tough, decisive, innovative, and resourceful people who make things happen. They’re larger than life presence and boundless energy instills confidence in others, and people follow them. As long as they’re a man, that is. Our culture reveres male Eights. People admire men who “kick ass and take names.” Sadly, we all know the word folks use to describe a woman who takes charge, stands up for what she believes, refuses to take crap from people and gets the job done. I don’t need to spell it out for you, right? All to say, emale Eights are arguably the most misunderstood and unfairly treated number on the Enneagram. On today’s episode of Typology, I talk with pastor, activist, musical artist, and Enneagram Eight, Melissa Greene. Affectionately called the ‘The Velvet Hammer’ by her friends and fans, Melissa is true to her type. In our conversation, Melissa shares her challenging but often humorous journey as a female ight who grew up and still lives in the American South--a culture in which women are expected to be sweet and gentee...ot made of steel. You can find more of Melissa’s current work through Hope Curator for Timothy’s Gift ( http://timothysgift.com/ ) hich curates concert tours with other artists designed to entertain and uplift those in maximum security prisons. Melissa is also the Cofounder of Imaginarium ( www.imaginarium.life )—a fresh expression of a spiritual community in Nashville. ---- To download a PDF of a chapter from Ian's book called Finding Your Type, visit TypologyPodcast.com . You can follow us on Twitter , Instagram and Facebook . And if you like the show, we’d love for you to go over to Apple Podcasts and leave us a review. It helps us know what you think, and it helps others find out about the show.
S1 E5 · Thu, August 03, 2017
Episode 5: Lee C. Camp, An Enneagram 1's Journey toward Embracing Progress, Not Perfection
"Perfectionism is the voice of the oppressor, the enemy of the people,” writes author Anne Lamott in her beautiful book, Bird by Bird: Some Instructions on Writing and Life. Whether you struggle with perfectionism in general, or in just one or two areas of your life, you know how draining and torturous it can be. Are there ways to overcome the tyranny of perfectionism? Is it possible to quiet or tame the negative self-commentary of our inner critic? How can we stop harshly judging ourselves and others, awaken self-compassion, and find peace in our "perfectly imperfect world?" No one's more qualified to discuss the perils and perks of being a perfectionist quite like a mature Enneagram One, a.k.a. The Perfectionist. On today’s episode, my dear friend and wise Enneagram One Dr. Lee Camp shares how everything changes for the better when we live by the wise motto “progress, not perfection." If you’re looking for a book to go along with the theme of today’s episode, start here: The Gifts of Imperfection: Let Go of Who You Think You're Supposed to Be and Embrace Who You Are —Brené Brown Loving What Is: Four Questions That Can Change Your Life —Byron Katie And then don’t forget to check out our guest Lee Camp's book, Mere Discipleship: Radical Christianity in a Rebellious World . Be sure and check out what Lee’s doing with the Token Show at TokensShow.com . ---- To download a PDF of a chapter from Ian's book called Finding Your Type, visit TypologyPodcast.com . You can follow us on Twitter , Instagram and Facebook . And if you like the show, we’d love for you to go over to Apple Podcasts and leave us a review. It helps us know what you think, and it helps others find out about the show.
S1 E4 · Thu, July 27, 2017
Episode 4: Tsh Oxenreider (Enneagram 4), The Art (and Angst) of Living an Unconventional Life
Most Enneagram teachers I know say Enneagram Nines are the least complicated of all numbers on the Enneagram, while Fours are the most complicated number on the Enneagram. With Fours, what you see is never what you get. There’s always layers and layers of stuff going on beneath their surface. On today’s episode of Typology, I talk with popular blogger, podcaster, author, and fellow Enneagram Four, Tsh Oxenreider. This conversation is a blast and I think you’re going to love it. And you’re going to learn some really helpful things about Fours in the process. Connect with Tsh at her website, TheArtOfSimple.com , and be sure to check out her new book, At Home in the World . Oh and after you’ve finished listening to our conversation, be sure and check out Tsh’s wonderful podcast, The Simple Show . To download a PDF of a chapter from Ian's book called Finding Your Type, visit TypologyPodcast.com . You can follow us on Twitter , Instagram and Facebook . And if you like the show, we’d love for you to go over to Apple Podcasts and leave us a review. It helps us know what you think, and it helps others find out about the show.
S1 E3 · Thu, July 20, 2017
Episode 3: Rabbi Evan Moffic (Enneagram 3), Shalom & Success
Can you pursue a life of success and enjoy a growing sense of 'shalom'--the Hebrew word for a sense of inner harmony, wholeness, and ultimate well-being we all long to experience? Listen into my conversation with Rabbi Evan Moffic, a renowned author, Jewish scholar, and Enneagram Three (AKA The Performer). A high honors graduate of Stanford University and the youngest rabbi of a major Jewish congregation in the United States, Rabbi Moffic loves and uses the Enneagram to support his own journey toward personal transformation and as a tool in his work with others as well. From beginning to end, this is one of the richest conversations I've ever had about the Enneagram and spiritual transformation. This episode is for everybody, regardless of spiritual background or worldview. If for some reason you're short on time this week please, please, please skip forward to 24:58 and listen through to the end of the show. You won't be disappointed! Rabbi Moffic's book, What Every Christian Needs to Know About the Jewishness of Jesus was a 2015 best-seller, and his upcoming book— The Happiness Prayer: Ancient Jewish Wisdom for the Best Way to Live Today reveals an ancient Jewish prayer whose teachings open the door to happiness and meaning for people of all faiths. Download a PDF of his Happiness Tracker here . You can connect with Rabbi Evan Moffic at r abbimoffic.com . To download a PDF of a chapter from Ian's book called Finding Your Type, visit TypologyPodcast.com . You can follow us on Twitter , Instagram and Facebook . And if you like the show, we’d love for you to go over to <a class="" href= "https://itunes.apple.com/us/p
S1 E2 · Thu, July 13, 2017
Episode 2: Bob & Maria Goff, the Beautifully Imperfect Marriage of an Enneagram 9 & 7
Bob Goff is a 7. His wife, Maria, is a 9. This is an episode about how two very different types can love and compliment each other. We learned a lot about 7’s on last week’s episode with Rob Bell, and while we’ll dig more into the 7 as we talk to Bob, we’re going to get a great understanding of the 9 as Maria joins today’s conversation. Be sure and check out Bob’s book, Love Does , and Maria’s new book, Love Lives Here . Also, check out Dream Big Framework to learn about Bob’s upcoming workshop. To download a PDF of a chapter from Ian's book called Finding Your Type, visit TypologyPodcast.com . You can follow us on Twitter , Instagram and Facebook . And if you like the show, we’d love for you to go over to Apple Podcasts and leave us a review. It helps us know what you think, and it helps others find out about the show.
S1 E1 · Thu, July 06, 2017
Episode 1: Rob Bell (Enneagram 7), Author, Speaker & Gracious Provocateur
When I launched this podcast, I knew Rob Bell had to be my first guest. Discovering the Enneagram was a game-changer for Rob. His knowledge and enthusiasm for the Enneagram runs deep, and as you’ll discover while listening to this episode, Rob is an Enneagram "7 with a 7 wing." Check out Rob’s latest book, What Is the Bible? , and visit RobBell.com for speaking dates and other events. To keep up with what we’re doing at Typology, visit TypologyPodcast.com , or follow us on Twitter , Instagram and Facebook . And don’t forget to subscribe to this podcast and leave us a review!
S1 Enull · Thu, June 29, 2017
Introducing Typology & the Enneagram
Who are we? Why do we act, think and feel the way we do? How does the lens through which we see the world shape the way we live our lives? Welcome to Typology, a podcast that explores the mystery of the human personality and how we can use the Enneagram typing system as a tool to become our most authentic selves. Hosted by author, speaker, and counselor, Ian Morgan Cron, Typology features interviews with recognized Enneagram teachers, bestselling authors, psychologists, theologians, artists, business leaders, neuroscientists, and others who are using the Enneagram as a path for personal transformation. Subscribe now - our first episode launches Thursday, July 6th.

Typology

The Audacity to Be You: Embracing Your True Self, feat. Dr. Brad Reedy

The Soul Beneath the Symptoms, feat. Michael J. Cusick

An Enneagram Six's Journey to Open-Heartedness, feat. Jeff Chu

Smart, Not Loud: Strategies for Getting Noticed at Work with Jessica Chen

How to Cultivate a Deep-Rooted Marriage, feat. Dr. Dan Allender and Dr. Steve Call

How to Transform Shame into Empowerment through Storytelling, feat. ESPN reporter Lauren Sisler

Jason Wahler's Recovery Journey: Navigating Codependency and Self-Discovery

The One-to-One Seven: Unpacking the Unique Landscape of Enneagram 7s w/Justin Heap

Navigating Difficult Conversations: LaTasha Morrison's Irenic Approach to Racial Equity and Justice

Uncover Your Hidden Genius: Exploring the Intersection of Aptitudes and the Enneagram with Betsy Wills and Alex Ellison

James Rhodes on Navigating Life as an Enneagram Nine [S08-033]

Beyond Addiction: How the 12 Steps Can Enrich Everyone's Spiritual Journey

The Essential Self: Unpacking the Enneagram and Internal Family Systems with Jenna Riemersma (Type 1)

Special Episode: Ian reads Chapter One of The Fix

Navigating Leadership and Self-Awareness: Insights from Enneagram 8 Bethny Ricks

Consent and Connection: How to Experience God's Presence in Everyday Life, feat. John Eldredge

Room for Good Things: Josh Nadeau on Finding Beauty in Everyday Life (Enneagram 7)

Grieve, Breathe, Receive with Steve Carter (Type 3)

Navigating the Holidays: How to Support Each Enneagram Type, feat. Christina Wilcox

Lessons About Suicidality from Enneagram 6, Chris Morris

How to Set and Maintain Healthy Boundaries (S08-023)

Gratitude and the Enneagram: Celebrating the Gifts of Each Type (S08-022)

William Vanderbloemen on Self-Awareness and Leadership: How the Enneagram and Data-Driven Habits Can Transform Your Career

Surprising insights into the story of Christmas, feat. AJ Sherrill (Type 3)

Navigating Life's Dissonance: Lessons from Even After Everything, with Stephanie Duncan Smith

The Enneagram for Teens: Tools for Connection and Growth, feat. Ainsley Britain

3 Parts of the Essential Self, feat. Dr. Alison Cook (Type 3)

The Power of Breath: A Path to Conscious Living and Emotional Wisdom, feat. Finnian Kelly [Type 7]

What Happens Next? feat. Max Lucado [Type 3]

The Perfect Balance: How an Enneagram 1 and 7 Complement Each Other in Life and Love, feat. Drs. May and Tim Hindmarsh

The Narrow Path: Embracing Pain and Transformation with Rich Villodas (Type 7)

Awakening to Wholeness: Navigating Midlife with Chip Conley (Type 3)

Joel Smallbone Shifts His Narrative (Type 3)

Should You Stay or Should You Leave? feat. Emily P. Freeman (Type 4)

Scott Allender Homes in on the Enneagram and Emotional Intelligence

Part 2: Navigating Grief and Growth - Insights from Christina Rasmussen

Part 1: Navigating Grief and Growth – Insights from Christina Rasmussen’s Invisible Loss (Type 8)

Authenticity: Finding balance in the public sphere as an Enneagram 4, feat. Liz Marie Galvan

The Joy Challenge, feat. Randy Frazee [S08-005)

The Healing Power of Forgiveness and Self-Love: Lessons from a Hospice Chaplain, feat. Bryan Crum [S08-004]

Embracing Contemplative Practices: Finding Wholeness in Midlife, feat. Ben Katt

Transforming relationships with true intimacy, feat. Dr. Carol Tanksley

Learning to Reconnect: A Path to Self-Acceptance with Carlos Whittaker

Harnessing the Dazzling Mind: Strategies for Enneagram 7s to Thrive, feat. Dr. Jeff Karp

Trust and Let Go: Confronting Fear with Jonathan Merritt (Enneagram 3)

The Way of Love in a World of Hurt: A Conversation with Charlie Peacock and Andi Ashworth

Exploring the Power of Storytelling: Insights from Allison Fallon and Donald Miller

A Shift in Perspective, feat. Don Miller (Enneagram 4)

The New Rules of Attachment, feat. Dr. Judy Ho (Type 8)

Finding a Sense of Belonging, feat. Chris and Julie Bennett [S07-044]

John Mark Comer on Learning to Love and Delight in Goodness (Type 1)

Mindset: The Ultimate Catalyst for Change, feat. renowned health expert Dr. Josh Axe

Healing the Heart for True Transformation, feat. Chris Cook (Enneagram One)

Using the Enneagram in the Entertainment Industry, feat. Gary Wheeler (Enneagram 9)

Fixer to Fabulous' Jenny and Dave Marrs Explore Their Enneagram Types

Befriending feelings to find wholeness, feat. Dr. Carol Tanksley (Enneagram 5)

A Journey of Healing and Vulnerability, with Molly Stillman (Enneagram 2)

Epidemic of Loneliness through the lens of the Enneagram, with Max Lucado

Attachment Theory in Action: Understanding Relationship Styles with Dr. Anita Knight Kuhnley

Humility: The Secret to Inner Peace, feat. Dr. Joel Muddamalle (Type 3)

Part 2: Exploring Frienships and the Enneagram, with Amy Weatherly (Type 9) and Jess Johnston (Type 7)

Part 1: Exploring Friendships and the Enneagram, feat. Amy Weatherly (9w8) and Jess Johnston (7w8)

The Journey from Addiction to Authenticity: John Schaech and Julie Solomon’s Tale of Recovery [S07-031]

The Good News About Anxiety, feat. Dr. David Rosmarin [S07-030]

Exploring Shadow Work through the Enneagram, with Seth Abram [S07-029]

Finding Comfort in the Midst of Suffering, feat. Kristen LaValley [S07-028]

Unlock Your Creative Potential: An Exploration of the Enneagram and Artistic Expression with Mary Adkins

Ike Miller Discusses "Good Baggage" and the Enneagram Three's Journey to Authenticity

Becoming a Worry-Free Parent, feat. Sissy Goff, LPC-MHSP (Type 1)

Cultivating Confidence, feat. Peter Atwater

From Addiction to Authenticity: John Schaech and Julie Solomon's Tale of Recovery (S07-023)

Four Distinct Ways We're All Created to Hear God, feat. Havilah Cunnington (Type 7)

What are the Five Marks of a Man? feat. Brian Tome (Type 8w7)

Living Fully through the Voice of the Heart, feat. Chip Dodd

Curiosity is a profound expression of love, feat. Scott Shigeoka (Type 7)

How Enneagram Types 7-9 Can Mitigate Stress [S07-017]

Part 2: How Enneagram Types 4-6 Can Mitigate Stress

How Enneagram Types 1-3 Can Mitigate Stress

How to Process Grief Based on Your Enneagram Type [S01-015]