Speaker 1: And you know, guys that have everything, like some of the richest people in the world are the most depressed people. Like you got to sort of just like realize how lucky you are Like, and I know that's what I'm good at, like I know how lucky I am, like I'm super like, like so lucky that Mark called me. Like I could have, when I was younger, boxing and surfing and stuff like that. I used to regret what happens if I kept on boxing and stuff like that, but then I wouldn't have like gone down that stage and wouldn't have had Mark call me. I wouldn't have you know, five calling, get a golds and had people watch me do that and stuff like that. So everything sort of happens for a reason. Speaker 3: Welcome to episode 496 of the men that can project podcast. I'm your host, lachlan Stuartt, and today we have a truly inspiring guest and one that I am personally really inspired by Caine Eckstein. Now Caine is not just an Iron Man champion, but he's also a successful entrepreneur, the co-founder of Dr Hydrate, and he has multiple Guinness World Records and one that David Goggins is chasing down right now. For those of you David Goggins fans, kane's journey is a testament to the power of resilience, the thrill to pushing boundaries and relentless pursuits of passion. From his early days as a competitive athlete to his current entrepreneurial endeavors, kane has consistently demonstrated unwavering commitment to excellence. It's going to be really hard for you to not feel inspired having listened to this episode. Speaker 3: In this episode, we delve into Kane's love for skydiving. If you check out his Instagram, there are some incredible videos there His record breaking victories in the cool and get a gold, and his transition from athletics to business. 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I couldn't recommend the work Lucky does and the man that camprojectscom Lucky does and the man that camprojectscom Cheers. Speaker 3: All right, so remember you can head over to the man that camprojectcom to apply today. Let's get into the episode, episode 496. Kane, welcome mate. Thanks for driving, driving up. Speaker 1: Thanks for having me. Speaker 3: Good to have you on here, mate. I've been watching a lot of your stuff. You do a lot of impressive stuff And this morning I saw David Goggins has gone for a record of yours And that's probably something we'll dive into a little bit later. But one of the things that every time I go on your page I'm like this dude's just insane is your skydiving. I've never had a skydiver on the podcast, mate. What sort of inspires you to want to jump out of a perfectly good plane? Speaker 1: Oh, it's like more of an intense story to start with, really, yeah, i was just that was the like. To be honest, i was that was the scariest thing for me to do. I think Like I was one of the guys. If you're on a balcony, you're like standing on the edge of the balcony. You got that weird feeling of like what kind of thing? Like I was like that And it sort of got to a stage and I was like I don't know. Speaker 1: I just didn't really want to be afraid of anything. I was just like, ok, i'm just going to like do if I can do this skydive thing, then it's sweet. Like I've been in the ocean and had like a shark next to me and stuff like that, and I was pretty good then. And but the skydiving I always said to people I was like I'll never skydive, i'm not going to let someone pack my shoot and stuff like that. I didn't know what it was. I thought you like pressed a button and like the parachute come out. Yeah, i had no idea about skydiving And then I just booked it in. And then I remember the first you do like a day of theory And then that afternoon you do a jump And I remember going up in the plane And I thought, for sure, like 5050, i'm going to die. Like I thought it was a good chance. Speaker 1: But not 5050,. But I was so in my head and I was like, if I get out of this, like I'm never doing this again, i'm never doing it again. And then I jumped and like it was good. And then I didn't do like the next jump for like a week or so because it was like a couple of hours away. So I was just driving there And then after about three or so jumps I was like, yeah, like I'm surviving, it's pretty fun. And then, yeah, i sort of just got super addicted to it, yeah. Speaker 3: How many jumps are you done now? Speaker 1: Oh, i don't like you meant to keep track of and ride them all down, but like three, three hundred, three fifty or something. But but in the skydive world that's honestly not much. Yeah, like all those sort of guys have done thousands. Speaker 3: But the footage looks insane. Like you got to check out Cain's Instagram and just this. The videos are so therapeutic. I've done three jumps, but always in tandem. Yeah, i was showing my buddy. Yes, i'm like my last jump, i was, i'm, i'm satisfied. Now I don't think I want to jump out of any more planes. And then I watched your videos. I'm like that'd be pretty fun. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So for you, it was about overcoming fear. Speaker 1: Yeah, they're like a thousand percent. Yeah, all I want to do is just do it, like and I thought I just wanted to get like my license and like sort of achieve that and then I'll never do it again. And then you just meet people and like just the people you meet is probably the best side of it. And then obviously it's nice having beers and stuff after And you jump out a lot by and by. So, yeah, like out of stage I was super addicted to it, like and that's what people get. You're like they don't really care about anything else, all they care about is jumping. Speaker 1: And then they're feeling Yeah, then they. but the problem is, there's like steps to it. You get into like base jumping and then you get the wingsuiting. Speaker 3: Are you going to do any of that, or have you? Speaker 1: done that. It is dangerous like it is, yeah, and it's a small world, like you get to know a lot of people, that sort of die doing it. Yeah, like every, because obviously every summer they all go to Europe And like, yeah, a lot of people die doing it. Speaker 3: Yeah, i think I read or heard somewhere like the average base jumper Once you start base jumping in your life expectancies, like three to five years or something. Yeah, yeah. Speaker 1: That's. Yeah, it was like I don't know what it was. There was like 12 guys sort of introduced base jumping and they all died. Like all of them, everyone that sort of like well, the testers for it, sort of thing. I'm not based on wingsuiting. I mean, yeah, wingsuiting, they all died, yeah, but but you can see why the guys love it. Like they, they'll go and it sounds cool, like I'd just like to do it without doing the wingsuiting. They get a van and they'll like, live in the van on the side of, like you know, a Swiss mountain and then they'll get up in the early in the morning, do like the four hour hike and then they get to the top and then you know, pack, put their wingsuit on, pack, you know, the clothes into the suit and then jump off and then land next to the car and have a beer, like it sounds awesome It does. Speaker 3: When you say that, like that, yeah, i reckon I'd freak out at the top, but obviously, chasing down that fear, that's been something that you've done a lot of in your whole life. Like you're an insane endurance athlete, like your track record from, i am also a fly saving Ironman to them. You competed in Kona too, didn't you? Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, that's also insane, and then obviously breaking a number of Guinness World Records for pull ups. Take us back to first how you got involved in the surf life saving, where the Can I say addiction to like endurance events came from and how I guess The skydiving approach of just diving into these, these insane challenges, has sort of shaped your life. And then also now business. Speaker 1: Yeah, well, it all sort of just started. Obviously my brother is a little bit older than me, so, and back then you had the uncle Toby's in the Nutri-Grain. I remember growing up watching that Yeah like those guys were like like that's some problem. It's like I like I didn't give a shit about school, like because all I wanted to do was being uncle, like our uncle, toby's athlete They're on Baywatch. They were, you know, living on the beach the trip is done. Speaker 1: Yeah stuff. And so my brother made that, i think when he was like 16 and Like he was earning stack of money and like you 11 or whatever it was, and then like that's all I wanted to do and my dad coached us because he was a Lifeguard on the Gold Coast like 30 years, so he coached us since we were like I think I started when I was like seven and Just every year he would go up with us and coaches all the way through. Speaker 1: Kind of thing until kind of me and my brother got Well, my brother's like a little bit like bitchy when it comes to training. He'd hate me. When I got better He was tough to train with, yeah, so we kind of split up a little bit, me and him. Yeah, when I got a little bit better and then, yeah, so I think I made the series when I was 16 as well I'm the new train by that point. It was still pretty popular then like it was a good series to make and I was just yeah, i just loved it. And then the cooling out of gold come back When I was 19 and it hadn't been on since like 1985 or 87 or something, and then that was a big. That's when my brother Because I won that race and he was like the favorite. Speaker 3: So I read that, yeah, can you explain first what the new to grand series was in terms of modalities and all that, and then also the, because I got the cool again, get a gold written down here and it is insane, yeah. Speaker 1: It's, um, you're trying for it though It's, it's actually it's not the three bad, but yeah, then you to grain. It's just like a summer series. So you do six sort of races over the summer and Then you have obviously like a champion at the end and then you know eight or so might qualify for the next year, yeah, and you just race all all over Australia. Yeah for that, and that's just been on sort of year after year. but back in the day There was the uncle Toby's and the new to grain, so there was two like rival series, yeah, and that's why they were sort of so much money in it, because they were sort of trying to keep each Athletes in different series. Speaker 1: Yeah, and they were like super competitive. But yeah, and then the cooling out of gold is like iconic event. It's, you know, for four and half hour race on the Gold Coast. So it was. They've changed the course, but when it was at its best it started surface paradise, went all the way to cool and gata, which is like 23k up the coast, and then you work all your way back to surface paradise again. Speaker 3: Just doing different. Yeah. Yeah, that's insane, yeah, and you've won it five times. Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah. So one of the first year, yeah, when I was 19, 2005 I think it was and then I sort of got into like triathlon, do a few different things and we'll always sort of I'd just get injured, not always go back, because that was just like a good fall back on to come back and And obviously, like my dad did the race, i think in 90, i think, did a couple times what he did in 1987. I think, calling out of gold and he got seventh. So I love that history side of it. I love what. there's a movie called the cooling out of gold. I'd watch that and you know, i know the lifeguards that were like the extras in there and stuff like that. like, yeah, i love that, it's just a big connection to it. Speaker 3: How did you train and prep for that, like? because it's 46 Ks of ocean work Yeah, for anyone. We did a Event from November a number of years ago where we paddle boarded from cooling out at a green mountain as well, and it took us 8 hours and we ended up, i think, the final year. We did it in the lifeguards. Like you guys can't do it again, because the surf was insane and we had blokes who Just were couch dudes. Speaker 3: Yeah, they didn't train at all, but yeah, it's for charity, we'll do that. and they were just eating shit Like yeah, yeah, just fucking getting rescued and whatnot, but that took us so long And I don't train specifically on paddleboards or anything like that but that was one of the most grueling things have ever done. Yeah, yeah you're now pretty much Quadrupling that distance, doing different modalities and racing it. Speaker 1: Yeah, what was? Speaker 3: that prep like. Speaker 1: Well, you pretty much just mimic the like. I was like completely different everyone else as well Like I didn't really train with a club, so everyone would train in clubs, yeah, and you know 20 of them might do a Saturday, i'm in session or whatever, but I just like, and I'd always think I was so competitive. I think you know I'm not gonna show everyone what I've got, kind of thing, and I'll just do it by myself, but I'd swim with the group in the morning, but it just consists of, yes, swimming like four times a week, paddling every afternoon and neither doing gym or running during the day, and then every Saturday I just sort of like mimic the course. So it like the real course is 46k or something, yep, so I might be a third, like I might just change it to be 30k or whatever, but I'd always do the whole course, probably twice before the race. Speaker 1: And That was when my mom sort of took me and my dad, my brother, because the first year Me and my brother couldn't really train together after that and we sort of, yeah, so he would go off doing his thing and then mum would take me. So I was like little mum as boy. Yeah, mum would take me and she'd basically just drop me off at like surface and then pick me up it. Well, pick my ski up at Cooling Gatta and then I'd swim to like Balinga and then she'd meet me at Balinga, give me a water and then I'd run here. Then she'd meet me there and just follow me up the coast. Speaker 3: Yeah, So your whole life you've been doing these endurance Sports pretty much. Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, well, yeah, that will 19 is pretty young to do that, yeah. And then, um, yeah, just kept on sort of doing it And obviously I love to, why I'm in like I thought that was like those guys were the pinnacle of endurance athletes, so like I wanted to sometime get into that, but that's a tough sport as well. Speaker 3: I guess, yeah, what's the comparison like between what you were doing with the new train stuff and cool and get a goal to then do, and Kona, which is, you know, arguably one of the most Challenging endurance events on the planet? Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, like I loved it, i love watching it and I love those those guys. But it is um like riding's, just like, so Tastes 180 kms or something, isn't it? Speaker 1: But yeah, yeah, but like there's just the training for it. Like it is, you got to be like a different sort of person to train, like that, like they just spent so many hours on the bike and I love running, but yeah, the writing's tough. And then you're like you got to do a lot of travel as well. I know I just love home, i love staying on the Gold Coast. Like those guys are just all over everywhere traveling. But then like obviously I was just like I just got bought up in the surf like doing that, so I'd get into like the triathlon thing and I'd do it, and then I'd always just miss home And Shannon was still racing then and like my friends that I'm like swimming with are still racing and it was just so easy to Say on that next year I'm gonna. And when other people win stuff as well, you're like I can beat them, like I'll go back, so you just want to go back and do it again. Speaker 1: Yeah, so I'd always sort of go back And sort of get back into it, but yeah so, but still, in saying that, like the only difference is like I think what's so good about like Ironman is like power to weight, like athletes are very, very good, like you can obviously Like swim really well, paddle really well, you could go into the gym and still, you know, do you know lift weights and stuff well, and then, whereas like a triathlete they're probably not gonna do, like they can run and cycle and stuff, but they're probably not gonna get up and do you know 20 pull-ups or 30 pull-ups, something like it's a different. Like yes, clubbies are like very good power, weight and obviously having surf knowledge and stuff like that is a skill as well. Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, definitely. So that probably ties into There's two things on our set. Your first, so you were the first person to hit five cool and get a gold. Yeah. And then is it Ali. Ali day Ali day is now got seven. Yeah, does that sort of reignite, the hunger for you to do a couple more and No, not really like. Speaker 1: I like Ali, like he's easy, because if I didn't like him, yeah yeah, right but he's super nice and I get along with him well. And I know, like now, when I sort of when I was younger, like I just wanted to win like artists, and I thought You know, like I deserve to win, like if like why no one else should win, i should win. It's like a selfish way of like going into things. Speaker 1: But, then I sort of got older. I was like if someone beats me, then that's fine, like they deserve to beat me obviously. Like I'm training my heart. As they can beat Me, then that's fine. So you know, i know how hard Ali trains. But I think if we went against each other, like at our best, it would have been a very good race, like it would have been really, really good. That's what I sort of Would, if I anything like regret or something like that, not even for anyone to watch, like just for me. That's what it like I just love that stuff. Like it would be like the pinnacle of just like two guys going out of the best at that, yeah, and it would be like a tough thing, like I love that toughness of like the last bit and it's just like I don't know Whoever's the toughest wins the weather race really starts ahead, head starts to happen. Speaker 3: What I'm? I read a quote in I can't remember what I did, close reading but it's like you've got a reputation as someone who likes to suffer when racing and training and you can push yourself through pain barriers like few others. Where did that come from one? is that true? Speaker 1: I'd say yeah, i think so, like and yeah, and I don't know I'd say it wasn't, but for sure, even doing the pullout records and stuff like that, i think I Don't know. Speaker 1: I think I think I've got like different qualities in me that I'm get me there like I'm super OCD about stuff as well. Like if I say I'm gonna do something, i have to do it. Like if I'm saying, okay, tomorrow I'm doing 2000 pull ups and I gotta lunch and have like eight beers or whatever, like I'll do the The other yeah, yeah, fifteen hundred in the afternoon, like otherwise I'll just think like something's weird, like I just have to do it. So with training it was really good because I was like so OCD and I'd write everything out and stuff like that. But, um, yeah, i think definitely Just racing the other guys, why I don't think when I was at my best, guys couldn't beat me when it come to the end. Just because I don't know, i just always had that Toughness and even just doing the pull-up records, like I've torn my bicep five hours into doing the 12 hour record and stuff And I knew I got through it and stuff like, whereas I know that not many people can do that, like they sort of they make excuses or they, yeah, or you know they'll do it next time or something like that. Speaker 1: Or, as I don't really, it's just, i don't know. It's like a me thing. I don't really care when anyone out like I'm not really impressing anyone, i just like it. If it's a challenge in my head and I want to do it, then that's like, that's it for me, kind of thing, like I don't need other. If you're just doing it to impress other people, i think that's it's not enough to make you really push through. Speaker 1: Yeah, like that's why Instagram so bad and stuff, because everyone just wants a photo on Instagram. They just want to like put their video on Instagram and they don't really care about what it really is like really winning the race or whatever. They just want to run, a think they're the best. Yeah, i'm a thing, yeah, and yeah, like that's not enough. Like I'd say to all my mates like they want to run or whatever, but they just want to run so I can post on Instagram. They did 15k today or something. I'm saying, like you run for like two months, but you can't post anything on Instagram. Like, don't post it just door for you, because if you do for you, like you'll probably keep going, but if you're not doing it, so everyone thinks you're doing this then it's not enough to really get the motivation to do it. Speaker 3: Yeah it definitely impacts your performance as well. If you're doing it for social media, you're not running as hard because you're trying to get your camera out, or yeah, yeah, yeah. Speaker 3: I often think about The athletes of today, like, for example, you look at some of the greatest right, like Federer and Nadal. Then you got Ronaldo, messi and LeBron and all these people across yourself and Ali, like across different sports. There's always like some great rivalries and in today's world, social media sort of takes you away from your obligations as an athlete. It's like you're an athlete but now you got to do all these media things and all the all the you know this paid posts on Instagram, which takes you away from developing your craft and I want you. Speaker 3: We'll see in the future, athletes will never reach the heights of all the domination of, you know, the woods, and all of that because of the distraction of social media. And Obviously it provides other opportunities, but from a pure athletic Output yeah impact that yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Speaker 1: I just love old-school stuff really. I've always, always loved that side of thing and even like the training like artists. I love running back streets and everything, like all our artists loves. Like I don't know I think I was what I said like Thing like Asperger's or something they said like you kind of got asked about a weird or around too many people sometimes. Like I like being yeah by myself and I think that's why I got so into insurance stuff, because you just spend so much time by yourself like you can you know You're running 30k every second day or you know in 2000 pull-ups by myself and I'm like I just like that Yeah have you ever felt weird about that? Speaker 3: because I can relate a lot to that. I do a lot of endurance stuff and I just love being by myself and people always were like let's do a group, this group. I'm like I can do that, maybe once a month. Speaker 1: Yeah, the rest of the time, just let me do my yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, and I like yeah, but I hate it. Like I'm and I'm nice and I want to talk to people and stuff, but like I don't know, it's just like taxing, yeah the thing and um, yeah, it's like you're thinking about that too much, whereas like even in sport, like I just love like Sport and health and stuff like that, to me It's like my thing, it's not really other people's thing kind of thing, like I don't really doing it to. I'd rather go and have a beer and I can have beer with like those six guys It'd be the best. But yeah, when it comes to what it doesn't really mix, yeah me kind of thing. Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, like I like the intense side of it, whereas I like if I was training with another person that was intense, like that would be cool, yeah, but when it's like a full social thing, it's just, it makes me weird man, i'm the exact same. Speaker 3: It's always thinking about, like, the intent of training and I don't want to sit down in gas bag because I only have You know X amount of hours to train or an hour to train. So I want to maximize that and depending on what I'm training for any given time. I don't want people who can be like oh, check this on Instagram or if I can be in the hype people, i'm like I don't want your hype like last year I am. Speaker 3: We were talking about Guinness World Record and you were talking about how strict they were. I Did the 30 marathons in 30 days and broke the record, but then, when they asked for the submission again, i didn't Calibrate the rower. Okay, the whole. Thing. Yeah, even though I logged everything. So I was like that bummed, but I'm like I still know I did. Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what I mean. Even like that, like It's nice and obviously people it just Validates it, having like Guinness World Record, like thing like that. But to me, just like when I finished the Guinness World Record, like that It's pretty much 90% Of like the end of what I wanted out of it, kind of thing Like I just wanted to me if I did it and like my mom saw it and like you know, my brother saw it and my friends saw it, and then that's it, like I don't really care that other people Need it, kind of thing like or see it. Speaker 3: Yeah, how do you go when you finish, like say, for example, when you've achieved all the world records that you've achieved, or one the cool and get a golds? do you sort of Sit down and think about how good you are, or you're already thinking about the next challenge for yourself? a bit of both. Speaker 1: No, i like the well, the cooling out of go, the best thing. What I always thought, like winning the race and stuff, like it's just. And people sort of say like like my life and job is easy, really, like I didn't have a job, like You, just you're doing whatever you want and I enjoyed training, like swimming sucked, like That wasn't fun and I hate the cold, but everything else is good. So like I wanted to do that, like I wouldn't like even if I wasn't really getting paid to do it, i still would have done it. Like so it was like that's why I like I just think like money was free, kind of thing, because like I was, you're getting paid to do something that you loved, kind of thing. Speaker 1: Yeah but um, yeah, so like what was the question? Speaker 3: Oh, it's just I kind of remember, but that's yeah, yeah, um. Speaker 1: I bet it like the cooling out of gold, yeah. So like what I would sort of think was the best thing about it was like like an oil That's why I love like Conor McGregor and stuff like that, because like to deal with pressure is like the hardest thing for sure. Like when I like I won the cooling out of gold when I was 19 and like I went pretty well in winning it, kind of thing. You can see, you didn't just fluke it. And then I was like when I got older, obviously I got a bit bigger and I look fitter and stuff like that. So when I was like 22, 23, 24, whatever doing the cooling out of go, everyone just expected me to win. Like I think even like on the odds, i was like a dollar or seven or something to win like I was super like I don't think you get bet on it like I was. I was like super favorite kind of thing. Speaker 1: But like Everyone else thinks they can win, like he's, even my mates and stuff like that would get so competitive, whereas I wasn't as like Just like they were like crazy, like a few of them like crazy competitive, so like they wouldn't even talk to me, like with a little bit leading into it, because that try my sort of hate each other and stuff. But um, like nothing helps, like odds don't help you when you're on the line and all these guys are good, like if I'm on an off day and I lose, then you know, like you just like everyone just thinks you blew it. Like you're not, yeah, good, and like last time was it fluke or something like that. But when, like you deal with when you got that amount of pressure on you and you're on the line, not think about it, i'll be on the line, i just think like no one else can help me, like all I've got to do in the next four hours, it's beat everyone else. Speaker 1: Like and I'd say when I coach, like I've got a lot of few things like over the years, but dealing with that pressure and then winning, like it wasn't even winning, it was just like you dealt with the pressure and you went. You know You did that for four hours and beat everyone like that was the biggest thing and I think, like a lot of like you know Guys, like in your corner of McGregor, israelis, anja and stuff, like to deal with that amount of pressure and go out there in front of like Everyone and that's that's like in front of the world, and do what they're meant to do, like that's the hardest thing. Just winning is not that hard. Speaker 3: How do you manage that? because a lot of people will be listening to this and Pressure comes in all areas of life, but you run a business now as well. But even Back, when you were competing hard out or you know you're doing your pull-ups on the today show, where there's Millions of people watching how did you handle that pressure? Speaker 1: Yeah, well, it's. Speaker 1: Yeah, the station was just gonna throw in the deep end really like you got to just do it like, and you got to be like obviously Fortunate that you got that opportunity and stuff and like obviously you're comp. I think that's why you know MMA fighters and stuff, like they don't believe they're gonna lose, like that's the thing, that there's no in their head that they're gonna lose. So they just go into it with like a full-on confidence, no matter what they're winning. But whereas I would sort of think like these guys can beat me, like they fully can, like they they might be big, like there's different aspects In the race that they're better than me, and but I'd have a plan and I'd sort of know like I don't know, in the end I know like it would just be like work and that's why you know, like I would just know I trained harder than them, like I for sure did, like there's no way they trained harder than me and even for the pull-up thing, like there's no way and it like I could say this that's why I'm like help people with pull-up stuff, because you're still not gonna train harder than me. Speaker 1: Yeah, like cuz I'm like crazy about it, like I'm obsessed with it, you're still not gonna do it. Like you're not gonna be able to run 30k and then do pull-ups. The next they do 2000. Next day run 30k because you might want to do it But your body is not gonna let you do it. Like you'll injure yourself. You'll, you know, get shin splints or whatever like that. I've been through all that in my past. Speaker 1: So, I'm able to do it and I know these other people aren't able to do it. I don't think. And you got to be like super, i don't know. You got to be the right weight like your body. It's just got to be like perfect to be able to do something like that. If you're too heavy, you're gonna tell your bicep You're gonna do all sorts of stuff. So I just know like the training I do is Better and harder than everyone else. So when you get on the race you should be out of wind. But that's what's so hard about so far Same because you're in waves and stuff. So you don't. You don't get what you deserve all the time, whereas the cooling out of gold you get. It was a long race, so, yeah, you get what you deserve. Speaker 3: A few things you touch on which a lot of people don't Pay attention to is the years of you know you were doing Ironman and stuff from a young age and all of that Adds to what you're able to do now. A lot of people just go I'm going to be. I remember when I finished rugby and I got into CrossFit I was I'm going to make the games in a year, hopefully discredit it. Speaker 3: Every other athlete, yeah yeah yeah, because my own ego and obviously some skills are transferable, but you got to put the time and some people are being weightlifting and doing various things for decades And that's what we don't look at in order for you to achieve what you've done, like the amount of what's your record for 24 hours. It's like 7000. Speaker 1: I did 7,620 for 24. My eight hour record was the best I think like to me. Speaker 3: Is that 4,710? That? Speaker 1: was the best record for eight hours I broke that down. Speaker 3: That was 588 an hour, 10 a minute for eight hours, that's insane. Like anyone listening, go try to do 10 chin ups now for five minutes. Speaker 1: 10 chin ups Like even yeah, like even fire, like I did in a lot of training sessions. I'd do five hours, 10 minutes for five hours and that was all right, But the last three hours is a different thing. Like even the hour record, wasn't that? Speaker 3: So talk us through that, like what starts hurting most, what's going on in your head, your hands, for sure. Speaker 1: Yeah, like the last hour my hands were like horrible. Like I was like physically I was good And like I could do the pull ups. Like I was like physically I was sweet. But like the last hour, like my hands were really bad, like the like it's kind of gross, but it was 1000% what happened. Like I could feel the skin of my hand like separated from like the meat of it, so like when I was on the bar I could feel like it's slide like a centimeter off the side And my skin would stay on the bar but my meat was sliding across, like it just all separated from my hand, like it's just like a big, like like boil blister kind of thing And it just yeah, it was. That was the worst, even all the 24 hour ones wasn't as bad as that. Speaker 1: Oh no, that's the thing, like you just got to do And you can get through it. You just got to like it's just like one, one more, like one more time at it, like it hurts and hurts, like you do another 10. And then you sit down, you're like I can't do anymore, i can't do anymore. Then you have 20 seconds and you go, i'll do one more, one more, one more, one more. Speaker 3: But things like that that separate you from other people, having to crack at it Cause I know full well so many people would be like I'm giving up my you know my hand's going to be ruined forever, or bringing up multiple excuses. When I was around the marathons, my knee felt like this big chunk of rub. Every movement It was just like yeah, yeah, and it was. That was like that from day 20. I was like I'm fucked here, but I'm just going to see what happens until it fully breaks And then two days later, after I finished, it was fine again. Speaker 3: It's funny how quickly your body can repair as well when you're looking after nutrition, hydration, all the recovery components of things as well. Yeah, Yeah, In the Dr Hydrate video, one thing that I've never heard anyone say and I was listening to this this morning while I was walking to the gym was you say to your clients or people that you coach. I wish there's always these moments after you've competed in something or completed something. I wish I could do that again. Yeah, and you're encouraging people to think about that before they even start. Speaker 1: Yeah, i think that was one of the biggest things I learned. Yeah, i'd know just cause especially having like it was bad having Shannon like racing with me because I put so much I would put cause I honestly like I liked winning and stuff but I wanted him to win more than me because he loved it so much. Like he was obsessed with surf like Ironman like and everyone. He was older and he was like the guy and like I was the cooling out of gold guy at that stage. But Nutri Grain, he was like everyone thought he was like the best kind of thing. Speaker 1: So I knew and I'd see all the pressure he had on him And whereas I didn't really have pressure on me in the Nutri Grain, so like the year I won it, it was longer races and people sort of thought I was going to go well, so I'd see all the pressure on him, so I'd get in races and I'll just be looking where he was to like, see, you know, and try and get him to win, kind of thing. So that like I put a lot of pressure on him and I like it. So it took the pressure off me, but yeah at all. But then when you know I really wanted to win races and like when he retired and stuff like that, i think a big thing, like, and like I said to those kids and it makes you deal with losing as well, like because if you just go into a race and you're like I'm going to win this, and then you don't, and then you obviously you're upset and you're disappointed or whatever. You wake up the next morning and you're like like I wish I could just do that again. But I'd sort of yeah, i told these kids. Speaker 1: I was like, wake up on the morning, you know, if you're racing on Sunday afternoon. Wake up on Sunday and think you've lost it, like you've already done that race, you're lost, like you're not going to get another chance at it. You lost, you got second, you got third, you got whatever it is, it was the Monday morning, that's Monday morning. You lost. And then think I know I've got one more chance at doing it. Like I get another chance at doing it and I get to race and I'm just going to put everything in it, nothing else matters. And like I'm so lucky that I get another chance to like redeem that loss or whatever, and then sort of stand on the line, like I said with the cooling out of gold, like I'd sit and I'd look at the sand on the line And I just think, like no one else helps me, like I've got to do it all myself. Nothing else matters except these next four hours. Speaker 1: If, like, and if I don't do it in the next four hours, then I'm not good enough, like that's it, like you deserve to lose, kind of thing. And yeah, that's what I'd say to those kids I coach like stand on the line, don't go around running around with your friends 10 minutes before it, or whatever. Just sit down, think about what you got to do And then on the line, just think no one else helps you in the next 15 minutes of this race. You just got to do your best and make no mistakes And you lose, you lose. If you win, you win. And then you can wake up Monday morning and you're not going to think, oh I wish I had another chance at this, because you're like you've already got another chance. You're not going to get two chances Like, yeah, and I think that helped a lot and it makes you just deal with losing as well 100%. Speaker 3: Do you use that in other areas of your life as well? Speaker 1: I don't have that many areas of my life. Speaker 3: So for me this morning when I was walking to the gym, i was, i was just looking at it as a day in the life of it in general, because there's so many days that we just let the day. you know, most people aren't intentional with it, they're just like, oh, i can wake up, go to work come home, go to sleep, rinse and repeat, and it's like now that I'm 32. now I'm like I always wish I could go back to when I was 25. And when I was 25, i thought I was old. Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, and it's like I wish I could go back to 21. And it's like, well, when you said that this morning, i was like I got to really appreciate where I'm at now, because there'll be a time when I'm 40 and 50 and I wish I was 32 again. So, looking at myself and I'm 40 or 50, what would I want to be really doing now? And I struggle with at the moment, running the company that we have. A lot of people are like you need to keep scaling your business. It's really important to set yourself up financially, but what really drives me is very similar to you. I love just pushing myself and I don't do it for anyone else. Like I ran a marathon my first marathon a month ago, and I didn't do any marathon, i just got up and ran it for myself because I wanted to see what that feels like. Yeah. Speaker 3: And it's just for me And that's what drives me is training for stuff like that. Yeah. But then you got people in your ears going man, what are you doing that for? That's not improving your life. I'm like I fucking love it at the moment. Speaker 3: And there'll come a time where I can't do that because my body's, i'm too old. But you can always make more money. Yeah, that's one thing that's guaranteed So for you. Oh sorry, going back to where I was going with that is when you said that. That slapped me in the face this morning as like, yeah, for sport, but just for life in general. It's like think about today. If you were yourself tomorrow, would you maximize today's what you're doing right now, how you'd want to be spending your time? because if it's not, what can we start doing to start changing that? Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's just like, um, like, and that's the difference We were talking about. David Goggins, yeah, and that's the difference between someone like that, like people have different priorities in their life. Like, and obviously for me, like, even if sport wasn't like, i just love training so much And, like you said, it's an addictive thing. Like I would get I'd run 32 K like on a Tuesday and just the last eight K I'm just like eight K from home. I'm like I don't know how I'm going to get home, like I'll just like because you don't like I probably didn't eat or whatever And like. But then you get home and you just like, like you feel like you want to race and it's like Tuesday at 1030 in the morning, like it's the best feeling in the world, it's like full on, like a drug, like, and I'm addicted to that. Speaker 1: Like it's like, and you're just sitting at home and no one else knows what you did, but you're just like, like I don't know how I got back. Speaker 1: Like yeah, but like that sort of stuff, like I'm addicted, but to me that's that's what I sort of loved And like I had challenges to do that led to that. Like now, obviously you got like a business stuff and everything like that. But you know, like people you might just be an accountant, like, and just be the best accountant. Like obviously sport isn't your thing, like obviously keep fit and healthy because that's like a good thing to do. But like in some you know you might be a doctor or a surgeon or a lawyer or whatever. you just got to, like you know, prioritize what your thing is and just try and be the best at that. And I think, like everyone has different things. Like that, and if you do like what you're passionate about, like you know, but someone like David Goggins would say, like you know what excuse you could get up at 330 in the morning and go run 20k and you're like, well, he's a surgeon working at 7am. Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure that's not going to work out. Not everyone has to do that Like, but his thing is to be an accountant or whatever. So, like I, and like a lot of people surprised because they think, oh, you're an athlete, you did these world records, like you're like that's so cool And you're like tough and everything like that. But to me, like to be an accountant, you know, going to work at 7am, going home at 6am, that's heaps harder to me. Like what I did was easy, like I'll go for a run or whatever Now I can watch a movie after. Like it's not that hard. Like obviously the hardest bit was like those pressure moments, like they're the hardest bits. Like I think like if you're like you win something, you go and you got all these people expecting you to win and you feel like you got a lot of pressure. That's the hard bit about being like an athlete. But everything else, like you're doing what you sort of enjoy doing, like it's like people have different things. Speaker 3: Like you said before, when you train for something long enough, it shouldn't necessarily be as challenging as maybe someone who's never attempted it before. Like for you. they're cool and got a goal. You've been training for years for it. You've done it multiple times, so for me to go, fuck it's hard. You're like nah. Yeah yeah, yeah, but it's just yeah, it's different. Speaker 1: Like in your head it's a sprint kind of thing, like it's 46k, but like there's different moments of it and it's sprinting, like the first 3k is sprinting, like it's like the first 3k is like the race is 3k, like that's how fast it is, like it's a sprint. And then you know, like I just know there's weak spots in the race and in those weak spots I'll be sprinting. You know, coming out of the water in the swim I'll sprint that first 2k like it's 2k run. So there's like different. You break it up into different bits and there's nothing you're scared of like along the way kind of thing. Speaker 1: And yeah, like I'm not always sad because I love training and I would run and I'm always training by myself. But like I would always think if someone can, like if I and it's bad because I'd lose but if I was in that last 10k and someone broke me and ran away from me, like to me, like that would be something I would remember forever And I like to love that stuff. If I can remember that forever and I'm like that was like something, like that was really like meaningful to me And there might just be someone that drops me like I don't know, and that's like the opposite of winning You lost, but still like it's moments like that, like character building moments, that like they're not necessarily bad, like it's um, yeah, i don't know that sport, like you want to experience sort of everything And I think losing is you just can't win all the time, otherwise it's boring, yeah. Speaker 3: Do you have a moment that stands out for you in your racing career where someone broke you and it still sort of sits there with you? Speaker 1: Um, no, not really. The worst year I had was after the record, when I did the New York one. I tore my bicep and then I like, and I should have done it, but I was a bit cocky, um, so I did the record on the 9th of October and then the Cooling out of gold was like three weeks later, like the whatever everything. And I did the record in New York and I tore my bicep and then I was sponsored off Q scan. So he like scanned my arm like four times a week for the next two weeks And he said, like how are us? His name is, um, he said you shouldn't do it And I just thought I could do it. Speaker 1: I thought, no, i'm sweet, like it'll be right, and I didn't really train. And then I did it and it didn't turn out well, like I had to pull out and stuff. And I was super ups because, like obviously I thought like Yeah, i was tough and I can get through it. And yeah, it didn't work out. Yeah, that was. And then I did the whole series that summer and I pulled out of like two races, like the first two races of that Cause. Speaker 1: I just kept on going Like I did that Never, let it just have to happen, like the series might have started in November, and I, yeah, i just kept going. I just did like it wasn't that bad, like I'd still go and just paddle around training, but I couldn't race with everyone And I just did. You know the pull up record as well, so I'm guessing that would have took a toll on doing something completely different. Speaker 1: You probably not like. cause the guys are like you know that's when, like you got Shannon Zane, holmes, kai Hurst, you got you know good feels. Those guys are going to smoke you If you're not you know at your best for that you can't go and try and do pull up record or run a marathon and do clubbies Like if you try and do all these different things you're just going to be mediocre at everything kind of thing. Speaker 3: Did that impact you mentally, that that season, especially where you had to pull out of multiple races and stuff? Speaker 1: Yeah, it's just, I just get embarrassed, Yeah, Like, especially like what we wrote that like. Yeah, It's like sulky kind of things, My brother like win over to pull it out, I mean WA like eating a burger at lunch and I'm just like you just feel embarrassed kind of thing And you just like what like? and you just think you don't have it as well, Like cause you just don't know. But then I think after like a few seasons, after that, like obviously I went well or maybe the next season or whatever, But yeah, cause obviously you know like I've got such a family thing of watching us, like my mom would come to every race, My auntie would come to every race or my cousin No, me and my brother are the guys that do the Ironman stuff and everyone's watching. Speaker 1: So you just feel like you're sort of like yeah, it's just embarrassing, Yeah. Speaker 3: How'd you bounce back from that then, like mentally? Speaker 1: I just I don't know You just train and get better. And obviously training with. Like then we were better, me and my brother, at training together, like at the end of our sort of careers we were really good at working together and training together and stuff, and I've just got like it's obviously the best in the world to train with. So if I know I'm going well, compare to him And like I was just always like swimming's the hardest thing, like if you can get, and I think that's why I was so good at the cooling out of gold and stuff, because every morning in the pool like I didn't talk to anyone And like no matter what, i led every. So like in swimming if you're leading it's kind of harder. Like you're like the guy that jumps in first is usually the quickest in the lane, kind of thing, and if you go second you're like 10 seconds behind but you're swimming in their wash a little bit. Speaker 1: So you can drag the long and the thirds even easier, force even easier, perfect. So everyone yeah, that's what I mean Everyone tries to go at the back, like all they're like, you know, once everyone's jumping in there, oh, i'm just gonna give me five minutes, just me, pull up there and they jump in the back, whereas I'd like, and that's why, like, because I was just like a little bit, i'll just get like angry. Even training, i'll just get angry. So I just walked straight to the front. Every single morning I'll jump in the front. Jump in the front not to lead the whole session. Lead the whole session. So, like you get a good gauge of how you're going when you're at swimming, just leading 6K, you know, four times a week and you're swimming in the back, you're swimming well and you just you're just getting tougher and tougher and tougher and tougher, just not shying away from the challenge. Speaker 3: I think that's epic. Like we all try to take those corners. I'm guilty of it, like there's days where you wake up and you're like, oh, a bit tired So I'll just jump in the back. Or whatever it is. But I think that's where you get to really test or even continue to build your characters, where you know what you should be doing. So fucking do it Yeah. Speaker 1: That's. Speaker 1: That's well, that makes the um, makes the champions. Speaker 1: Pretty much is that sort of especially like I was lucky as well, cause Dean Mercer, who I raced against so many years in the cooling out of goal, like he was crazy as well And like he was good, like I'll give it to him, but before, like especially for the cooling out of goal, like I'm pretty sure even sometimes like he would just stay like in his own apartment, like away from his family and stuff, like on the sunshine coast training and stuff. Speaker 1: He was like obsessed with it And I love that. Like I'll use such a hard trainer but he would take one easy option now, cause I'll lead everything like the warmup to the end. So you do about a three K warmup, maybe three K main set, and get out, but he would always turn up, you know, 10 minutes late and then just like swim the warmup in the back. But then when we started that main set he would just walk to the front, just kick whoever was leading and just go to the lane next to me, just so he would race me for the main set every morning. Speaker 1: So like four times a week we would just race each other And he was like you didn't have the best technique, but he was so fit and he was a gun. Like you know, every Wednesday morning we'd do 10, 400 main set And it was just like 10, 400 is like medium rest, just all hard. And that was like every Wednesday and he'd just go on the lane next to me And I just knew it was like it was like anxiety of knowing that's coming up every week, sort of thing. And then we would just go against each other every single time. So we just got so fit and so like hard going against each other And then we'd race each other every cooling out of gold And um, and he was so intense, like he would like yeah, he wouldn't really talk to you before and stuff, and it was like you didn't really like him or he didn't really like you. Speaker 1: But then after the race, like I would have a party at you know our house And he would come to the party and have drinks and stuff, like at my place, like yeah, so he's really really good after. And that was, you know, he got second or whatever it was. So after the race he was like sweet, but he's just so intense going into it, which was like that's how I was, so like we were such good rivals And we super like. Obviously we'd do our interviews before it And you could see he loved me and I loved him. I respected each other, but when we were racing it was like you know he would yeah, he would murder you, but it was good, yeah. Speaker 3: How do you? what inspired you to want to start doing the pull up world records, and what did that? Um? Speaker 1: I don't know, Like I can't really pin, but I just knew I was good at it And I was always like light even in. That's why I was good at cooling out of God's, because I was so much like my brother's, like he's got big legs, He's got like a big ass on him And I've got like the smallest legs ever And, um, he's probably, you know, 10, 12 kilos when we were racing, heavier than me, like I was always the smallest guy which was hard to like in sprinty races and around the cans and stuff. I'd still, if you're still smacking but, um, yeah, So, but in the cooling out of God, then that's why I was. I was just so much lighter. Speaker 1: And then, um, obviously I was still strong. I was always like strong in the gym. And then I was just good at pull ups And I remember just Googling it and saw there's a world record And then that was whether it was a today show one in New York, And I thought I could do that And then I didn't really do much pull ups for it. I just did a couple hundred every afternoon after training and then went to New York and did the record. Speaker 3: Yeah, That's wild And obviously Goggins now is trying to. Speaker 1: Well, that's what he says. Speaker 3: There's no way he did it. Speaker 1: He said he did I don't know um 7,800 or something last month, but I didn't see anything. Like you, you think you had posted on social media or something like that Cause, is he going for an official record now? Speaker 3: Is he just I? Speaker 1: don't know. He said he did it like, oh, so many people tagged me in it That video he did. And, um, he said he did, yeah, 7,800 last month, saying but if you do the record, you have to put it like a live on the internet for people to watch and stuff like that. You have to post about it, like I don't think he posted about it at all. So, and in saying that you know he's a record, when I beat it, um, you did 4,030 and 24 hours or whatever. So 7,800 is a big jump. Not many people make a big jump like that. Yeah, but I hope he does it, it'd be good. Speaker 3: Will you go again? Speaker 1: Yeah, i think so. Yeah, Yeah, yeah, we're sort of planning it up now. Um, we'll see it, we'll see. I think I will Yeah. Speaker 3: How does it feel when it gets beaten, Like obviously you've had your, you've cause, you've got the one hour, eight hour, 12 hour 24 hour. Speaker 1: No, I don't have the 12 hour. I've got the one hour and the eight hour. Speaker 3: I see, don't have Not the 12. Did you have it at one point? Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, i had the 12 and the 24. But, um, yeah, if I do the 24 again, i don't I might do cause, yeah, i when I did the eight hours going to do the 12 hour and um Guinness World Record, i don't know how they're strict about it. They said you can't do both of them. Yep. Speaker 1: And um so, and the eight hour like I just that just worked where I was, the location 12, just seemed a little bit more boring. Eight was like, just get it done over eight hours. People will be there watching. So yeah, i just did the eight hour. But, um, the 24 hour is like. Obviously the one hour one's cool as well, but the 24 hour, if you just do do it, the 24 hour one be the next one. Speaker 3: Yeah, oh man, what's it? feel like having the record stripped or not stripped, but someone come along and beat it. Speaker 1: No, it's good Like that. Now I'm sweet with it. Like when that Jackson beat it, cause I knew he, like I heard he really liked me, yeah, and um, so I caught, like when he finished it, someone messaged me and said, oh, can you give him a call? and stuff like that. So I called him straight away and he was like like the nicest kid in the world, yeah, like he was so like stunned that I called him and stuff And cause, if you can do that, like you've put in so much work and like effort and like commitment to do it, Um, so like it's and it's hard, like even most people say like the training's like harder than actually doing it, but with the 24 hour, doing it's harder than the training for sure Like doing it. The last cause it's just like a I don't know. I think I could have probably did it better. The 24 one I did, like I just probably didn't have the best like scientific approach on eating and stuff, whereas I like people were giving me pasta and pizza and stuff And I was trying to do that while doing pull ups and I just ate. Nothing Like this guy saved me. He come from like Mount Tambourine or something And he said I saw I was watching it online or something. He wanted to give me like a jar of honey. And he gave me this jar of honey. This is awesome, that fully saved me, yeah, and I looked it up They're like 80 bucks Jars of honey. Like he was like a full fancy honey This this guy gave me. But if I didn't have that cause that last eight hours I was like no, even with the honey, i was screwed. Like I was so bad, yep, um, like I couldn't speak or anything like a physical, like you can't even explain, like a physically couldn't speak. And then, like my mom's a nurse and obviously I said I was sponsored off Q scan, so how, he's like a brain surgeon, he owned Q scan. I could see him and my mom talking over in the corner And I knew I was in a bad way, like like I couldn't even walk to the bar, like my mates had to like hold my shoulders to get me to the bar and stuff, and I was just doing the pull-ups and that sort of walked me back And I was just real hot and I just knew I wasn't good. And then I could see them talking. So I knew they were talking about me. So then I started to get real like emotional, cause I was thinking like my mom's like full worried about me, cause I could see she was just like like a ghost face kind of thing. And then I could see the ambulance were coming up the stairs and then they were waiting off to the side. So I was like like that people must be worried. And then, um, yeah, i ended up getting through it and I stopped maybe 45 minutes before the 24 hours. But then, cause the today show, i want to do an interview straight away and I couldn't speak, so I had to go down and go on a drip for like an hour And then I'll sweet after that. I was good About that. Speaker 1: Eight hours is like you would never, ever think your body could get to that. Like it was intense, but it was just like a. Obviously your body just like gets real sore, like everything hurts, like just touch that It hurts, everything hurts. Like straightening your arms hurt, but you just like, uh, you just have nothing in you, just depleted of everything. That's how you just feel. You just feel like air, like you depleted kind of thing. I think it's just not having calories cause you're just burning so many calories. But yeah, the honey saved me for sure. But like this time I'd probably like to like I don't know even gels like I didn't even do. Gels like something. Speaker 1: Nah, like yeah, i don't know, it's too old school. Sometimes I just like I don't talk to anyone. I'm just like no, i'll do this. And I thought I'll have a protein shake every two hours, like I think was my plan. And then, like people just gave me like pizza and stuff And I was trying to eat that but I bought. Speaker 1: You don't eat much and then you don't drink much as well because you think if you're drinking you're getting heavier and you're going to have to go to the toilet more. So you're just getting a routine of just doing nothing for like six hours and you just don't pull up. Six hours Then you'll have like a little sip of drink or something or you'll have like a bite of pizza and then all of a sudden you're 18 hours in and you're like gone. Yeah, but the first 18 hours are sweet. I was like so good, i was talking to everyone and that music going. But then that last bit, it just like it was like a wall. Yeah, so like that's talking to someone. Like Jackson, like you know, they went through that. Yeah, like it's a different thing to go through that And that's why everyone goes for the record. Really, like so many, you just tell, like I just tell when I hear him or whatever, like it's easy to do eight or 12 hours, like that's easy. It's that last bit that like separates, like the men from the boys. Speaker 1: That's how I say yeah. Speaker 3: Let's change it up a bit. Let's sort of dive into the entrepreneurial journey now. So you co-founder of a company, dr Hydrate, which put some stuff in here which is epic for the cameras That's a little book there How'd you go from? or what, i guess, made you want to dive into one co-founding a company, but also in the fitness space. Like, how did that all? Speaker 1: Yeah, well, it didn't really. It wasn't really a plan. This is like a legit story, it's a good story, like we're a brand, it's something that you think was made up but it's not. Yeah, so I knew Mark Weber from doing like the Mark Weber challenge and stuff like back in the day I'm in Tasmania, and then last before I did the hour record and the eight hour record last year because like and this is like the cool side behind like pull up stuff, like I was doing, just to start with I was just doing more pull like, like I said. Like I said I was a 2000. Speaker 1: If I did 2000 pull ups a day, i'd do that maybe seven days in a row. Some days I'd do 45,000 pull ups in the month or whatever. Like I think it was. I don't know how I worked that out, but I did 45,000 a month. But I started to like put on weight Like I was still super fit but like I was just a bit too like and like even like my mom and stuff would say can you look in like big or whatever. Speaker 1: And I could just feel my shirts were just like a little bit like tighter and stuff like that. And then I was just doing the pull ups and if I did 2000 or whatever, like my hands were just like fully like, just like my knuckles would be double or size, like easy double size, and I just couldn't straighten my fingers. Like my fingers are just like lock, like this, and like I was sort of committed to do the records and obviously no one really knows this, but like I was shitting myself. I was like I'm not going to be able to do this, like I can't do the training, like I couldn't straighten my fingers, i couldn't get them straight, and so I'd be icing my my hands at night and stuff. And I was just thinking, fuck, i need to change something here because I'm not going to be able to do it, And like I didn't tell anyone. And then I thought, okay, like I'll just lose weight, like I'll try and lose weight, so I think I'm too big. Like even I wasn't doing anything else except pull ups, but even just the pull ups was just putting on too much weight, kind of thing. So I started like doing all that, like I was still running then, but I started more running and I ended up getting to do I'll do maybe like 10,000 pull ups in the week and 100 K are running. So it was pretty much even even of running and pull ups, like running helps heaps. But then to like I thought I won't and I'm really good at not eating, like I am good at not eating. So I was thinking, okay, i'll just I won't eat till I finish training, like every day. So like my training was yeah, monday I do 2000 pull ups. Tuesday I'd run like 30 K and then do 500 pull ups Wednesday 2000 pull ups. Thursday, 30 K 500,. Friday, 2000 pull ups. Saturday, 30 K, 500. And then Sunday like a thousand pull ups. That was like my week And I did that like week after week over week over week. I got like super efficient at doing that And I wouldn't eat till I finished it like 2pm or whatever, and I was just mixing this drink. I was like, but I know I need stuff. So I was like thought I was like good at like Googling stuff. So I was like, okay, i get these vitamins and minerals and then like L-carnitine, it's good for like turning fat in energy and it's good for like cox. Speaker 1: I'm just cause, with pull ups as well, if you're doing 2000 pull ups, like you have to look at the clock. If you don't look at the clock, like time goes quicker, like if we were just like if I did my 10 pull ups or whatever, then we were talking to each other. All of a sudden I'd have to go up and do 10 more pull ups, whereas if I've got the clock down, i'm watching the seconds go. Time goes heaps slower. So for every day you got to watch the clock. And if you don't, if you just go on your phone and go on social media, all of a sudden, like your heart rates are so much higher, like it's so much harder But watching, so every day for two hours, 50, 2000 pull ups, you're just watching the ticking of the clock. Speaker 1: So I thought, okay, l-carnitine's, like this cognitive thinking thing. So I was like I'll put L-carnitine in it, put L-glutamine, vitamins and minerals, probiotics, stuff like that. And then I was like I'll drink a couple of caffeine. But we didn't put caffeine in Dr Hydrate. So like you know, like kids can have it or you can have it for your day or whatever. So we took that out. Speaker 1: But I was just making this drink and Mark Weber called me and I was talking to Mark Weber and he was. We were just talking about getting sponsors, initially for my records. And then I was saying how I was telling him that story about my knuckles and stuff And I was like, oh, i've made this like super drink, like it's like honestly, like I think this is the thing that helped me do all the training I've done. I was really eating anything. And then he was on. I told him, you know like what I was sort of my theory and what I was putting in it and stuff. And he was like, okay, cool, i'll, i'll give you call back next week about the sponsors and like a location to do the record and stuff. And I was like sweet, and then like two weeks passed and he didn't call me back and I was like he's fully flak me. Speaker 1: And then he called me back, like I remember as a Monday morning, and he was like, oh, you know, yesterday afternoon I was on the balcony. On the balcony with my next door neighbor, matt, and we were having a red wine and we were talking about you for three hours And he was like let's forget the sponsors, let's make this drink into a drink Like let's like work together. Here's a guy And he gave me this contact of a guy who he's now a really really good mate of mine And he was like the supplement guy and end up meeting him now with coffee. We had like eight beers together And I wrote down the ingredients of the drink and stuff And then, like a year and a half later, we pretty much had we were super lucky, i think we're like tasting everything. We sort of nailed it pretty quick. Speaker 1: And then, yeah, and then we made Dr Hydrate And because he sort of thought you know like and Matt, who's his next door neighbor, he's like the brains and he was just, you know, thought there's nothing like it out there, especially with, you know like, such minimal sugar and it's so good for you And especially now like everyone's becoming quite like health conscious on sugar and stuff. Speaker 1: Like like you know, not everyone's just drinking Gatorades anymore, Like builders and stuff like that. Well, a lot of them do drink that, And that's crap. Speaker 3: Dude, i wasn't going to mention the name, but yeah yeah, I was looking at Max that drink a couple of days ago, it's like four servings in one bottle and one serving is like 20 something grams. Yeah. There's so much shit in it. Yeah. And there's four servings in one of those bottles. I was like holy shit. Speaker 1: Yeah, i think it's just so cheap and it's so big and they're going to have It's like the black and gold of the day and just like drink that. Speaker 1: But even that, like, as my sister's husband's a builder and I know when she first like, when I first like met him or whatever, um they he'd be talking about having, you know, like those scallops and chico rolls and stuff like that every day, but like he's even he's more like health conscious with it And he has Dr High like every day at the building site. So, and it does make you feel better, like, just most of those drinks is just, you know, sodium and glucose, really. So, um, literally yeah. Speaker 1: Yeah, so like, whereas the ours is everything like it's, that's what it is Like, kind of like the all in one. Where do you buy it? Speaker 1: It's mainly online. Now We're getting like a whole bunch of wholesalers but the easiest spots online. But then, yeah, we're in like nutrition warehouse heaps of sort of like recovery labs like all around Australia. Like they're really good, because obviously, like most people like like pretty much everyone loves it, they love the taste of it. So like, if they're in a recovery lab and they're like pushing it, telling people like they genuinely say it's so good, it's really good for you, then, like a lot of people sort of take it like for me to tell you it's the best, like obviously it's just it's my drink, whereas if other people tell you it's the best, then it like means more. Yeah. Speaker 1: But um so those places. But we'll keep on expanding and getting it out in all the big ones soon. Speaker 3: So it's exciting. How does it feel having created this, like it's pretty insane to have, yeah, the stories the stories. Speaker 1: Well, that's what I mean, like it's like formulating it Yeah. Like the story behind it is actually cool, um, and then obviously it's sort of cause. That's how, even with the like cooling out of golds and stuff like that, like I think I'm good at having a car, i need to do this at this date And I've got this Like amount of time to do it. Yep. Speaker 1: And if it's a drink or if it's training or whatever it's like like making a program to get there, kind of thing, like I think that's what I'm good at, um, making a thing to get there. And like, for that drink it was like I can't into 2000 pull ups and you had to run. Obviously I need to be like super lean but I need to have like all the vitamins and minerals to replenish my body without the like the sugar and everything to get to where I want to be. So it's like, yeah, it's like a, i know, like a blueprint of getting there And I think, yeah, so that's sort of like the drink version of it, yeah, whereas like they're the training side of it. And even that's when I did the first pull up record, like no one had broken it down in a minute. So when I went on the today's show, all these people saw I was doing pull ups every minute but no one even thought of that. Speaker 1: They just, like everyone else, just started with 15 and then next time went 15, the next time went 12 and then all of a sudden at the end they don't want them. Slight sort of thing. Like no one thought, oh, if I needed to 4030 and I've got 12 hours, then the easiest like way of doing that is just splitting it up in the minutes and doing it. But no one thought of it. Like I'm pretty good at like, because I'm good at like, I'm good, i'm a good judge of sport like even like even you know surf life, saying whatever, like betting and stuff like that. I'm like I can see conditions and see that guy and say, okay, shana's gonna win this or the other one, zanehame's gonna win this. Like I'm a good judge of that and yeah, so with that I'm a good judge of if I can do it or not, like. And even the hour record, like breaking it up into minutes was too much so you had to do in 30 seconds and stuff like that was the easiest way to do it. And then that's why often you know everyone started doing it and then everyone thinks it's easy, everyone's like oh you just have to do that much in a minute so then, everyone's Speaker 1: like I remember one guy did it up sick there and he was like, and even just saying this, i was like there's no way he's gonna do it because this dude respects no one. He was like I'm not just gonna beat Kane, i'm gonna smash him. When he said this, i was like he's not gonna do it because, like that's easy to say. Like if you were really gonna do it you wouldn't say that yeah. And then the dude did like 2000, pull it out, and something like that. Speaker 3: Karma, but obviously, as you continue to push boundaries physically and also now in the business field, what does success look like for you now and what are like the next goals or challenges you're chasing? Speaker 1: Well, for this, like obviously I love sport and I've got so many friends that play sport, so that's why the cool side because I work with this now is just and it's crazy how many athletes want to use it. Like they contact like me and like they say, oh, can I like, can I use this sort of thing? and I'm like, yeah for sure, like I love that sort of thing, like you know, if it's an MMA fighter, as a pool swimmers or track athletes or whatever, like like helping them sort of, because that like I don't know, having goals and stuff like that and dreams and everything, like it's such a like a hard, like it's. Oh no, it's pretty unique. I was even talking to a kid that we sponsored this or we were the hydration drink for this surfing event a couple weeks ago and it was called. It was Surfing's Queen in the State of Origin event and this Maddie Jobs his name is. He got a perfect 10 in the final and won it for Queensland yep and just everyone in the like on Burley Point went crazy. Speaker 1: Everyone he's on that 22 or something like that. I remember saying to him I was like mate, like no one experiences that like you're super, like humble about it and stuff like that. Speaker 1: But you got to like just like enjoy it and know how like unique that is that everyone was cheering you on and you got like a perfect 10 in the final to like win things like that. Speaker 1: Like like that sort of stuff in sports, like priceless kind of thing. Like obviously winning olympics stuff like that is like awesome. But just to like deal with pressure and then having that and just having everyone cheering you on, so just to like help athletes get to like that stage and like supporting them as well, because I know when I was, you know, having people support me, it's like it was such a big thing so you can't do it without it. Like it's you just can't do it like you have to get a job. But um, so, yeah, like having people enjoy the drink, especially like every day. Obviously, every day people like I said to you, like you know, my sister's like a teacher and stuff like that, and I thought that's why I wanted to make it the way it was and take out caffeine and stuff, because I want school teachers to be able to have two a day or whatever, or builders be able to have it and stuff like that. Speaker 1: But, um, so having people enjoy it, helping athletes and stuff for me like that, like the business side of it, sort of like leave to the other guys a little bit like they can make the decisions, tell me what to do, yeah, but um, yeah, i'm also the the sport side and just everyone have it, like everyone using it, like it'd be so cool to go to America and have you know like football players in America use it and like you know, everyone use it, and obviously it helps hangovers too. Yeah, we all need that. Help people get rid of their head that's nice. Speaker 3: One final question you got a lot of things going on um business wise and also with your physical challenges. How do you balance, like that, work life balance and also your mental health, while pursuing all of this sort of stuff, dealing with pressure, putting your body under so much stress um? Speaker 1: what's hard, like definitely the start, like you just got to, not um sort of put some pressure on yourself. I think, like everyone, like life's tough, like I know that, like everyone has. Like everyone thinks everything's perfect, but it's not. Speaker 1: Like even you know guys that have everything, like some of the richest people in the world are the most depressed people like you got to sort of just like realize how lucky you are, like, and I know that's what I'm good at, like I know how lucky I am, like, i'm super like, like, so lucky that Mark called me. Like I could have, when I was younger, boxing and surfing and stuff like that. I used to regret, oh, what happens if I kept on boxing and stuff like that. But then I wouldn't have like gone down that stage, wouldn't have had Mark call me, i wouldn't have you know, had you know five calling out of goals and had people watch me do that and stuff like that. So everything sort of happens for a reason and, um, just sort of enjoy what you're doing. But and then just, yeah, obviously I think sport like and exercise helps everything. Like I think everyone should exercise and, like you said, you don't have to do it in a group, like you don't have to be with you know 10 other people doing like a group gym session or whatever. Go out and go for some runs by yourself. Yeah, like you feel so much better and just like digesting everything in your head. Speaker 1: Um, for me, that's why I think I'm so addicted to it, because, like, i ran for a couple years without an iPod or anything like. I'd run through that 30k just in my own thoughts and I just think about things, i think about the plan, i think about this and that's how I'm going to get here and that's what's like just like the future of like steps I need to take to achieve like what I want to achieve. That's intense because all of a sudden you're running. You just want to like like walk someone, yeah, but it's like the way of like, sort of like digesting it. But yeah, just like I don't know, every, yeah, everyone has their own sort of like tough things in life. You just got to, um, yeah, just, i don't know, we're pretty fortunate, like you said, like, and I say to her he's my mate, he's like, oh, you know, um complaining about something. Like, mate, you got two arms and two legs. People would buddy kill for two arms and two legs. Speaker 1: Like yeah, 100% enjoy like go out and what do you don't be soft kind of thing, yeah just enjoy and make the most so for everyone listening. Speaker 3: Definitely I'm going to check out these old uh give feedback, but I'm keen, to keen to try them. But I'll have the links for the Dr Hydrate stuff where you can find and follow Kane and all the insane stuff he's doing. Even if you just want to watch a dude jumping out of a plane, it's quite therapeutic. It's scary as shit, but therapeutic. All the links are in the show notes for whatever you're watching and if you enjoyed the episode, leave a rating review Kane. Thanks so much for your time, mate, perfect it's easy. Speaker 3: Nice to have me thank you for listening to the man that cam project podcast. My name is Locky Stuart and I hope you enjoyed this episode and found it helpful. 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